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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:32 PM
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Now the NAACP's Julian Bond is turning the FL MI delegates into racial discrimination.
Edited on Tue Feb-12-08 06:52 PM by madfloridian
This infuriates me. It was not about race, and I am most disppointed in Julian Bond. It was never about race. Bill Nelson sued Dean on that basis and lost. This is going to turn off a lot of voters, including me.

In 2002 we heard we MUST vote Democratic or we lose our country. In 2004, we heard the same. We voted Democratic in droves. In 2006 we heard we MUST get out and vote in droves...or we lose our country. And we did. Today those Democrats we voted in sold us out.

I don't have a clue why this group would put play the racial card against Howard Dean and the DNC. Hillary alone will benefit. They should have stayed neutral, rather than turn a party situation into something racial.

Julian Bond says the refusal to seat the delegations could remind voters of "racially discriminatory primaries."

WASHINGTON (AP) - A civil rights leader is calling on the Democratic National Committee to reconsider its decision not to seat delegates from Florida and Michigan at the party convention.

The DNC penalized the two states for moving their primaries up, in violation of party rules. Both states were stripped of their delegates, and the presidential candidates promised not to campaign in either state.

In a letter to party chairman Howard Dean, NAACP chairman Julian Bond is expressing "great concern" at what he says is the prospect that millions of voters in the two states could "have their votes completely discounted." And he says the refusal to seat the delegations could remind voters of "racially discriminatory primaries."

Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign has pushed hard for both states' delegations to be seated. She won both primaries, and was the only candidate to appear on the Michigan ballot.


Playing the race card is getting down and dirty. Stripping the Florida delegates had nothing to do with race, but with keeping every other state from leapfrogging and ending up voting in December 2007.

Florida has done a magnificent job on propaganda. I have written a lot about it.

Now the NAACP is going to play the race card against Howard Dean. I am very angry. Bill Nelson played that card in court, and he lost.

I am seeing a very dirty underside of our party right now. I thought I saw it all in 2004, but I was only getting my eyes opened.

I hope Governor Dean will step down rather than give into the false accusations. The party does not deserve someone who really did care about bringing change. Many of thought he would have been more effective working outside the party.

Maybe the time has come. I want Bill Nelson, the NAACP, and anyone else who turned the loss of Florida delegates into a racist thing....to think long and hard about what they are doing to the party.



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EmperorHasNoClothes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:34 PM
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1. Now THAT is playing the race card.
What bullshit. So much for the rule of law.
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griffi94 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:39 PM
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5. wow
the naacp is accused of playing the race card...lol
doesn't the cp part stand for colored persons
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:42 PM
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7. Yes, they are saying the DNC ruling about delegates is racist.
that it will hurt minorities. The ruling had nothing to do with race.

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griffi94 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:57 PM
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16. will it hurt minorites
doesn't matter if race had anything to do with it or not....if it hurts minorities regardless of intenet
shouldn't an advocacy group for minorities be against it
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griffi94 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:58 PM
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17. regardless of intent
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 07:12 PM
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18. That is just spinning....it is putting a false face on what happened.
Shame on you.
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EmperorHasNoClothes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:43 PM
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8. What does that have to do with it?
Anyone can try to make an issue about race, when race has nothing to do with it.
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:36 PM
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2. The entire Primary "rules" of the DNC are undemocratic all together!!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:38 PM
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4. That has not got a damn thing to do with turning this into a racist issue.
That really ticks me off to see all the excuses.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:48 PM
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12. well HILLARY AGREED TO THOSE RULES
but of course I knew she would try to screw everyone over when she kept her name on the ballot when
other candidates removed theirs.

THese states should have planned caucuses at later dates if they can't do a real election at a later date.

HILLARY CAN'T BE TRUSTED TO HONOR HER WORD.
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malletgirl02 Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 07:18 PM
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20. Yes
To add to your post. Another poster posted a great post about the importance of the rules in a democracy a few days ago. Having a stable democracy is more than just voting it is about adhering to the rules of the process. In unstable democracies the participants don't adhere to the rules.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:36 PM
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3. "Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign has pushed hard for both states' delegations to be seated"
once it was to her political advantage to do so. She didn't give a shit about us before.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:40 PM
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6. Have the NAACP leaders endorsed? I heard they were divided..
on Obama. Just wondering, because only Hillary will benefit by this.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:44 PM
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9. We tell them their votes do not count now, they will not show up in Nov.
Just that simple.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:50 PM
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13. Bull hockey. Tell the truth. People need truth now, not racist spin.
.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:55 PM
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15. Bullshit...it benefits hilary and your shilling
is too damn obvious.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 07:20 PM
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21. A coincidence does not make a conclusion, zidzi. If my party told me to eff off
and then wanted me to come out with force a few months later, I would tell them to eff off.

Think.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 07:22 PM
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23. I am noticing something. It is Hillary's people who defend....
everything that happens, no matter what. Even though they know the delegates were not stripped for that reason.

When things are going bad...anything goes.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 08:30 PM
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24. I'm just trying to make the point that Dems in FL and MI might not be so motivated
to support the party in Nov. should the party tell them their votes are meaningless now.

I don't see how that logic is hard to follow.

Yes, I support Hillary. What bearing that has on my point here? None, consciously, at least.
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:44 PM
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10. Was the letter on behalf of the NAACP, or just from Bond himself?
We've seen this before, where the head of an organization says something and people think the organization did it.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:51 PM
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14. Just from Bond, it seems.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:46 PM
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11. there's some really dirty maneuvering going on there
but I put nothing past Hillary.

And Mark (Blackwater) Penn, no wonder he has time to do a book signing today, he has his
Rove Like plan in place.

Since honest candidates didn't campaign in FL and MI per DNC Party RULES,
and all agreed to the rules, then many voters will be disenfranchised if
the delegates are seated against the rules.

Either there needs to be a caucus and candidates can run, but that wouldn't be fair to
John Edwards or his supporters, would it?

Hillary is willing to destroy the democratic party completely to get what she/Bill
wants.

Selfish selfish conniving.
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Freida5 Donating Member (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 07:17 PM
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19. It is not about race-What is wrong with Obama supporters. If Michigan and Florida
Democrats are not represented at the convention, how do you think many will vote in the fall. We will need the support of Florida and Michigan Democrats to take both States in the fall. Without those two states we lose the election.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 07:20 PM
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22. The credentials committee will decide....it should be turned into a racist thing.
What is wrong with Obama supporters? That's an odd question. This is a Hillary power play behind the scenes. May I ask if she cares more about herself or the party?
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