Flashback: Hillary voted for SCHIP, Obama didn't show up

[jackson_dem]

Keep this in mind as you see the fake outrage over Hillary and the telecom vote.

Clinton

09/27/2007 State Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) Reauthorization Y

Obama

09/27/2007 State Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) Reauthorization NV

[9119495]

1. This Obama supporter is okay with her missing this vote...

Remember me kindly.

[Occam Bandage]

2. Fake outrage? Privacy/spying has been a major netroots issue since the patriot act.

The fact that Clinton didn't bother showing up is even more outrageous, given how gleefully y'all have been bashing Obama's no-shows.

[DUyellow]

9. agree

[Hobarticus]

12. Any families going without healthcare because of spying, this winter?

[cloud75]

3. very big issue and he's a no show too many question marks for him

one of the many reasons i'm voting for Hillary!!

[rinsd]

4. The real news is Obama showed up.

If criticism of his attendance record especially on some major issues in the last 9 months made this a political move, who cares.

That's the point of criticism. For a candidate to change their behavior.

[HeraldSquare212]

5. She lambasted him for missing votes or voting present.

Payback's a bitch, as they say.

[jackson_dem]

6. Want to compare attendance records?

Obama starts up 129-0 just based on his "present" votes alone...

[UALRBSofL]

7. Bush veto'd it

That's why I can't wait to get him out of office. It left what was it 10 million or more kids without healthcare? Am I correct on all this?

[NightWatcher]

8. let's weigh healthcare vs unconsitutional spying

there is no ammemdment that says that we have the right to childrens health care, but there is one against unlawful search and seizure.

Aside from what I think about the issues, it just doesnt look good for either candidate to miss such a huge vote.

[DUyellow]

10. hahaha , good point

[MagsDem]

15. Oh get real

Do you think she wouldn't have shown up if she was going to be the deciding vote? Can you people grow up for like ONE day? Just one day of grown up behavior would be grand.

[RaleighNCDUer]

20. You mean like Obama not showing up to vainly vote against

Kyle/Lieberman, because it was overwhelmingly going to pass?

How many here have demanded 'He should have at least voted, to make his voice heard!'

Gander, goose.

[jackson_dem]

26. There is a difference. Obama later claimed to strongly oppose it and called it a vote for war

If it was a vote for war why couldn't he be bothered to show up? Obama has been lying through his teeth on Kyl-Lieberman.

[RaleighNCDUer]

30. So you just gotta have it both ways.

:eyes:

[jackson_dem]

32. You don't see the difference and the blatant hypocrisy from Obama?

If he just didn't vote that would be like what you describe. He used it as a campaign issue after he saw the polling. He claimed it was a vote for war. If it was why didn't he show up for it? He wasn't even against it--he supported the idea in a bill he cosponsored earlier in 2007--until he saw the political hay he could make from it!

[RaleighNCDUer]

37. Spin spin spin

I'm getting fucking dizzy, just watching you.

[jackson_dem]

16. Let's weight it then

Health care for millions of children vs. allowing a couple of lawsuits. Which is more important? The FISA bill doesn't change anything. It merely allows a few lawsuits to go ahead for past actions.

How about Obama missing the 9/11 commission vote? Hillary voted for it. Which is more important? Preventing a nuclear bomb from going off in New York City or a few lawsuits?

Speaking of lawsuits, guess who voted for "tort reform" on behalf of corporations in 2005? Yes, the anti-corporate Obama while Hillary voted for it. That was a much larger issue than FISA since it encompasses all torts, not a few lawsuits for past behavior.

[RaleighNCDUer]

21. Let's weigh it, then.

Childrens' healthcare vs VIOLATIONS OF THE CONSTITUTION.

You know, the poor we will always have with us - but it's not looking the same for the constitution.

[jackson_dem]

24. Retroactive lawsuits don't affect the constitution

They allow folks to collect damages but won't change anything in the future for the nation. Since when did Obama care so much about folks' right to sue anyway? He voted to limit it when he voted for the corporate tort bill. Hillary was against it.

This issue is another example of where Obama draws his support. He gets it from people who views these issues as academic, not those who are struggling to survive like the parents of those kids without health care.

[LSK]

28. you cant compare them

They are both equally important.

[cooolandrew]

11. The bill was vetoed as Bush has with every bill going. There was never enough to put it through...

... He ahd 2 options show up to put a bill through that bush will reject or go out to become president and fix this himself.

[jackson_dem]

17. FISA was going to pass anyway

Why are Obama supporters lambasting Hillary for not voting?

[bridgit]

13. MY G_D!! When will you people understand!?! It only matters when Hillary doesn't show up!

:rant:

[KittyWampus]

14. Obama ssupporters aren't the ones who've been beating the "missed vote" drum for months here.

[MagsDem]

18. It's not "missed" votes that are the issue with him

1. It's voting "present" when he was there because he is too cowardly to actually take a stand one way or the other.

2. And it's him and you Obama people slamming her on votes that he did not show up for. If it was important enough for you and Obama to critisize her about, shouldn't it have been important enough for him to show up?


Now can you grow up a tad?

[jackson_dem]

19. Yup

Kyl-Lieberman is the best example. Obama didn't take a stand before the bill, during the vote, and didn't say a single word about it despite being asked about Iran during a debate the same night the bill was passed. Edwards, Gravel both denounced it. Obama was silent. Only after his polling came back and showed it would help him did he become "against" it, even though he was for it before he was against it (he cosponsored a similar bill a few months earlier).

[rinsd]

22. Hillary was wrong to miss this vote. Obama was wrong to miss dozens of others.

[IronLionZion]

23. Only if you deliberately pretend he wasn't involved in sponsoring that legislation.

He put in the amendment to extend job protection for family members caring for combat-wounded soldiers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama#110th_Congress

He added 20,000 Illinois children to their state's healthcare program.

He sponsored and voted for so many health care bills that it's disappointing that I even have debunk this shit here. Healthcare has been his biggest priority.

http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Barack_Obama_Health_Care.htm




There's plenty of faux outrage on here. What's a little more from you?

[jackson_dem]

25. We aren't talking about Illinois. We are talking about him missing an important U.S. Senate vote

Citing his record on health care as an excuse for him missing this vote is like citing Hillary's good civil liberties record as an excuse for her missing the FISA vote. That doesn't excuse them not doing their jobs but it does put their missed votes in proper context. Sounds good to me. Something tells me Obamites won't be looking at Hillary's record over the next 48 hours, though...

[LSK]

27. why cant I find this vote????

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/vote_menu_110_1.htm

[LSK]

29. because you have THE WRONG DATE

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00403

And the vote was not close!!!

:eyes:

[jackson_dem]

33. Take it up with votesmart. The fact remains he didn't vote on this bill

[LSK]

36. oh thats from votesmart???

I didn't know becaue you didn't SOURCE your facts. Please do so in the future.

[oviedodem]

31. HE DID VOTE for this original bill; this was a language change that changed

nothing! STOP FLAMING

http://www.votesmart.org/issue_keyvote_member.php?cs_id=14622

Read it and weep.

[jackson_dem]

34. That excuses NOT VOTING the second time Democrats tried to pass it?

That's his defense? "I voted for it before I voted present"

[jackson_dem]

35. That excuses him NOT VOTING the second time Democrats tried to get it passed?

That's his defense? "I voted for it before I voted present"