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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 06:33 PM Original message |
Hillary and Obama. A Comparison. |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 06:33 PM Response to Original message |
1. kick |
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K Gardner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 06:34 PM Response to Original message |
2. Excellent post, maddiejoan ! K&R |
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jakem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 06:34 PM Response to Original message |
3. getting people behind him... |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 06:35 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Give me a better one. |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 06:36 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Obama used him of such an example. |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 06:37 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. I was using the examples |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 06:39 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Isn't it funny how nobody objects when St. Obama does it |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 06:40 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. It's actually not funny. |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 06:52 PM Response to Reply #16 |
27. I didn't mean funny "ha ha" |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 06:53 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Then I'd say |
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jakem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 06:40 PM Original message |
i just though it was an odd choice. Obama gave Reagan as a very specific example- |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 06:54 PM Response to Original message |
30. And maddiejoan gave Reagan as a very specific example. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 07:06 PM Response to Reply #30 |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 07:12 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. You know that name-calling is against DU rules? |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 07:33 PM Response to Original message |
57. Not true. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 06:35 PM Response to Original message |
5. Another difference I notice... |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 06:38 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. That's actually |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 06:40 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. It may explain the difference in supporters... |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 06:36 PM Response to Original message |
7. Brilliant brief analysis. |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 06:39 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Thanks, Bonobo. |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 06:36 PM Response to Original message |
8. And either one would be light years better than anyone the GOP could ever conceive of. |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 06:40 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. No question in my mind. |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 06:55 PM Response to Reply #8 |
32. I wish I could be more optimistic, but neither will change anything. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 06:39 PM Response to Original message |
13. Can we list what they each have "done" to change things? |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 06:41 PM Response to Original message |
17. Ethics reform "done" by OBama...... |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 06:42 PM Response to Original message |
18. LBJ had a record of serious legislative accomplishments before becoming President |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 06:44 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Really? |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 06:48 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. She failed to get us universal health care. |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 06:52 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. She lost a lot of political capital |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 06:57 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. Clinton got elected in '92 promising universal health care. |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 06:59 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. lacking a crystal ball |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 07:01 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. Past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior. |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 07:03 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. If that's true |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 07:05 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Obama has a long progressive record and many legislative accomplishments. |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 07:09 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. It's not as impressive as Hillary's |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 06:43 PM Response to Original message |
19. Good thread, and I agree that Hillary knows what levers to pull |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 06:44 PM Response to Original message |
20. Expanded Children's health coverage in Illinois |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 06:46 PM Response to Original message |
22. And certainly, Obama "did" grassroots work that made a difference |
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VolcanoJen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 06:46 PM Response to Original message |
23. That's a really nice post, maddie. |
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Straight Shooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 06:49 PM Response to Original message |
25. Thanks, maddiejoan. |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 06:51 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Guess we'll find out! |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 06:54 PM Response to Original message |
31. Maybe I'm missing something but I don't get the "comparison".... |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 06:56 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. How does that speech differ from Hillary's speech |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 06:59 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Hillary repeated Bush's lies about the threat Iraq posed |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 07:00 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. where is the speech different? |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 07:03 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. The part where Hillary repeats Bush's lies about Iraq's WMD's and ties to Al Qaeda. |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 07:07 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. She had different information than Obama |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 06:59 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. She voted for what he specifically called a "dumb war"? |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 07:00 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. IWR |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 07:06 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. Funny, cause it could have fooled me, millions of others and |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 07:08 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. Read |
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Yael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 07:11 PM Response to Original message |
49. If we look past the throne -- which has the draw to help down ticket races? |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 07:17 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. Both |
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Yael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 08:00 PM Response to Reply #52 |
61. Its an answer! |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 08:57 PM Response to Reply #61 |
67. You too, hon |
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OneSelf (167 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 07:14 PM Response to Original message |
51. Great post! |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 07:20 PM Response to Original message |
53. Here, I fixed your post |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 07:24 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. No I had it right |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 07:30 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Then you aren't watching his speeches or have read his community service proposals... |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 07:33 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. wrongo |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 07:43 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Two words: Cluster Bombs. |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 08:09 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. What you fail to mention is |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 08:46 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. What part of Civilian Areas don't you understand? |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 08:47 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Obama's vote |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 08:49 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. And most Democrats voted for that ban. Clinton sided with the Republicans. |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 08:50 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Good bye |
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eallen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 07:30 PM Response to Original message |
55. No mention of Bill there. Regardless of whose name is on the ballot... |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 07:39 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. Why would I mention Bill Clinton? |
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eallen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 09:04 PM Response to Reply #59 |
69. It's a two-fer. Like it or not. So that is relevant. |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 08:59 PM Response to Original message |
68. here's something different.... |
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