Where did all you Hillary supporters come from?

[mudesi]

I remember back when DU had the fun run that the majority here are liberals who supported Kucinich. Have you people been hiding out in other parts of the message board?

I would never have imagined seeing this much support here for the most conservative and corporate candidate. And a member of the DLC, no less. I thought most people loathed Hillary Clinton on this site since most people here loathe the DLC.

[rug]

1. I've been reading your posts.

[Maddy McCall]

2. We're paid to post here.

I spent six years at DU racking up 30,000 posts in anticipation of this moment.

Drat! My cover is blown.

[truedelphi]

3. Hmmm. I thought that you had to have at least 31,000

If not 32.

;-)

[Hawkeye-X]

10. You're a paid operative?

Damn! I need to find a sugar daddy and have him PAY me to post here :)

:hug:

Hawkeye-X

[Blue-Jay]

12. D'oh!

I was going to use that rationale for the inevitable copycat thread.

Damn you, Maddy!

:D

[Maddy McCall]

25. Go for it!

We work together anyway, right?

:rofl:

[Eurobabe]

13. and I just spent one nanosecond putting your ass on my ignore list

Bye!

[Maddy McCall]

20. Woot Woot!

I get bonus points for every Obamite who says publicly that they're putting me on ignore.

Thanks! You've helped me get a little closer to the top prize--a red, white, n' blue Hummer!

[SaveOurDemocracy]

80. Don't you love how they announce they are adding

you to ignore ... like you'd actually give a flyin fuck? I picture them tossing their hair and stomping off like some damn drama queen.

[QC]

91. It really does have a certain Norma Desmond quality, doesn;t it? n/t

[SaveOurDemocracy]

93. exactly!

:hi:

[QC]

97. I'm ready for my closeup, Mr. DeMille.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

115. LOLLLLLL

:pals:

[Maddy McCall]

128. LOL!

[LostinVA]

190. You better not beat me to the Hummer!

Oh well, there's always the bonus points towards the trip to Cancun, every time someone calls me a racist.

[mondo joe]

45. Add me to your ignore list too please.

Thanks! :hi:

[OzarkDem]

95. Me, too!

:D

[avrdream]

176. Me tooooooooo!

I haven't come out of the woodworks, though. I have been here, supporting HRC, all along.

I support the candidate with details.

[Hoof Hearted]

162. I would be PROUD to be on your igonre list.

I hope i can achieve that ideal.

[Bluebear]

178. Put my "ass" on your list too! Thanks!

[ronnykmarshall]

46. I know huh?

Years and years of posting down the tubes. O' that ever so wise Freebird singer. :eyes:

[rodeodance]

47. dang it--I forgot to sign up for a check. Will do pronto!

sarcasm

[terrya]

49. Paid quite handsomely, I might add.

Lifestyles of the rich and famous, baby.

God, some of the threads around here. :eyes:

[BootinUp]

51. Yep

and I thought 18000 would be enough to sneak under the radar, lol.

[terrya]

57. I have almost 40,000 posts...and I was a moderator 3 times.

Wow, am I good at staying hidden or what? :-)

[BootinUp]

69. You should be in the CIA or somethin' :-)

[UALRBSofL]

71. you have 40,000 posts?

WHat's your secret? Are you a paid DUer??? :)

[terrya]

73. Almost 40,000

Yes...I'm paid. Shhhhhh. :-)

[NMDemDist2]

155. I'm not paid, but check my post count friend

and I only moderated once and you got here 6 months before me

:hide:

damn!

[LostinVA]

191. No way -- that's when your cover gets blown

I didn't get called a troll until after 30,000 posts, by a troll with less than 100 posts, btw. Now, I get called a troll fairly regularly.

[KoKo]

145. Subtle...

but...:rofl:

[Hoof Hearted]

161. Maddy, you ROCK. That is all. n/t

[littlebit]

4. I have been here

reading everyones posts. I am a pretty quiet person.

[jkshaw]

30. I learned a couple of weeks ago that it doesn't pay to be

quiet, littlebit. I posted a comment on a post, a comment that someone didn't like and he gave me a snarky "Welcome to DU" as if I'd hopped over here from the Free Republic. In this case, I was judged by the number of my comments. But those few comments stretched over four years -- he or she assumed I'd just come aboard. There are people here, unfortunately, who like to parade their witty, sarcastic comments rather than post anything substantive. A quick snark and then, quick! post it up on the board! It's no wonder there are so many odd-ball spellings and upside-down terms on this board.

[NMMNG]

5. Kucinich dropped out.

Then Edwards dropped out.

I never liked HRC but I never loathed her either. :shrug:

[_Wayne_]

6. The ex-Naderite Huffington loons saturate DU with their nonsense WAY more than Hillary's fans

[avrdream]

182. Seriously!

Huff Post is friggin' scary these days.

[zalinda]

7. I like her and her supporters better

than Obama and his supporters.

zalinda

[jackson_dem]

8. Many of us switched to her after Edwards dropped out

Yes, I too am shocked the most conservative candidate Barack Obama has 75% support here.

[Hawkeye-X]

17. Oh, PLEASE. Provide solid evidence NOW, jackson_dem

Please PROVIDE proof that Obama is more conservative than Hillary. I DARE YOU!

I've already posted evidence that Obama is not a corporatist, not even a DLC, and you just ignore me, and still continue to spout gibberish that is so truly qualifying of a website that must not be named.

If you cannot provide proof, then you're already full of shit.

Hawkeye-X

[jackson_dem]

28. You found the elusive issue on which Obama disagrees with the DLC?

Can you share it with the world because no one has seen it from you or anyone else?

Obama is not for universal health care. He is more conservative on that vital issue. On what issues is he more liberal?

He isn't a corporatist even though he has gotten more corporate dough than Giuliani, Romney, and McCain as I proved and you ignored?

You are the epitome of a kool aid drinker. You ignore any evidence that debunks your kool aid beliefs, like your debunked bs about Obama winning Latinos from yesterday. :rofl:

[Hawkeye-X]

31. Cough. I see you are running around on my question....

As usual, all fluff and no substance for you or your candidate, Clinton.

Here, have a candy bar, and go sit in a corner.

[jackson_dem]

38. As usual Hawkeyex can't provide any facts to support his kool aid created beliefs

[miceelf]

124. LOL

We're comparing him to Clinton, not to Romney. Clinton has far more corporate support than Obama.

[Name removed]

9. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[gaspee]

34. Sure, you keep believing that

Anyone who doesn't support Obama is an enemy. And people wonder why some people consider the Obama people cultists.

Because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't make them a conservative plant.

Unbelievable.

I don't think Clinton and Obama are far enough apart on the issues for this type of divide. I don't plan on voting for either of them, but I'm sick to death of the attacks on Clinton.

[RememberWellstone]

137. Me too.

They think this is a game of some sort. Hillary has paid her dues, Obama has not..he is a wave and not a movement. Hillary will get the job, we just do not know what Obama will do. No way to tell.

[Eurobabe]

11. What is so weird, there are HRC supporters on here from 2001

DU used to be so progressive. :wtf: happened?

When I went through my ignore list to see who had been TS'd, I was shocked at how many of them (present HillBOTS) joined DU in from 2003-2004. I had a friend who used to post alot on here and he left last year, said that DU had become too centrist for him. He was a Clark supporter.

[msongs]

19. what happened? the progressive candidates dropped out leaving ObamaHillary the

war supporters.

Msongs

[jasmine621]

14. Maye we have been here since the good ol'e days of Bill Clinton.

Or maybe we just don't like the unfair and uncalled-for Hillary hate we see some folks here and most folks in the media spew out against Hillary.

We should be asking where the hell did all these Obama supporters come from and who is he anyway?

[calico1]

35. My feelings exactly. n/t

[Pathwalker]

15. I've been here for years, but am now a "paid Hillary shill"

according to no less than three Newbies with barely three hundred posts between them. Typical slanders, slurs and insults from the Unity candidate's supporters. I would never make the same assumptions about his supporters, though.

[KoKo]

148. But....but....you MUST BE ...One of those Dreaded BOOMERS!!!!

No? Then obviously you are "off your meds." ;-)'s

[KoKo]

149. delete...

[Pathwalker]

198. Well, it's true - I am a Boomer. But at least "my panties

aren't in a wad, or a bunch!" :rofl: :hi:

[goodgd_yall]

16. Former Edwards supporter, now Hillary supporter n/t

[Captain Hilts]

32. Former Clark, Richardson, Biden supporter now a Hillary supporter. nt

[rodeodance]

81. me-edwards, richardson,

[Captain Hilts]

153. I'm STILL surprised at what a bad candidate Richardson was. I never thought I'd like...

Biden, but his foreign policy experience and his plans to end the war were very good.

Hell, I'm voting for HRC now because of foreign policy.

[Sapphocrat]

103. Kooch to Edwards to Clinton. n/t

[goodgd_yall]

117. Yeah, that fits

I supported Kooch before Edwards and then made my way to Hillary.

[pbca]

18. There aren't really that many

I've been putting them on ignore as I come across them. Right now there are about 40 on the list and already DU is quieter, more reasonable, and more peacful - I think it's just a few really who post alot.

[tandem5]

24. add me to your list!

[AZ Criminal JD]

33. Add me too

I now know why people are attracted to someone like Obama who can't debate. They don't want to have any either.

[Raejeanowl]

36. You're Putting All Hillary Supporters On Ignore?

How very democratic and progressive of you.

[pbca]

64. It's not as if I'm taking away their vote

But I think the HRC campaign is done and prefer to focus on Obama / McCain

Plus the long this goes on the nastier they become, so rather than argue with them or fight their petty insults with more of the same I just push a button.

Thanks to everyone who volunteered for the list.

[MediaBabe]

120. Don't forget me

I know I'm a newbee but you can still ignore me.

I *heart* Hillary

[ProudToBeLiberal]

40. add me on your ignore list please. n/t

[ronnykmarshall]

42. Make sure to add me too your fucking list too.

[Maddy McCall]

43. Add me!

I get bonus points when someone publicly puts me on ignore! Add me too.

[mondo joe]

48. Add me please.

[terrya]

50. Better push the ignore button again.

My, that ignore list of yours must be getting really long by now.

[GCP]

52. Here's another one you can put on your ignore list

:hi:
You can have a really democratic time with yourself.

[Pathwalker]

53. Me too! Don't forget me!

So glad to see you hate democracy - such a uniter you've got there! :rofl:

[MonkeyFunk]

55. You automatically ignore Clinton supporters?

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Why would you even go to a political website?

[mondo joe]

63. How else do you think they're going to acheive UNITY but to eliminate anyone

who disagrees - or at least eliminate the appearance of disagreement.

[NMMNG]

70. That's the basic plan

They convert anybody they can via the HOPE and CHANGE mantra.

They try to browbeat into compliance anybody who isn't susceptible to that.

All others are ignored as "insignificant" to give the illusion that everybody loooooooves Obama.

[mondo joe]

90. The Obama people have helped me understand they don't need my vote.

With all the outreach Obama is doing, I'm sure the trade off will be worth it to him.

[NMMNG]

94. Agreed

I've been told that I'm marginal, irrelevant, old, uneducated, afraid of change, and a whole host of other nasty things. So to hell with them. Why would they want a vote from a person like me?

[Riley133]

156. You've said it perfectly. Thank you. nt

[hfojvt]

136. the basic problem is that too many DU posts

are very low in substance and very high in mean-spiritedness. For example, is there really any point to posts 33, 40, 42, 43, 48, 50, 52, 53 and 120. Just a crowd of Hillary supporters chiming in to basically say "FU2".

What is puzzling to me is how fast the Obama hate seems to have grown. I can understand that Hillary supporters might like her better than Obama, but it's puzzling to see that so many of them seem to detest Obama. It's a full grown tree of hate that sprang up in a few months to a Redwood tree size.

Of course, I have a wall of hatred against Hillary that began in 1992 against Bill. Every time he betrayed progressives in his eight years added another brick to the wall. Since running for the Senate in New York, Hillary has added to that wall with her stance on the Iraq war and then with her campaign.

Troubling too, that the hatred of Obama seems to spill onto Obama supporters as well. I know there are many Obama supporters doing the same thing. It's hard for me to tell who started the fire though with so many DUers walking around with flamethrowers ready to post another "fu$% off" post against another DUer. I feel like a father driving a car. At this point, I don't really care who started it. Both of you can knock it the fu$% off!

Not you, personally, just all the haters posting "FU" posts, although your own post was a broadside against Obama supporters.

[MonkeyFunk]

139. somebody

who posts that they just automatically put the supporters of ANY candidate CAN go fuck off. It's ridiculously stupid.

[TexasObserver]

141. Good post. It's difficult to disengage, and it's difficult to ignore insults.

I try to keep it inbounds, maybe throw an elbow now and then.

[springhill]

169. Oh man that is really funny!

The hate for all things Clinton has been a constant and has dominated the posts on this board for awhile now.

[MediaBabe]

122. A Uniter just like George Bush

Frightening they think they can convert us to Obama's side by using Bush tactics, isn't it. That's just what we need - four years dividing the party then handing the White House back to the republicans because of it. No good.

Hillary for me.

[rodeodance]

193. Its become so evident they live in their own world.

[NMMNG]

61. Feel free to add me

[Reterr]

67. How do you know there aren't that many?

Are you relying on the completely unscientific polls that are posted here every other day? Maybe some of us are at work during the day and don't get to vote in every poll posted on DU :shrug:?

I have been here more than a year and I haven't broken a 1000 posts yet. I see people who signed up last week and have 3000 posts.

[pbca]

72. It's not scientific

I know because after I put 30 people on ignore the number of Hillary posts dropped to amost zero. That number is now at 52 and I haven't seen a Hillary post all day.

[Reterr]

75. If I put 52 Obama supporters on ignore I wouldn't see any pro-Obama posts either.eom

[QC]

74. LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!!!

[UALRBSofL]

76. pbca

add me to your list.

[LizW]

79. Me, too! Purge me, too! n/t

[SaveOurDemocracy]

83. Afraid some reality might slip through the Obama-fog?

Way to put on the blinders. Add me too. :dunce:

[pbca]

84. Nope

Just tired of arguing over something that I see as over.

[OzarkDem]

96. Woo-hoo! Me, too!

[crispini]

98. oh good lord

:eyes:

[Sapphocrat]

101. Put me on your ignore list. n/t

[nonconformist]

105. How cult of you.

Block all dissent. Nice. Xenu would be proud.

Feel free to add me to your "suppressive persons" list, if I'm not already on there.

[Enrique]

112. you can have a nice little bubble of your own

you can continue to pretend that "no one likes Hillary". Have fun, it was nice knowing you! :hi:

[goodgd_yall]

119. Don't forget me! n/t

[Hav]

121. Wow....

This must be close to the record for the most replies a person ever received;).

[rodeodance]

160. SWOON me baby!

[DemExpat]

184. Add ME to your proud list!

Been here since the early days, have moderated for multiple terms, .........just hiding out for YEARS here....:rofl:

:thumbsdown: :puke:

DemEx

[LostinVA]

192. Add me!

I get bonus points.

[RandomKoolzip]

207. Shit, I'm an Obama supporter but you can put me on your goddamn list too.

Automatically ignoring Clintonites? Uh, in case you haven't noticed, a wide swath of BOTH sides are acting like a bunch of foamy-mouthed dickweasels right now. I'd prefer Obama as president, but that doesn't mean my mind can't be changed. Remember, "resoluteness" got us INTO this bullshit in the first place.



I'll gladly accept an ignore from you out of solidarity with my Dem sisters and brothers with open minds and hearts.

EITHER DEM '08!

[hulklogan]

211. Can I be added too?

I don't really support Senator Clinton but I like to follow the crowd.

[DJ13]

21. RNC?

:shrug:
:sarcasm:

[dailykoff]

22. Check the expiration dates.

Lots of new talking pointers.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

23. I support Kucinich

and I'm still around. I would urge all who helped him win the Fun Run to support his congressional race:

http://www.kucinich.us

He's got a man boosted by corporations who doesn't even live in the district running against him who has a lot of money backing him. Dennis needs our help!

[billyoc]

26. Like it or not, Sen. Clinton does inspire fierce loyalty. nt

[gaspee]

27. Guess you can count me in

Even though I don't plan on voting for her.

Former Edwards supporter, now defender against scurrilous charges against Senator Clinton from the rabid "unity" of the Obama supporters.

I'm still voting Edwards but am sick to death of the attacks on Senator Clinton and will not sit idly by while she is attacked by liars and Obama supporters.

The more she is attacked the closer I come to voting for her.

I will never, ever, ever, ever vote Obama after the so-called unity candidate used the unity of African American Evangelicals to throw LGBTQ under the bus and start his "momentum." Funny how that happened right after his preaching and his campaign sponsored gospel ex-gay tour of AA Evangelical churches in South Carolina. Guess he spoke their language. Hey, "Queers are EVIL" worked for the GOP, why not the unity candidate?

[onehandle]

29. Edwards was #1 here (and probably still is) for months before he dropped out.

Did you fail to notice that too?

[BlackVelvet04]

37. Where did I come from?

I was an Edwards supporter...sort of reluctantly, but I liked his populist message. Hillary was my second choice.

At the beginning of the primary season, I watched and listened to Obama carefully. I read articles about him. I read parts of his book. And I came to the conclusion that he is as fake as george bush.

So, when Edwards dropped out I realized that Hillary was the person I really want to see as president. Her healthcare program is by far superior to Obama's and her green collar jobs plan is excellent.

I don't do groupie...not now, not ever. I find Obama's supporters to be irrational and an embarrassment to the Democratic party.

[ellisonz]

39. What happens with these posts is that the quiet ones...

...who aren't part of the problem always chime in with "how dare you's" while the really obnoxious ones are still trolling away.

Although a certain parody did chime in above...

http://www.hillaryis44.org/

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

62. Ding.

[Marie26]

41. The Clinton campaign's paying me 5 bucks a post

Pretty good deal if you can get it.

[rodeodance]

44. my mother's womb

[BootinUp]

54. Sorry, I guess we leave a bad taste

in your mouth similar to what you do for us. Who'd have thunk it?

[mondo joe]

56. The entire point of a campaign is to bring people into your camp. That's what happened.

Here we are.

[paperbag_ princess]

58. I started lurking in 2003 ...

and became a full time reader..

I just joined because I was upset at all the Hillary bashing and the general lack of support. I was in college when Bill beat Bush senior...I have a soft spot in my heart for them....that is when I fell in love with politics.

I am moderate in some areas...but pretty progressive in social issues

but I am a loyal dem to be sure..

[Maddy McCall]

59. Welcome to DU, princess.

:toast:

[incapsulated]

60. Where the hell do YOU come from?

I've been here for years, who are you to question us?

You think it's odd I support Hillary, I think it's fucking strange the same people who wanted someone who would "grow a spine" and "fight the fascist repukes" suddenly want a love in with them and are talking unicorns and rainbows.

Search back on my posts and you will find me slamming my candidate before I supported her.

Know why?

Because I'm capable of critical thought, don't deify politicians and vote with my head not my "feelings" for the latest rock star.

[Iceburg]

204. LOL ..."talking unicorns and rainbows." -- touche /nt

[Reterr]

65. Some of us remember what the 90s were actually like

I came of age (politically) in the 90s. I saw repeated bullshit attacks on a president, who with all his faults, was a far superior choice to the Rethuglican alternative of the day.

Some of us (and I am not even 30 go figure) remember the "Gingrich revolution". Some of us remember Ken Starr/the Blue Dress-the complete bullshit that was the "opposition politics" of the 90s.
The no-substance-all-fluff garbage that passes for political discourse these days has its roots in the Gingrich Revolution of the 90s.

Most importantly, despite the more substantive accusations leveled at the Clintons for Nafta/Doma etc. (and I disagreed with many, many of Bill's policies myself), I remember that he was working with a lousy Republican congress. He was working under circumstances that would have daunted the most progressive Dem you can find anywhere. In that climate, he still managed to accomplish a lot (look at some of the environmental legislation he and Gore managed to get passed in that climate).

When I see the baseless, visceral hatred leveled at Hillary from the right and the left, I get "polarized" if you will toward the people-i.e. the Clintons- who at least have a record of standing up to the right wing as best as could be done under the circumstances.

Yes, I know-as a former Kucinich-turned-Edwards-turned Clinton supporter, I know all of the issues people on the more leftist wing of the party have with Clinton. I still think, they have often done the best they could do under the circumstances. More importantly, I don't see Obama being any different than Clinton on substantive issues necessarily.

I see no reason to support Obama over Clinton. I strongly dislike the McClurkin/Fundie part of his base-they exist and there is no denying it.
I dislike the "post-partisanship" rhetoric.
If he is the Dem nominee, I will vote for him. But my first choice at this point is the candidate who at least has a long history of standing up to the RW (no I am sorry-nothing will convince there is a secret Bush-Clinton partnership no matter how many pics you post of Hillary smiling at or shaking hands with Bush). And unlike the Obama supporters, I don't think my candidate is perfect-far, far from it. But, at the end of the day I realize NO politician is or ever will be-they are politicians get it? They are trying to get your vote. They will say or do anything for it mostly. I am sure JFK was a mere mortal with lots of faults. Some of us find this the most nauseating thing about the Obama campaign's desire for a perfect "hero".

[Straight Shooter]

66. I used to post a lot, then started lurking, and became visible due to Hillary bashing.

My first choice was Dodd because he was so vocal and active about defending the Constitution. When he dropped out, I wavered between Edwards and Clinton. I just figured the Clinton supporters needed someone else in the trenches with them, so when Edwards dropped out, I decided to fully support Hillary.

I'm a pragmatist by nature, and preacher-style rhetoric doesn't sway me. In fact, it repels me. Since there is little difference policy-wise between the two candidates, and because I believe Obama is more of a manufactured candidate than Hillary, I choose her.

By the way, there's nothing wrong in agreeing with certain conservative positions if it's realistic, tempered conservatism and not the bonkers type introduced by Reagan and made a caricature of by bush. I know a lot of conservatives with whom I get along quite well. They recognize bush for what he is.

[butterfly77]

68. I have been here for years and ...

I know how to look and listen at candidates for myself and not let the media tell me who to vote for. I was a former Clark and Biden supporter who happens to think that Hillary is the best choice..

[UALRBSofL]

77. Oh, I like Biden too

Very much the statesman of congress. :)

[HooptieWagon]

78. No worries, they're in their death throes. n/t

[LizW]

82. Death talk

This is the third "death" post I've read in 10 minutes at the computer. What is WITH you people???

[SaveOurDemocracy]

88. They are Born-Again Dems. n/t

[rug]

107. It is the way of the Sith.

[mondo joe]

92. Honey, we have been here for many years before you turned up. We'll be here when you're gone

too.

[LizW]

100. Well, my friend, that may be true.

I've been here since some time during the run-up to the war. I've seen a lot, and not much phases me, but seeing glib imagery of violence against women still does. Here at DU, it still does.

[mondo joe]

102. Are you sure you meant that in response to ME?

I'm not one of the death-talkers.

I'm one of "the Hillary people" they're talking about.

[LizW]

108. Argh. I'm sorry!

I thought you were talking to me!

Sorry! :hug:

[mondo joe]

109. No problem. Glad we straightened it out.

Those are about the last people I want to be confused with.

:pals:

[NMMNG]

171. Wouldn't you like everyone you don't like to just die and go away?

That would make it nice and convenient for you, wouldn't it?

[donheld]

85. Uranus

[theHandpuppet]

86. I'm from West Virginia. Where y'all from?

Been here at DU since 2002. Nearly 9000 posts. If you ain't seen me, you ain't been lookin'. Course, we ignorant old women down here at the trailer park just discovered thet internet thang so up til now I had to send all my thoughts usin' my psychic ablities. Worked pretty dang well if I do say so myself. So fer the life of me I can't see why anyone needs one a these new-fangled keyboard doodads.


:sarcasm:

[Iceburg]

87. You think this is bad matey ...wait til you get to Ohio. We are everywhere/nt

[TexasObserver]

89. Allow me to say something in defense of where these Clintonians came from.

They likely came from the same place I did - lurkers who for one reason or another finally decided to join and jump in. Isn't it to be expected that a site that is about Democratic politics will draw the most new members when the primary season starts?

I'll tell my story, and in doing so, will probably be telling the story that applies to many new posters, all of whom universally resent the constant arrogance and accusations of those here who have anywhere from 5 weeks to 5 years as a DU member.

We aren't campaign operatives. We aren't from some Republican site. We aren't paid to post. We are Democrats who decided to post here, probably because this is what the whole thing is all about. It's not just election year, it's presidential election year, and we're probably going to finally get rid of the Bush madness and get a Democrat in the White House. I'm not new to the Democratic party. I can assure all who read that I have the bona fides to approach any Democratic politician in the country, and get an introduction if I need or want one.

A year ago, when it looked to be a three person race among Edwards, Clinton and Obama, I checked out Kos and checked out DU. I found Kos not to be of my liking. It took a while, but I finally got accustomed to the thread format here, and found it easy to navigate. I never read any of the boards except GD and GDP. I mainly read GD, in fact, as there was considerable repetition.

Then several things happened. DU started with those ads that you only see if you're not a member. They were big, annoying, and intrusive. Also, all the primary threads were mandated to the GDP board, so that created this massive crush of posters and topics, and suddenly GDP was the board that would disappear a new thread in 30 minutes. With the beginning of the primaries, madness here ensued.

It became impossible for a lurker to put up with it, not having Hide Thread or Ignore. Every time I opened the GDP, I saw threads by some guy who loves Lee Greenwood, apparently. I saw a host of such virulent spam kings and queens, flooding the board with disgusting things. MODS and ADMINS clearly could not stop it all because of traffic, and said to members USE YOUR IGNORE AND HIDE THREAD.

About the same time, I had a medical problem occur that has confined me to home and limited my ability to even use the telephone. I can watch the news, I can read online, and I can type my thoughts on politics, which I have loved since 1960. I can't work on most of normal work right now, so why shouldn't I post here 12 hours a day while I watch political coverage on TV?

There are probably some real ringers here, but most of the posters here, even the most outrageous ones, are just people unleashing whatever they have inside them. I swore I wasn't going to get dragged into the mire with those who consistently try to insult new posters, drag them into fight, and then try to get them banned. But it's hard to ignore the instant and harsh personal attacks so many of them employ. I decided it's best to IGNORE anyone who is looking for a fight. Anyone who starts in with the newbie nonsense, the accusations that I'm some paid operative, or some R flunkie, or who prattles about my post count and what that means to them - all get dumped in the grease pit immediately. I can't read all the posts anyway, so why read the people who have nothing to say?

Thanks for reading, if you have.

[WillyT]

99. I Have... And It Was Great !!!

I've been here for a long time, and stayed totally in GD until we got pushed over here.

Ah well...

And I think you speak eloquently for many here. I think the ringers are at an absolute minimum, and I believe there's not only a whole lot of pent up anger and frustration, but also a whole lot of hopes and fears riding on this election.

The thick skin needed for this board, may not be enough in the months to come I fear.

:shrug:

[TexasObserver]

110. That's why I think it's more important to disengage from bad encounters rather than continue them.

We're going to have an end to the primary run, and we will have a nominee. The deeper the wounds we have now, the longer it takes to heal them. Paper cuts we can survive. Cuts to bone are harder to overcome.

[Name removed]

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[Maddy McCall]

126. Insane.

Simply deluded and insane.

:tinfoilhat:

[dailykoff]

129. Haven't seen the tinfoil smiley in quite some time.

Is the well that dry?

[Maddy McCall]

131. No, but since you're convinced that DOD and CIA operatives are posting at DU...

I thought you might need it.

[dailykoff]

134. You left out the DHS

the multi-trillion dollar Department of Halliburton Security.

[Maddy McCall]

135. Here ya go.

[LostinVA]

194. WTF? -- This is the sort of stuff I miss watching Nazi movies with Haruka?

[nonconformist]

104. I've been here far, far longer than YOU have.

Hillary wasn't my first choice, that was Edwards.

I had to chose between Hillary and Obama, and I chose Hillary.

And you have that backward - in this case, Obama is the more conservative candidate. Look at his base.

[Enrique]

111. the DU bubble has burst

maybe it was the endorsements for Hillary from people like Tammy Baldwin and Lynn Woolsey that burst the delusion that it's impossible for a progressive to support Hillary. As for me, if I wasn't supporting Hillary it would be for Kucinich.

[OzarkDem]

113. From outer space (pic)

All your government belong to us...

[LadyVT]

114. A tremendously liberal town in California

[rug]

118. This thread is turning into a Custer joke.

[Alexander]

123. *cough* *cough* sockpuppets *cough* *cough*

[Maddy McCall]

130. Well, the most recent sockpuppet who got TS'd was an Obama supporter.

[Alexander]

140. About a dozen Hillary supporters get TS'ed every week. Your point?

Did you already forget KennedyGuy and Proud2BAmurkin?

[Maddy McCall]

150. My point? That supporters of both candidates get tombstoned.

[Alexander]

206. My point is that there is likely a disparity in who gets tombstoned.

Particularly since most of the spamming and hateful threads come from supporters of Hillary Clinton.

[LostinVA]

196. Au revoir le chat?

[northzax]

125. I, petsonally

have been a Hillary supporter since I volunteered for her in 2000, just a few months before I joined this here board. You?

[LWolf]

127. As a confirmed Kucinich supporter and liberal,

I think it's safe to say that Hillary gained more supporters, just as Obama did, when everyone dropped out.

I am a supporter of neither. I don't consider either of them to be "liberal," but if I were looking for the most liberal of the two, it would have to be HRC. The DLC candidate.

That's probably why she's able to pull some support here at DU, where the majority didn't support EITHER of the two left.

[NashVegas]

132. I Used to Be an Edwards Voter

Then I was forced to pare down again.

[bigtree]

133. I just can't make myself get next to all of these republicans Obama's sidling up to

some progressive . . . :eyes:

[ErnestoG]

147. As opposed to all those GOPers Hillary enabled in Congress?

Yeah...rolling eyes indeed.

[Reterr]

172. How did you make 1993 posts in less than a month?

And we Hillary supporters are the fake DUers :eyes:.

[ErnestoG]

174. By typing?

It's not that hard.

[davsand]

138. Lots of names on here I recognize.

Hell, if I'd had any idea I could get PAID for this stuff I'd have fallen into a different camp! Trust me to pick the one that expects me to give it away!

Guys, this is a Primary. It is how a party starts to define its platform and it can sometimes be about as much fun as Thanksgiving with your drunk Uncle Asswipe (Pronounced As-vee-pay.) It is, however, sorta required attendance if you want to claim to be a Parisian. There is a lot of crap flying round right now (and yes--I do it too) but when this is over we all need to rally round whoever the nominee is. We must hang together because we will most certainly hang separately (Franklin really did say that, according to the history books, and by golly he's still valid.)

I just don't have the stomach to be pissed off at most of you just because we maybe didn't vote the same way in a Primary. I dunno how may of your realize it, but I have even worked on the opposing Primary campaign against a candidate worked by my husband and we are still married. Trust me on this--a Primary is NOT a reason to kill each other.

Carry on.


Laura

[mdmc]

142. In real life I am known as a HRC supporter

But all Dems in this area are, except the real courageous one that supported Kucinich, Edwards, and Obama.
This is Joementum country.

[jillan]

143. Out of the two that are left, she is the one that gives me hope for the future.

[sueragingroz]

144. It's not about Hillary

It's about how you guys are being Roved over an unvetted candidate.

Of course we'd all love Kuchinich. But that isn't very realistic at this point now is it?

[ErnestoG]

152. Hillary thinks its about Hillary. Thats why she gets weepy.

[nonconformist]

164. Obama thinks this is ALL about Obama.

Even saying that he will get her voters, but she won't get his. His wife says that if Obama loses, she will have to think about whether to support Clinton.

Not about the party, or the country. All about Obama. He's going to SAVE THE WORLD, PRAISE HIM!

[ErnestoG]

175. "Even saying that he will get her voters, but she won't get his"

Why do you Hillars lie so much?

Obama never said that at all. He said he couldn't guarantee where his supporters would go, and that's absolutely true. No one can tell a person who to vote for.

Tell you what...try telling the TRUTH some time and maybe you can become an Obama supporter.

[nonconformist]

181. You mean I too can be saved?!

Hallelujah!

The exact quote

"I am confident I will get her votes if I'm the nominee," Obama stressed. "It's not clear she would get the votes I got if she were the nominee."

[butterfly77]

209. That about says it...

[dogman]

146. It came down to a choice, Clinton or Obama.

Since Obama had disappointed me as my Senator, by failing to fulfill the hope and change he had presented as a Senate candidate, I was left with Clinton. She was not my first choice, but the M$M eliminated any other possibilities. They want to sell a story, not help cure the country's ills. Wait until they are done with Obama and give us President McCrazy.

[Skip Intro]

151. I've been a Hillary fan since the 90s. Thing is, once you see through the smileyface shunshine veil

that surround Obama, and analyze the politicans and the policies, well, I don't see how anyone comes out of that and thinks he would make a better president than Hillary.

[KoKo]

154. On "Substance" you can get where she's coming from....but the

"Hope for Change" is a hard meme to overcome for folks beaten down by a fascist government.

Therein...is the worry...

I don't know which one...I'm torn. My candidates are gone. In the wilderness. But, on substance...I know her better that the "unknown." And know it will take Obama (no matter how well-intentioned he is) too long to "get up to speed" to deal with what the Bushies have left us and what they will DO if he wins. Indeed what they will do if Clinton II comes in. But, the Bushies want us to be sooooo AFRAID...we will be cowered... They will do whatever it takes....... Someone strong enough who knows what they are dealing with is what we want. I don't know that Clinton II won't be "embedded" with Bushies...nor, do I know that Obama I won't be the same....

I do feel Kucinich wouldn't have been...maybe not Edwards, either. And, Gore seemed to have "SPLIT" from all of it. But those aren't choices I have. And, I can't vote until May.

[Skip Intro]

157. But "Hope and Change" are rarely defined, and in a vague manner even then.

Hard to believe a couple of Hallmark cliches could sway so many.

Who's behind him, tho, is the question.

[creeksneakers2]

158. I saw it the same way you did

Very few spoke for Hillary at first. I think Hillary supporters are less fanatical and therefore quieter than the supporters of other candidates.

The attacks on Hillary were frequent and became too much to stand. When a few started fighting back others joined in. There was a definite moment when it all changed.

Hillary supporters are still in the minority but some are very productive. That's great because Hillary is a Democrat and a good liberal and it was sickening to see this wonderful site turned into a hate Hillary billboard.

I defended the Clintons from wingnuts on AOL back in the 90s. I was saddened to see some of the same type of attacks here coming from the left. I was a Dodd supporter back when he was still in the race but I've defended Hillary here from unfair attacks. Its gotten to be a habit.

[TexasObserver]

159. K&R

[NoodleyAppendage]

163. HILLARY HEADQUARTERS. Many are plants tasked to steer the grassroots their way...

I'm an old DU user as well, and you are correct. These boards were never so friendly to Hillary until just after her 3rd place finish in the Iowa primary. After which, I'm fairly certain the site was innundated with plants tasked to steer and persuade the grassroots to get behind Hillary.

J

[MonkeyFunk]

165. There were 8 candidates.

People were dispersed among them. Now we're down to 2, so naturally more people have gotten behind Clinton.

your notion that we're paid shills from the Clinton campaign is nonsensical, and a violation of the rules. Frankly, this whole thread is a violation of the rules, and I'm at a total loss to understand why it's been allowed to stay here this long.

[NoodleyAppendage]

166. Since when did Hillary ever respect the "rules?"

I seem to remember an agreement not to be on the ballot in MI. Then, I also remember her agreement that FL wouldn't count. But, now that her slimy back is against the wall, she's willing to CHEAT and STEAL for those delegates in FL and MI.

J

[MonkeyFunk]

168. Then you're ignorant

There was no agreement not to be on the ballot in Michigan. There was an agreement not to campaign there, though, and only one candidate broke that pledge - Dennis Kucinich.

The only pledge she signed regarding Florida was not to campaign there or run ads there. She kept to that pledge. Obama didn't.

But is that really your excuse for breaking the rules? That Hillary does it? What are you, 5?

[ErnestoG]

177. wait, I thought we were "nobodies"?

Get it straight.

[MonkeyFunk]

183. No

I didn't say anything about multiple people, or supporters of a particular candidate.

I said it about one person demanding something of a candidate.

Are you stalking me now?

[Reterr]

170. Don't even bother Monkeyfunk

Only eeevil people support HRC-some people see the world in black and white...:eyes:...
I am glad I am not one of those. Some Obama supporters irritate the hell out of me-but hey you know what? I think at the end of the day a large no. of them are on the same team on most stuff as me.
What is a pity is that some of them are not rational enough to return the compliment. if you support HRC, you MUST have a need to drink the blood of children :eyes:.

[terrya]

186. Just plain out and out batshit insane paranoia.

I support Hillary because...guess what, I agree with her on the issues and like her and support her. I do not work for the Hillary for President campaign, nor am I a "plant to steer the grassroots" or whatever loony tunes nonsense you're trying to peddle. Ordinary Americans support and like her, bub. Try to get used to the concept, ok?

[Renew Deal]

199. There are articles out there about Hillary's campaign paying for blog posts

So I'm sure DU isn't immune to this.

[ruiner4u]

167. They only love Clinton when they remember the 8 years before Bush...

It was Shang-ra-fricking-la then.. But another 8 years of <Hilary> Clinton? EvIL!!!!!!!! ZoMg!!!! LoLz!!!! RawR!

[Alamom]

179. Well that and looking forward to 8-16 years of a Dem in the WH. A possibility with Hillary 08.

Only a misguided HOPE with Obama.


As for the larger argument here, There have always been a lot of us.

As with all else, the other candidate's supporters can't see the forest for the trees.

[mysteryman2]

173. Elect-ability/ He hasn't won the primary yet.

Hillary leads in the heavy est populated states and cities not tiny Caucasus either. A small amount of people won't decide my vote.

[respublicus]

180. Hillary was WAY not my top pick, but in this reality show, she is the least of 3 evils

Yes Kucinich was my candidate.

Obama is a nice guy, but with him as standard bearer, you probably get McCain, or on a long shot, if he somehow squeaks thru, you get his advisers, who are just as bad as the repukelicans.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WarOnFreedom/message/4184

[Perry Logan]

185. I noticed that the threads attacking Hillary tended to be illiterate, ad hominem, and false.

Enough of them, anyway.

[boston bean]

187. I cam from my momma's belly! nt

[TheWebHead]

188. You haven't heard?

This is now Bizarro-DU

[dailykoff]

189. A town called Hopeless

:hi:

[rug]

195. What's the zip code for Clueless?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

197. She's A Great Woman, A Great Candidate, And Would Make A Great President. Not All Of Us Are

closed minded ignoramuses.

[Tom Rinaldo]

200. Been here 3 & 1/2 years longer than you - Just sayin

Clark to Gore To Clinton.

[SPKrazy]

201. So like Obama and his Reagan love

is not indicative of a corporate owned candidate as well?

I see tweedle dee and tweedle dum actually between the two

I will support whoever wins

but until then

I'll just sit back and watch my party eat each other alive

sad, pathetic and all bullshit in my opinion

[vision]

202. I voted in MO for Clinton

I was a Kucinich supporter and had planned on voting for Edwards but he dropped out before Super Tuesday. I had a difficult time deciding who to support because they are both good choices. But I ended up a Hillary voter because I am uncomfortable with all the bipartisan love the Oboma camp has. It seems whenever Dems join with Repubs, we get the sticky end of the stick.

In the primary IMO it should be Democrats the decide our candidate not Republicans and Independents. If they want to become Dems than it is different otherwise they should stay out.

Bottom line I don't trust Republicans. I think Clinton could defeat them. I'm not sure about Oboma. If he is our candidate I will support him. I hope that whomever is elected will fight the Repubs and change the path we are on.

[Catherine Vincent]

203. Who the fuck are you to be asking that question?

I'm not going to say it but take a look at this smiley :hi: .... now pay close attention to that middle finger I'm waving at you.

[shayes51]

205. Well, I was born in Nashville, but I've lived in Alabama

most of my life. That is what you mean, isn't it?

[RiverStone]

208. Actually - ir's about the same --- 78% here support Obama

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4620129&mesg_id=4620129

I just think there are some *very time flexible* passionate Hillary supporters who post tons and are here a lot.

Of course, when more people were running Hillary polled even less support on DU.

[Maribelle]

210. Here.