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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 07:08 PM
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"A Woman in the White House" Jennifer Baumgardner
Jennifer Baumgardner

A Woman in the White House

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I have thought about my mother's dream that her daughters -- and thus women -- would continue to demonstrate that they were as good as men a lot lately, while observing the candidacy of Senator Hillary Clinton. She's not the first woman to run -- from Belva Lockwood (1884 and 1888) to Shirley Chisholm (1972) to Carole Moseley Braun (2004), we've had a handful of women gutsy enough to go for the top job -- but she is by far the most serious contender, as demonstrated by the infrastructure and money she has been able to attract. Like Oprah and Madonna, she has 100 percent name recognition, but unlike them, she has co-written and sponsored important legislation, is a very successful two-term Senator from a huge state, spoke of women's rights as human rights at the Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing in 1995, and blocked the confirmation of the FDA commissioner to protest the long delay in approving Plan B for over-the-counter use. Of most direct benefit to me, she has created by far the most detailed and only truly universal health care proposal now before the voters.

The reasons people give for not supporting her range from her war authorization vote to fear that her husband will dominate the rest of the election cycle or the White House, but what I hear more is the fact that she's just not "electable" because, as some say, wrinkling their noses, "she not likeable." Creating this self-fulfilling prophecy, the media have piled on, chalking up 62 major incidents of egregious misogyny in the last six months, according to a tally of anti-Hillary sexist episodes in the primary campaign compiled by Melissa McEwan (http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2008/02/hillary-sexism-watch.html). As Stan Fish wrote on his New York Times blog (http://fish.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/03/all-you-need-is-hate/), to mention her name is to prompt an archive more of vitriol, most of it reflecting a frightening level of woman-hating.

At my Brooklyn polling place on Super Tuesday, I unambivalently -- proudly! -- voted for Hillary Clinton. As I left the building, I started to cry. I'm often moved by voting, but it was a big deal to me, at age 37, to pull the lever for a woman who so clearly has what it takes. More than that, Senator Clinton has endured the attacks and derision we all know happens when women step out of line. She is becoming a sort of martyr-feminist, putting herself out there at great personal cost to put some reality behind our "free to be...you and me" rhetoric. I spoke with other friends who reported being utterly choked up. "I have devoted 40 years -- practically my entire adult life -- to bringing about this possibility, this fulfillment of what seemed an unattainable dream," an older friend wrote me in an email. "It's hard for me to understand those feminists who are voting for an unknown quantity instead of her, when they have this chance of a lifetime. Especially since the rivals' positions are so similar." Other women reported voting for Obama, then feeling surprised at how happy they were that Hillary did well on Super Tuesday. "I felt it would be selfish to vote for her," another friend told me.

Hillary Clinton is my mother's age. What might it mean for a woman of her generation to achieve what we all assumed would go to her daughter's generation? Sometimes I wonder if the pain of those missed opportunities, of wondering what could have been accomplished if one had simply been selfish or lived in a different time, is behind some of the commitment to making sure we don't have a woman in the White House except as First Lady.

A bitter reality is beginning to sink in for me, a daughter of the Second Wave. Here we are: several generations raised with the mantra that a "woman" could be president, and learning that we don't mean any woman who actually exists.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jennifer-baumgardner/a-woman-in-the-white-hous_b_86845.html
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sueragingroz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 07:26 PM
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1. Brilliant. (K & R)
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 08:05 PM
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3. I thought so too.
:)
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 08:04 PM
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2. I felt similar when I voted for Senator Clinton.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 08:06 PM
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4. Me too. I could not wait to cast my vote for her.
It felt so good.
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 09:03 PM
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5. Kicking
:kick:
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 09:09 PM
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6. "...as demonstrated by the infrastructure and money she has been able to attract"
Infrastructure? She has no ground operation, she just fired half of her staff, and they've blown over $140M since 2006 on consultants and parking. Yeah, she's serious.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 09:12 PM
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9. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We know. Hillary sucks.
:eyes:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 09:49 PM
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12. No, you don't know anything of the kind
..that's your problem.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 09:56 PM
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14. I'm not the one with the problem. You're visceral HATRED of Hillary IS the problem. n/t
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 10:46 PM
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19. Well she's clearly incompetent to manage a budget or a staff.
You don't find that a little worrisome?
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 11:19 AM
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38. No, I find your double standard worrisome......
why don't you go piss on another thread.

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Beth in VT Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 11:51 AM
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51. Why aren't people saying this about Mitt Romney? n/t
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 12:01 PM
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54. Or Rudy Guiliani who spent $50 MILLION for 1 delegate!
:grr:
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 12:21 PM
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57. They HAVE...
That doesn't change the fact that her campaign has been mismanaged - from day one.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 11:12 AM
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34. Yeah, she's evil personified, Satan's handmaiden on Earth, blah, blah, blah.
Thanks for chiming in.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 11:18 AM
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37. Yeah, go vote for another perfect man....
we get it.

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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 12:16 PM
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55. assume your subservient position and go vote for your man
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 09:10 PM
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7. There will be a woman in the White House.....Michelle Obama
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 09:12 PM
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10. I think not. n/t
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 10:05 PM
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16. Yeah, a real woman..not
some phony baloney tryin' to act so tough that she voted for the IWR to politically expediate her future run for the presidency.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 10:11 PM
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18. A real woman? You mean the gal who "has to think about working to support Hillary" if she's the
nominee? That's no "real woman." That's a self absorbed, it's all about ME, woman.
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NMMatt Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 04:02 AM
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21. Oh the irony! -nt
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 11:44 AM
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44. Irony? Michelle Obama said she would have to think about working to support Hillary.
That makes her a self-centered, it's all about the Obamas. She said it, I didn't. Whereas.... all the hatred aimed at Hillary is aimed at her...just because she's HILLARY CLINTON and the the people have bought into the RW hacks who have attacked her unmercifully for YEARS.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 08:56 AM
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26. Are you telling us
that women should know their place? That the appropriate job for a woman in the White House is First Lady?

Thanks, but no thanks. That may be ok for Mrs. Obama, but not for other women. We've had enough First Ladies. Time for a woman President.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 09:59 AM
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29. Michelle Obama is not going to be the President (n/t)
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 03:08 PM
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 09:12 PM
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8. An interesting post...a perspective we don't often hear. K&R
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 09:42 PM
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11. Thanks! I enjoyed reading that.
I especially agree that the Misogyny expressed by the media and public is disgusting. I can't believe we have a chance to elect a woman for president and we seem to be blowing it. We'll not have an opportunity like this again in my/our lifetime. As I've said before...there isn't even a woman in the pipeline. None! Nobody has the past experience and STRENGTH to go against the all male world and hate filled media like Hillary.

Come on you gals...vote for a fabulous woman!
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 04:48 AM
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22. Are you joking?
There are lots of women in the presidential pipeline, governors and senators who have real accomplishments, experience and aren't despised by half the country.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 11:09 AM
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32. Name one! nt
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 02:24 PM
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58. Nancy Pelosi
Napolitano, Sebilius, Condi Rice, Landrieu, Boxer (but probably too old now), Snowe, Mikulski.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 02:44 PM
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59. Sorry to disagree...They are all wonderful women but
no way would they ever be electable. Sebilius is beautiful but boring.
Condi has no husband or family and you know what they will say. Besides she doesn't want to run. The fire has to be in their belly. Landrieu flubbed in NO and is too Dino like and could never get the nomination.
I don't know enough about Napolitano, but I remember thinking she wasn't as great as everyone said. I was totally unimpressed. Boxer, Snow, and Mikulski just don't have it IMHO. None of the above would have a ghost of a chance of winning the primary...not to mention a GE. I'm afraid there are no future possibilities or wannabes around for a loooong time. It's now or never...at least in our immediate lifetime.

Anyone even thinking of the possibility of running has or will be totally turned off by the misogyny of the media and the people...i.e. white males and Southern Christians who believe women are second rate citizens and are subservient to their husbands.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 02:56 PM
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60. I guess it's never then
b/c Hillary won't win the primaries or the GE.

I have no doubt that a woman president (not HRC) is just around the corner though.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/13/opinion/13dowd.html
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 01:59 AM
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65. Sad but true, Auntie Bush. There is still plenty of misogyny out there.
Edited on Sun Feb-17-08 02:01 AM by calimary
I remember listening to talk radio years ago - while I was still working - and hearing some genuine knuckle-draggers call in. It's really still true: some of these adorable folks seriously believe that America began going to hell the moment women got the right to vote. There are indeed people out there - men mostly from what I've observed - who think a worthy mission in the USA is to rescind that right from women. Yeah, that'd fix everything. Some of this is very deep-seated and will only fade from the national psyche when those holding such convictions grow old and die off.

But it's also there regarding the chance of having the first African-American president in our history. A good friend of mine told me only yesterday that she was utterly terrified that mccain would win if Obama is our nominee - because too many people in the South still were racists at heart and would never, alone in the privacy and secrecy of the voting booth, vote for a black presidential candidate.

Sigh... I know these demons still live. Even in this day and age.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 11:20 AM
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39. Sure...
and the same women who won't vote for Hillary wouldn't vote for them either. They wouldn't be perfect enough.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 09:54 PM
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13. Nice Piece. Beautifully written.
How about Elizabeth Dole or Kay Bailey Huchison? Would it feel good to vote for one of those women for President? I would very much like to see a woman President, and Hillary would be a lot better than either of the two I listed, but being a woman, alone, is not enough. I want a woman I trust and with whom I agree on key policy issues. Hillary is not that woman.

:dem:

-Laelth
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 11:25 AM
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41. Of course not......
and there never will be that woman.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 11:44 AM
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45. I believe there will. n/t
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 09:56 PM
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15. Kick and Rec
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AGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 10:08 PM
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17. k and r
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 04:00 AM
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20. Great piece. K & R. n/t
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paperbag_ princess Donating Member (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 05:55 AM
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23. exactly!
This is exactly how I see things....

Truly dems need to do a gut check and see if they have real reasons for voting against Hillary or whether they are looking for excuses.
I am sure there are some with real reasons...but I am just as sure that there are those who are calling their excuses, "reasons"
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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 06:20 AM
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24. K&R from the sons & brothers enlightened by their egalitarian mothers& sisters/nt
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LordJFT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 08:52 AM
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25. is the fact that she voted to cluster bomb areas with children not a real reason?
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paperbag_ princess Donating Member (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 03:27 PM
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62. hey we all have to do our own gut check and live with it
We are all going to have different reasons. I personally am not anti war. I am against the lying that got us into the war. If we had the resources I would like to see us go in and take care of Darfur. In that case it is anti women not to do anything.

Just a few weeks ago I saw WW2 images of naked women holding their children being forced to their group grave. The moms were shot and the babies were just thrown into the pit alive since they were not strong enough to climb out. War is a tool to be used for good or evil. I am glad we helped to stop those atrocities.

I don't begrudge Hillary her vote because I was convinced that it was right to force Saddam to comply too. I later realized I had been had ...just like pretty much every other democrat that was required to vote. I really hope that you did not support Kerry or Edwards....not to mention that Obama hasn't had a problem funding this war....I guess he is anti women too?
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LordJFT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 12:59 AM
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64. I wasn't talking about her IWR vote
I was talking about her vote against a bill cluster-bombs in areas with children. That is inexcusable.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 09:02 AM
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27. Great Article
Hillary's candidacy brings out the worst stereotypical comments about women in leadership roles - "crying", "not likeable" (IOW the men don't like women who are their equals or better). Those same comments have held women back on the job for decades, do they think we haven't heard them before and not recognize them for what they are?

Women are tired of seeing the top job in the country go to incompetent or inferior men. We haven't been waiting for a qualified woman to come along - there have been plenty. We're waiting for one who has been able to fight the "glass ceiling" and move up.

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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 09:13 AM
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28. Nice Article
I went into season looking to JE, but he'd dropped out by Super Tuesday. So I voted for pragmatism and felt the thrill that a pragmatic president would also be a woman.
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 10:24 AM
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30. Or any woman who voted for war.
Are feminist principles to be abandoned to elect a woman? If Libby Dole had run for President, would the writer feel the same way?
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 11:26 AM
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42. and the same women who are whining about
Hillary's vote, voted for John Kerry who also voted yes on the IWR. Hypocrites.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 11:45 AM
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46. STOP!!!! They're trying to forget all about that little FACT!
:hi:
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 11:52 AM
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52. Hi in_cog_ni_to,
Damn those facts. Women have been waiting forever for this chance but we have the nay-sayers who have no problem in voting for a man who isn't what they really want but when it comes to voting for a woman they have all kinds of "reasons". Makes me want to scream.

How are you today?:hi:
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 11:59 AM
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53. I'm good, thanks!
Except for all the sexist crap I'm reading on this board today.:grr: I feel my blood pressure going up already and I'm sure my head will explode by the end of the day, but other than that, I'm good.:7

:hi:
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 12:19 PM
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56. I know what you mean ....
my brain hurts.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 06:18 PM
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63. Kerry said HE was wrong & the WAR was wrong.
Hillary?
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 10:30 AM
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31. Women have earned the right to be judged and rejected just like male candidates
Edited on Sat Feb-16-08 11:16 AM by Armstead
Apart from the obvious misogyny of some of the criticisms of Hillary, she is just a candidate like any other, male or female.

People can support or oppose her for any number of reasons, including substantive policies, who she actually represents as well as superficial personal characteristics.

Rathetr than being any more of a "victim" of mysgyny, perhaps people like the author ought to take their blinders off and realize it's not only about gender.

Kucinich was ignored and marginalized because he's short and kind of funny looking and has a high voice, even though his views and policies actually represent very traditional Democratic liberal values.

Biden and Dodd were ignored because they were perceived as boring middle-aged white guys and members of the Senate status quo.

Shallow stereotypes get in the way of all candidates.


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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 11:14 AM
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35. This present "full court press" intimating that we don't like WOMEN if we don't make HRC President
is shallow and bereft of solid rationale.

I won't vote for HRC mostly due to the corrupt and corporate Clintonian DLC, in which HRC's husband Bill founded and HRC is ID'd one of the KEY LEADERS. A 3rd Clintonian Executive Branch staffed by their coveted DLC organization is NOT what *our* country needs. :thumbsdown:
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 11:10 AM
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33. kick
nt
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 11:17 AM
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36. That's what I've been saying....
people want a woman in the white house but just not "this" woman....and next time it will be the same thing. Perfection is a requirement for a woman to be president. The same women who just don't like Hillary have gone into the voting booth and held their nose while they voted for men, over and over and over again.

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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 11:20 AM
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40. beautifully written. And so said for America
That we are so ugly to women in our society.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 11:38 AM
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43. I know. Without we women, the men who hate us wouldn't even be here.
:) Go figure.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 11:48 AM
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47. eloquently expressed and echos my own thoughts
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 11:48 AM
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48. Just as one wouldn't have put Maggie Thatcher in Number 10 because she was a woman
one shouldn't put the American Thatcher in the White House because she is a woman.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 11:49 AM
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49. Hillary Clinton is NOT an American Margaret Thatcher.
That's pure, grade-A bullshit.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 11:50 AM
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50. I think I know what she meant by "most serious contender"...
...but the phrase still rankles. Sure, Clinton is backed by much more money than were previous female candidates, but that's a very specific meaning of "serious."
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