What happens if exit polls dramatically contradict the '04 pres vote?

[MoonRiver]

Obviously there can't be a valid re'count'. So would there be grounds to demand a re-election in the areas where this happened, i.e. BBV zones? I know it didn't work in 2000, but that might have been because the Dems rolled over. I can't believe there's no recourse to having our votes disappeared, over and over and over!
:argh:

[montanacowboy]

1. I think we need the

exit polls again also - just to balance the two out

[stopthegop]

2. exit polls are legally meaningless..

and it's likely a fair number of people lie to them...if exit polls don't closely match final tally, final tally wins...

[DenverDem]

4. Why would a fair number of people lie?

Legally meaningless, yes. Statistically meaningless, hardly.

[stopthegop]

6. mostly to be ornery...

similar to the difference in polling in Iowa and actual vote totals...
people frequently give the answer they believe the poll taker wants...

[qb]

3. I hope the international observers in Florida will oversee exit polling.

They won't roll over like the media did in 2000 (Gee whiz! Our exit polling must be broken!)

[SheilaT]

5. My understanding is that there is

simply no provision for re-voting in this country. So that's not going to happen.

And there will probably be little if any exit polling. Indeed, I expect that in the final two weeks before the election we will be bombarded with wildly varying poll results, so that everyone will come to doubt all polling. Meanwhile the Republicans will make soothing noises about what really counts is the actual vote.

There are so many ways this election can be stolen. The above is one way, as the preparation to massive voter fraud on BBV machines. And there don't even need to be all that many of the machines in place. Simply enough of them in crucial areas.

[MoonRiver]

7. Is there ANYTHING we can do to stop the total theft of our democracy?

Can Kerry start legal proceedings against Diebold et al. before the November election? Maybe he could get an injunction against the machines (unless they produce receipts).

[anti-NAFTA]

15. What's diebold and what's BBV?

I keep seeing them mentioned.

[MoonRiver]

17. BBV = Black Box Voting, aka computerized voting with no paper trail.

Diebold = one of the major manufacturers of BBV machines. The CEO of Diebold just happens to be a major contributor to * and the Puke Party. Most other manufacturers of BBV machines are also rightwing contributors. In other words, the fix is in, unless we can do something to stop it.

[anti-NAFTA]

18. Oh.

Thanks for your response. That shit is disgusting.

[SheilaT]

30. I have no idea if we can start legal proceedings

against Diebold before November. It should be looked into. We should also be trying very hard to persuade our individual state legislatures to insist a paper ballot also be issued.

But there's more than one way to steal this election. BBV is only one. I can myself think of several (Osama's capture is announced about 72 hours before the election, driving all other news -- especially Kerry's final campaign push -- off the news channels. "Credible" intelligence of a possible terrorist strike means a red alert, perhaps only in certain (very Democratic) areas, which convinces many to stay home. Or perhaps the populace in those areas is told officially to stay home. A terror incident occurs a couple of weeks before the election, and the theme of the Bush campaign is one of how he's the strong leader who will protect us in our time of need. Kerry's patriotism will be called into doubt.

And so on and so forth. Kerry's actual record doesn't matter. His twenty years in the Senate do provide a record that can be attacked. While I am absolutely not a fan of John Kerry (I'm still an unreconstructed Deaniac) I understand quite clearly that he (no less than any of the other candidates) has many areas that can and will be attacked by Bush. Don't forget that Kerry won the nomination without having to face a single negative ad. And there will be nothing but negative ads against him from now until election day. If it occurs.

If they get really desperate some kind of terror incident can be orchestrated resulting in cancellation of the election. I would not put anything past those currently in power.

[librechik]

8. The exit polls get a "glitch"

and unfortunately the public can't see them ... again.

[HFishbine]

9. Again?

http://www.udel.edu/poscir/road/course/exitpollsindex.html

[kiahzero]

28. Hey!

That's my school!

Sorry, nothing meaningful to interject. Just thought I'd show some UD pride. :D

[bobbieinok]

10. 2000 - all exit polls agreed with result EXCEPT FL

... so there weren't any in 2002

[Ravy]

12. It agreed in Florida, too... it measures who the person believed they

voted for.

So, the double votes cast out because they wrote in AND checked Gore for good measure... those people went out and said "Gore!".

Of course, their vote didn't count.

The exit polls were about the only thing accurate in the 2000 Florida election.

[bobbieinok]

14. that's what I intended

they said who they voted for but their vote didn't get counted

discrepancy made people realize there was a problem

[anti-NAFTA]

16. I'm taking a statistics class, and I'd like to know

how the exit polls could have disagreed with the results. According to the (bullshit) result, Bush won by, what, 400 votes? The polls must have been evenly split and there's always a margin of error. So I don't think it's fair to say that the results disagreed with the polls unless the polls drastically favored Gore.

[Auntie Bush]

11. It depends on who won. n/t

[MoonRiver]

13. My bottom line is, if we don't have paper verifiable ballots,

we have to have SOMETHING to demonstrate, or not, that the election was fair and the votes were counted accurately. I'm not trying to be argumentative I'm just looking for some kind of answer to how we can handle what promises to be another presidential electoral mess. Only this time the stakes are so much higher.

[w4rma]

19. The Florida exit polls dramatically contradicted the Florida vote tally.

Use that as a basis for what would happen in 2004, imho.

Notice how CNN has scrubbed the ones for Florida from their site:
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2000/results/index.epolls.html

[BruinAlum]

20. Ain't gonna happen this time

Too many eyes on this election.

[MoonRiver]

21. Man, oh man, I hope you are right.

I also am hoping that Kerry takes some kind of pre-emptive legal action to stop the paperless voting trail.

[BruinAlum]

22. I thought I read somewhere that he is already taking some action on that?

Don't quote me - but I thought I read something here in the last week timeframe that he was taking some proactive action in that regard???

[MoonRiver]

23. I've read it and heard him on some t.v. show say that.

I just hope and pray he follows through soon. It must be done asap to ensure we have fair elections this November!!

[BruinAlum]

24. Good - I didn't just imagine it then!

[MoonRiver]

25. No. Let's post and e-mail mega pleas for him to do SOMETHING SOON!

Start the potentially disenfranchised voter class action lawsuits yesterday!

[BruinAlum]

29. He is on top of it. Don't fret,

:)

[havocmom]

26. Everybody who votes for Kerry should go to D.C. in January

If our boy isn't sworn in, we ask, en masse, why. :evilgrin:

[MoonRiver]

27. I think it'd be a lot more effective if Kerry and we Dems did something

preemptively.