Well, Looks like Hillary wants Shuster to be Fired.

[MadBadger]

FULL TEXT OF LETTER:

Dear Mr. Capus,

Thank you for your call yesterday. I wanted to send you this note to convey the depth of my feeling about David Shuster's comments.

I know that I am a public figure and that my daughter is playing a public role in my campaign. I am accustomed to criticism, certainly from MSNBC. I know that it goes with the territory.

However, I became Chelsea's mother long before I ran for any office and I will always be a mom first and a public official second.

Nothing justifies the kind of debasing language that David Shuster used and no temporary suspension or half-hearted apology is sufficient.

I would urge you to look at the pattern of behavior on your network that seems to repeatedly lead to this sort of degrading language.

There's a lot at stake for our country in this election. Surely, you can do your jobs as journalists and commentators and still keep the discourse civil and appropriate.

Sincerely,

Hillary Rodham Clinton

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8412.html

[Pale Blue Dot]

1. As I posted yesterday, I wholeheartedly agree with the suspension.

I would strongly disagree with a firing.

[UALRBSofL]

47. Good for her

Maybe these MSM freaks will quit attacking women and by firing him will set an example of what can happen if you discriminate.

[Tellurian]

113. Hillary isn't asking for Schuster's firing..she's looking for a "guarantee" this sort of journalism

be abandoned on msnbc permanently.. She's casting a wide net. Let's see what they offer in recompense.....

[mutant80]

204. She is our FIRST CANDIDATE to FIGHT BACK against MSM!

[mutant80]

205. Gore, Kerry, afraid to fight TV Smears

and got annihilated. Clinton isn't taking any Crap.

[defendandprotect]

206. Right . .. and she's saying "who are you kidding-???" . . . re their

selection of right-wing fanatical hosts and guests ---

This isn't something that happens by accident ---

this is what GE/NBC/MSNBC is all about --- sexist, racist, homophobic ---

Excluding Olbermann --- and it's still hard to understand why they unleashed him ---
I can only think to cut into Jon Stewart's show ---

When Stewart drops in ratings --- and goes --
then Olbermann will also be hushed up again --

[Seeker30]

2. And where does she say anything about Shuster being fired??

[MadBadger]

She is saying suspension isnt enough for Shuster.

[MADem]

31. No she is not. She's saying the NETWORK needs to get correct.

I would urge you to look at the pattern of behavior on your network that seems to repeatedly lead to this sort of degrading language.

[yardwork]

107. I agree with that assessment and I agree with Hillary.

And frankly, any Democrat who doesn't agree hasn't been paying attention to the what the media has done to our party over the past three decades.

[Yossariant]

110. I sent a similar email to msnbc last night and made the same point.

I told them that I was prompted by Shuster's comment, but that he is merely indicative of MSNBC's coverage of the primary season.

~ That I am as appalled at the facile sexism as I would be if they were promoting racism.

~ That they should be ashamed of their open and hostile attitude to Hillary Clinton relative to her opponent.

~ Mentioned both Hardball and, sadly, Countdown --- told them I don't care about Tucker and Scarborough because they are known partisans.

~ Threatened to contact the sponsors and call for boycott if tenor and tone of debate and discussion don't improve.

[Bongo Prophet]

154. Yes, they should take a hard look at themselves, including Joe and Tucker.

This is more than MSNBC as well, and not just about the Clinton's - it is a general dismissive tone and callowness.
More pervasive than even corp media, it has infected the national discourse for decades now.

Kind of GDP's problem, come to think of it.

[Bluerthanblue]

129. read the letter again she says EXACTLY that- it is even bolded-

She is rapidly losing any thread of respect I have left for her-

[butterfly77]

131. You just hate her...

so it doesn't matter what she says you will be against it..

[Bluerthanblue]

136. who the hell are you to decide what I feel?

I came into this primary without any favorite.

I've said that I will vote for her if she is the nominee. It is getting less and less comfortable for me to be ok with this promise to myself.

There are things I've really admired about Hillary- I have posted them more than a few times.

What is your point in posting your bigoted opinion about me?

What do you hope to gain? Does it make you feel good to tell other people what they feel?

think about this-
:shrug:
peace~

[MADem]

143. Ok, since you're so GOOD at picking stuff out BETWEEN the lines, you

cut and paste it for me.

I don't see "Fire that bastard" anywhere.

I see "NBC needs to cut the shit."

But then, you're apparently able to divine meaning where no one else can...?

[Bluerthanblue]

162. I'd be happy to-

Hillary writes:

"Nothing justifies the kind of debasing language that David Shuster used and no temporary suspension or half-hearted apology is sufficient."

She has said point blank that a temporary suspension is not sufficient- what is the alternative to a temporary one?


You don't see "fire that bastard" in this letter-

but you see a stupid man saying:
"Doesn’t it seem as if Chelsea is sort of being pimped out in some weird sort of way?” as being something OTHER than a very crude, rude, offensive way of stating that the elder Clintons were utilizing the aid of their NOW adult daughter to gain support for their campaign?


What subliminal message was in this jerks statement that others like me can't "divine"( to borrow your sarcasm)? Do you really mean to tell me that you sincerely believe that he was suggesting that they were forcing her to engage in sex in return for favorable votes?????-

Are people dumping their rage on Schuster that actually may be more appropriately directed at Matthews' comments from the NH primary?

think it through-

peace~

[MADem]

169. I thought it through. And I read the rest of the letter. NO SALE.

She wants it fixed, and she wants journalists to be CIVIL.

Go back and read that part. Read each line, without PREJUDICE. And without "assuming."

Clinton, unlike Obama, doesn't deal in tea leaves. She says what she means.

If she wanted this guy fired she would have said so.

Check Shuster's history.

He's a dear friend of ..... McCAIN ..... from his FOX NEWS days, where he did their bidding covering Whitewater/impeachment and anything anti-Clinton.

But here's the most important bit--he spent four long months on the Straight Talk Express. He gave McCain some GLOWING coverage, until they went with Bush.

They want Clinton out of the race, so McCain can run his bus right over Obama. And don't kid yourself--that IS the agenda at MSGOP.

[Bluerthanblue]

175. I'm not selling anything MADem- and

I haven't got any agenda.

If Hillary wanted to speak to MSNBC about their overall bias, this letter was NOT the place to do it. She has had many opportunities to address the Matthews comments, and any other bias that she feels has been happening.

Hillary IS an intelligent, articulate person. She also knows how to "parse" a phrase- when it is to her advantage, as all politicans do.

When asked head on if she had been snubbed by Obama at the SOTU speech, she gave a very fluid answer. She refused to answer the question directly, because she might have had to lie, or say something that wouldn't have kept the sympathetic eye on her. So she played her answer very carefully.

You have some old business to settle with this guy- that much is very clear. Maybe Hillary does as well. Maybe not- I am not going to make the mistake of putting your prejudice against this guy on her, without hearing something from her that would lead me to believe she shares your need for revenge.

I don't buy cable tv- I don't support any of these people. MaCain couldn't run any bus over Obama- you have your own perspective - and that is yours. I'm not jumping on that bandwagon.

peace~

[MADem]

196. All I can say is I invite your attention, if you can find any of it on the web, to Shuster's

long tenure at Fox News. If you don't 'buy cable' -- no offense intended -- you've got a bit of nerve suggesting that "I" have an agenda, when you haven't even seen the evidence!

He wasn't The Retiring Reporter, by any means. He enjoyed doing those reports--or he's one helluvan actor.

Clinton's surrogates HAVE addressed these issues in the past. MSNBC has not STOPPED. What is she supposed to do, roll over like a good little woman and smile sweetly? There's nothing wrong with that letter at all. It's plain, it's civil, and it tells it like it is.

I can't believe you'd equate an answer about that snub business (which was pumped by whom...why the MEDIA!) to the continuous pounding by Fox and Shuster, and later, Matthews, Shuster, Russert and MSNBC, over the course of YEARS. Of course she's going to parse about that snub event, the same way Obama is going to parse when he's asked a "gotcha" question designed to give the media a "Spat!" headline.

[Bongo Prophet]

158. Is the bolding in the original or just the OP? I think the latter, but could be wrong.

It helps to read as a whole - the bold makes a casual reader dismiss the next sentence.

Ah well, another news cycle lost to gossip and outrage and distraction.
Just in time for the Saturday primary.
Shame, that.

[Bluerthanblue]

164. I don't know- I think it is added by the OP-

but I could be wrong.

peace~

[creeksneakers2]

184. Even top notch Clinton slanderer now retracts his BS about Hillary

demanding Shuster's firing. Jake Tapper admits he's a jerk.

Clinton Campaign Not Looking for Shuster to Be Fired, After All


http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/clinton-campa-1.html

[Tellurian]

178. Yep, see post #113 above...

She is saying more than what you're thinking...

[Rageneau]

26. Right here...

no temporary suspension or half-hearted apology is sufficient.

The only thing beyond a temporary suspension is a permanent one.

Personally, because Schuster is known to be one of the halfway decent pundit-heads, I think she's going too far. She should be more gracious, and perhaps that gesture would cause the rest of the MSM to ease up on their unfair and insulting coverage of her.

[MADem]

46. Way to read those tea leaves--look at the NEXT sentence, that is what she WANTS

I would urge you to look at the pattern of behavior on your network that seems to repeatedly lead to this sort of degrading language.

[yardwork]

111. A gracious gesture would cause the rest of the MSM to ease up?

That worked real well for Kerry, Gore, and Dukakis.

[creeksneakers2]

185. Are you serious?

"She should be more gracious, and perhaps that gesture would cause the rest of the MSM to ease up on their unfair and insulting coverage of her."

Nothing will ever stop the media's gang libeling of Hillary. I don't understand how people can not know this.

[Garbo 2004]

27. "no temporary suspension or half-hearted apology is sufficient." What would be "sufficient?" n/t

[TwilightGardener]

33. Public hanging. Do we still have gallows?

[Hieronymus]

56. Oh yes, public hanging, or burn Shuster at the stake.

[MADem]

36. THIS--what she WROTE in the doggone LETTER

I would urge you to look at the pattern of behavior on your network that seems to repeatedly lead to this sort of degrading language.

[Whisp]

50. that means fire Shuster, and watch what else you say. nt

[MadBadger]

Exactly.

[MADem]

71. Wow, aren't you the clever interpreter!!! You have quite the skill at reading between lines! NT

[rodeodance]

190. THE TRUTH THREAD IS HERE:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4510989&mesg_id=4510989

[hfojvt]

116. exactly, hardly about firing one guy. "look at the pattern"

I've got to applaud her for that.

[VolcanoJen]

70. As Bleachers wrote yesterday...

... Schuster's apology written in blood on the desk of Chris Matthews. }(

Gawd this thing is getting out-of-hand ridiculous.

[TankLV]

137. it's from BLEACHERS - we expect as much crap from him...

obamababies are the worst...

he excuses obama's SUPPORT OF GAY BIGOTS...

[VolcanoJen]

146. It's called "a sense of humor."

Look into it, maybe!

[uppityperson]

74. Stopping degrading language, stopping swift boating, stopping all sorts of MSM antics.

How about this, report the news rather than sexying it up so people will go oooooooooooooooo and watch. Actually report news. That would be sufficient.

[Garbo 2004]

170. Then I look forward to Hillary's letter to CNN regarding their support of Glenn Beck.

As well as to Rupert about Faux News.

[laconicsax]

3. Can Tweety be far behind?

One can only hope.

[xultar]

13. ZACTLY, I don't think she wants Schuster Fired...she wants them to fix their fucking network.

I would urge you to look at the pattern of behavior on your network ...

[okasha]

40. Exactly.

She wants an overall reform, not one offender's head.

[Blue State Bandit]

114. She want them on-board.

Smells like Iraq.

[nonconformist]

80. Exactly... and I think that people know this, they're being purposefully misleading. nt

[xultar]

96. What is funny is the people who fell in line on the mislead,

[madfloridian]

4. I recommended this.

This is outrageous.

[TwilightGardener]

5. But she's buddies with McCain, who made a joke about Chelsea being

the product of a lesbian love affair betwen Hillary and Janet Reno. She goes on trips to Iraq with him! Where's the outrage there?

[cali]

6. she should back off.

enough is enough. Yes, his comment sucked. Fine, he got suspended, but she's being ridiculous and vindictive and milking this for all its worth.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

34. for MORE than it is worth.

Not to worry. Hillary will go too far; that is the hallmark of their campaign. If spending 3 mil in Iowa got them a 22% lead, spending 35 mill would guarantee victory!. See how well that worked out earlier?

[Saturday]

7. Imus was fired, time for Shuster to be fired.

[sandnsea]

8. Okay now that's bullshit

If MSNBC had decided to fire him on their own, fine. But he's been reprimanded and that should be the end of it. This is so typical of the Clintons. Where the hell was this kind of outrage when the media was pimping Bush's war lies.

[niyad]

115. let's see--the media wasn't covering anybody who had anything negative to say

about bush and his lies, or did you miss that part?

[sandnsea]

122. Did you miss the part

where Bill and Hillary get on the news any time they want to? Bill was saying we should give Bush the benefit of the doubt on the yellow cake. If they wanted to oppose the war, the way they said they did, they could have gotten their faces on the tube. She got all 5 Sunday shows for chrissake. They don't use their power for anything except to further their own ambitions. They aren't going to fight for us.

[madfloridian]

9. Is Keith next?

.

[okasha]

52. Keith was the one

who actually offered a genuine apology. All Schuster's produced was a weasly "Gee, I'm sorry you felt offended by my witty and perfectly justifiable comment."

[Orangepeel]

98. Schuster got it right about the third time

He did give a real apology on "Tucker" yesterday. It took him a few times, but he did it.

[madfloridian]

105. Oh, but Shuster had done very good work before on MSNBC

Just like Keith has. What if Keith says too much. Will we have the outcry?

[Bongo Prophet]

166. Olbermann's apology was an example of how to do it right. He is a mensch.

Even though he does do the "ho" thing with the whole blond celebrity thing, he is usually pretty respectful.

Matthews, Tucker and Joey the scar are the worst.
Andrea mitchell and the tucker "gossip" section are the worst at trivial gossip treated as news.
It's all pretty pathetic - I don't watch to get insight, but to understand the cultural gatekeeper aspect of it.
Otherwise, one wonders where the hell people get such stupid opinions.

[Medusa]

200. Olbermann has made many offensive, sexist and yes, even racist

comments in the past. It's why I stopped watching his show. I never heard him make one about a political candidate, not a Democrat anyway, but I'm sure he probably has with this year's eleciton cycle. And yes, I'd imagine that once the Clinton campaign gets one scalp under their belt they'll want more so this is in effect, their attempt at silencing anyone who dares speak the truth about them or says something they define as offensive. And that could and probably will be almost anything from this point out. So yes, your precious Keith could be next. Is that what you really want?

[Hart2008]

10. Shuster can get a job at Fox now. n/t

[xultar]

39. Yeah, isn't that where he worked before?

[MADem]

42. He used to work at Fox. His job--covering the Clinton impeachment.

He was pretty nasty, too.

[Bluerthanblue]

168. hummmmmm ....... are you sure this is ONLY about the comment

this guy made?
No other agenda?-

Be honest with yourself at least-


peace~

[MADem]

172. Uh, the first post I replied to said that Shuster could get a job at Fox.

To which I replied, factually, he used to work there.

And he WAS nasty.

He covered Clinton's impeachment (with GLEE), Monica Lewinsky (with GLEE) and Whitewater.

Want more?

He spent four long months with McCain, on the Straight Talk Express.

Don't believe me, look it up.

I'm guessing he'll apologize himself, and MSNBC will keep their head down for awhile, and then pull the same shit in October.

It's what they do.

GE, top ten Pentagon Contractor. We Bring Good Wars to Life.

They own that entire NBC family of networks, and they WANT John "Hundred Year War" McCain in the driver's seat. They'll do what they need to do in the propaganda department to make that happen.

Make no mistake.

[tokenlib]

11. She says the suspension isn't sufficient...

...she wants him neutered...permanently..

Sorry but I think the Imus firing went too far as punishment..

[xultar]

18. I think it was perfect. About time networks took responsibility for the assholes

they put on the air.

[Whisp]

94. and it's time for the public to take responsibility for the

assholes they put in the whitehouse.

people are waking up to realise they are being fed the same bullshit from two different plates, and the controlling assholes don't like that much.

[Medusa]

201. Yes nothing says a "Democratic society"

more than muzzling the press does it?

[bunnies]

12. If only she had been that hard on Bill when he lied to the entire fucking country.

What a joke.

[xultar]

15. How does that fucking compare. RW BULLSHIT ON DU AGAIN.

[OzarkDem]

Yep, more Rush talking points

Amazing, we never see those except during elections.

[bunnies]

77. YOU are one to talk.

With your bullshit post about Obama using the Clinton thing to his advantage. What a fucking crock.

[bunnies]

73. Exactly.

How DOES that fucking compare. A president lies to the country and gets a free pass. A reporter fucks up, apologizes, gets suspended, and its unacceptable. You cant see the difference? Really?

[TacticalPeek]

145. "gets a free pass"

???!!!

That's whack.

[UpInArms]

really - it's becoming tiring - isn't it?

We really don't need anyone to come in and "freep" our board anymore - we really don't have to worry about others ripping our dem candidates apart - we're doing such a fine job of it ourselves.

It all makes me so sad that Earl, Elad and Skinner have brought us this great vehicle and we are wrecking it.

:(

[Kahuna]

155. If she wants to be outraged she can start with her buds at Faux News

who employ sean hannity who says hateful things about her day in and day out for years on in. Sean even has a "Stop Hillary" campaign. If she wants to muscle the media, that would be a very good start. I would advise you however to not hold your breath waiting for her to take on hannity.

[creeksneakers2]

186. How can she muscle Fox?

MSNBC caters to a left wing audience and Hillary was able to get mass E-mail complaints from MSNBC's target audience. She can't get Fox viewers to complain, or even CNN viewers. Not in big numbers anyway.

[LaurenG]

14. Honestly I think that is taking it too far... it would be a way for her to keep herself in the

public eye, maybe forgiving him for being a do-do head would work more in her favor though.

[madfloridian]

16. This needs to be very visible....like on the greatest page.

.

[MadBadger]

20. Then more people need to Recommend.

[chimpymustgo]

58. Too bad it's not true. Has Obamanation's reading comprehension been distorted by the BAM!?

She's calling for the network to look at its overall behavior and general Hillary hating. Tweety, Morning Blow...guilty as HELL. Shuster is actually one of the fairer ones. But they all get their licks in on the Clintons.

[madfloridian]

85. She said the suspension was not enough. Sounds like she wants him fired.

If not true she should clarify.

[chimpymustgo]

149. Her meaning is clear. Plain. Simple. English. nt

nt

[grasswire]

17. I'm done with Hillary.

I was leaning toward her until this came up. Damn it! What can she gain from this constant bickering over one thing or another?

Show a little grace. Accept the apology and get this off the news cycle. Or else we might be forced to think that the Clintons are GETTING SOMETHING out of the episode.

[xultar]

24. You were never leaning towards her if this is all it takes. B 4 REAL.

[K Gardner]

102. No, this is where you're wrong. Its her twisted sense of entitlement and pathetic pity ploys and

manipulative b/s like this which makes people absolutely HATE her. If you don't think people, millions of people, detest this woman, you are not seeing reality. I used to wonder why people despised the Clintons. I found no fault with them whatsoever. But this is why, and it only takes taking off the rose-colored glasses to see her for what she is: her own worst enemy.

[xultar]

120. *yawn*

[creeksneakers2]

189. Sense of entitlement?

Like thinking she shouldn't have to put up with being called a pimp on national television?

The Clintons have been at the spear point of a war against the right wing since 1992. Media smears have been used against them constantly. She isn't calling herself a victim. She's fighting back against the outrageous way she is treated. She's fighting against the evil power that pollutes our national discourse. She's fighting for the left.

One of the reasons I most fear Obama supporters being in charge of anything is they don't have a clue about how things work or what to do about problems. If Hillary doesn't get the nod Obama will be next in line to be slimed by the mainstream media. Then Obama supporters will come begging for complaint E-mails to be sent and outrage to blossom. Will they get support from Hillary backers?

Yes, because we know that the right wing is the real enemy. We know we are outnumbered and we have to stick together against the media slime machine or the right wing will continue to control everything.

Some of us understand we are all in the same boat. Some don't. The ones who understand ought to be the ones who steer the ship. The ones who want to start fights between the passengers should be thrown overboard, if necessary.

[rodeodance]

191. looks like your bitterness has overtaken your good sense--see this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4510989&mesg_id=4510989

[grasswire]

106. I supported Edwards. Then I leaned towards Hillary.

Now I am beginning to think the Clintons are addicted to drama, and I can't take eight more years of drama. I've fought for the Clintons since the very day Lewinsky's name made the news. But I've lost a lot of respect for both Bill and Hillary in this campaign. It's just too unpresidential, all this spectacle.

The reason I consider this a stunt is that the Clintons allowed members of the punditry to say the most awful things about their daughter and themselves for years. They said that Bill was molesting his daughter, they said that Bill and Hillary were molesting her, they claimed that the WH Christmas tree was decorated with condoms, they called Chelsea a dog, on and on and on.

I don't recall Hillary standing up against that abuse at any time. I don't recall her getting on her motherly high horse then. She took the abuse like a battered woman does. In silence. For years.

Maybe her strategists see a reason for this. I honestly think it's going to hurt her.

[TwilightGardener]

28. This will be indicative of how she acts during her Presidency. One drama

after another, often manufactured or caused by her or Bill. So, so tired of these people.

[MonkeyFunk]

59. I wish ALL our candidates

would act like this. Fight back when they get dirty.

It makes me love her even more - no politician ever hurt himself by defending his family.

[TwilightGardener]

76. It's ginned up. I have absolutely no problem with her writing to them and complaining--

but MSNBC took action. Enough already, or it starts to look like a hissy-fit for attention and political advantage.

[MonkeyFunk]

179. And if they'd offended your candidate

you'd be standing and cheering if he fought back.

The notion that Democrats are offended when a Dem stands up for her family is just ridiculous to me. She's not ginning anything up - she's fighting. And that's why I love her!

I KNOW with certainty that if he'd said Obama was pimping his wife, there'd be an uproar here. Shuster would be called racist, sexist and an asshole who deserved to be strung up by his balls.

Honestly, I wish people could take off their partisan glasses once in awhile and see this for what it is - a MSM attack against a democrat, and a democrat who fought back.

[otohara]

142. That's What I'm Beginning To Wonder

uniting the country one drama at a time.

[Kahuna]

157. Tears and tantrums. Tears and tantrums. Can't wait...

:puke:

[Enrique]

19. no, she's saying they have to look at the whole network

and see why this kind of thing keeps happening.

[xultar]

32. ZACTLY...including Tweety. They'll never see it. So don't bother. Why continue to post here

you know this shit is all one way now and if you're not on the train then step the fuck aside.

[LaurenG]

We need to take a look at her motives. If she gave a flying fig about

the dishonesty and BS in the MSM she would have come forward when they totally forgot to mention the rest of the dems. I am not buying this and I sincerely hope she wises up and moves on. Nothing against anyone here but this seems like a game to me.

[otohara]

144. She Should Go After Fox Too

surely they've said some unbecoming things about Chelsea and Sen. Clinton.

[Kahuna]

159. Sean Hannity has a "Stop Hillary" campaign. But nary a peep from

the offended mother hen. Ugh.

[MADem]

21. No, she stated what she wanted IN THE LETTER, if you read it.

I would urge you to look at the pattern of behavior on your network that seems to repeatedly lead to this sort of degrading language.

[FARAFIELD]

22. David Shusters fine with me

So what! he managed to get that Congresscritter from Tennessee about the last soldier killed thats all he ever needs to do. And one more thing, he was right they ARE pimping her out, remember she wont speak to reporters only do certain things, so she is being pimped out, if your definition of that is her role being defined strictly, there you have it.

[dogman]

49. We salute you, dittohead.

If not speaking to reporters makes one a whore, what are those who speak to reporters?

[FARAFIELD]

79. He didnt say she was a whore

He said "pimping her out" which has a specific meaning in current lingo. She wasnts to say she is in the campaign but wont really allow her TOO campaign. Thats pretty much it. When Shuster took on the REpuke that said the surge was working and she couldnt name the last soldier killed in her district WE ALL LOVED THE GUY, he bites hard and we all have to take it, even when he gets the people we like.

[cbayer]

87. "pimping out" in current lingo has to do with making your car cool.

I think he meant it in the good old sense.

[dogman]

93. A pimp provides a whore for a customer.

If he meant something different, an educated person like him should know better than using a word with that connotation. I think he was trying to be as snide as Limbaugh. Rush blasts McCain, that does not make him an ally and I do not love him for it.

[Whisp]

130. and 'the shit' is actually a praise or compliment.

language gets distorted and misused all the time. Did Shuster really mean that Chelsea is a prostitute? not in the real sense but that word is used a lot of times to describe 'selling out' and not necessarily having sex for money.

Media Whores is a word that gets used a lot too. What if my daughter was a newscaster - should I have an aneurism and stomping fit over the many here that like to use that word?

[dogman]

138. We expect distortion from the likes of Rush and Drudge, not professionals.

If your daughter was a newscaster and was broadcasting lies for money or favors, you would have to deal with that fact. There is also a distinct difference between a poster on a site like this and a pundit/reporter on MSNBC. Imagine the out rage if this had been used against another candidate's family member. How is Chelsea selling out by working for the campaign but denying interviews? How long before these got'cha game players would be asking her about Bill and the BJ? It was an asshole remark and the fact that Democrats would defend it is disgusting. I remember when this board had immense praise for President Clinton standing up to Chris Wallace on Fox.

[Whisp]

141. a lot of professionals distorted the facts on pre Iraq war.

in fact most if not all the big talking heads.
they weren't being professional then and none of them got fired for not doing their job - cept Maher and he's a professional ahole most of the time.
but a stupid word like 'pimp' is going to clean up all the media complicity?

[Name removed]

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[SoCalDem]

139. Chelsea's parents want it both ways..

1. she's an adult..not a child
2. SHE was not the OBJECT of the comment
3. it was about her PARENTS having HER call people


They went out of their way to say that she would NOT comment on things, and would be UNAVAILABLE to the press..and then when things got dodgy, she's pushed out front..but still "off limits" in many ways..she cannot be criticized without M&D getting huffy, and acting like she's still the 13 yr old she used to be.

Polictics is not whiffleball... Those who dish it out, must occasionally take it too.
That said, Shuster is done.. He will/would always have that "event" clouding everything he said/says, so I don't think he will be back from his suspension any time soon..

For people who are ready to fight republican smear machines & sink swiftboats, methinks they are a bit too tenderhearted and touchy..

This has all the earmarks of the republican faux-outrage manufacturing company

[monmouth]

23. Here's an opportunity for Barack Obama to be very smart. He has a

wife and young daughters. Even though the girls are not active in the campaign, this would be a great opportunity for him to back HRC on her slamming MSNBC and agree that the media is not serving the American public. It would put the media on notice that this behavior will not be tolerated. Do you now how many women (especially) would be so impressed with that? It would also give a unifying tone to the campaign instead of the sparring going on. Just a thought....

[cbayer]

63. What a great response.

[monmouth]

78. Thank you and welcome to DU...n/t

[cbayer]

83. Thanks. Been here quite a while, but just started posting.

[dogman]

147. There was a news report his campaign has denounced it.

Obviously common sense prevails, unlike some of what individuals here see as a chance to further attack the Clintons.

[creeksneakers2]

192. Great idea!

It sure would help Obama if he gets the nod later to have a united party that won't accept libelous mainstream media broadcasts anymore.

[Levgreee]

25. Considering it was just poor word choice, and he didn't mean to offend with the comment

firing would be totally out of line

[xultar]

37. What if he had said it about Obama? Y'all would be asking for his head and...

his job.

[Levgreee]

91. umm, no I wouldn't. I like how you just make assumptions about what I think

[Kahuna]

160. Bull!!! I've read worse about Obama and Michelle on DU..

Much worse. I never alerted on anyone yet. They have the right to offend. I have the right to be offended. What I don't have is the right to control their speech...even when I'm offended.

[OzarkDem]

45. No, it wasn't an off the cuff remark

He kept interrupting Bill Press to get the quote in. He knew exactly what he was saying.

[MADem]

67. DAVID SCHUSTER used to WORK for FOX NEWS.

He AGGRESSIVELY covered the CLINTON Impeachment and other matters "Clinton"--I don't buy the 'accident' excuse.

He knew what he was saying.

From 1996 - 2002, Shuster was a Washington, D.C. based correspondent for the Fox News Channel. He was at the Pentagon at the time of the September 11, 2001 attacks and led Fox’s coverage of U.S. military operations in Afghanistan. During the Bill Clinton administration, Shuster led Fox’s coverage of the Clinton investigations including Whitewater, the Monica Lewinsky scandal, the Starr Report and the Senate impeachment trial.

Shuster was also a member of Fox’s “You Decide 2000” political team. He spent four months on John McCain’s “Straight Talk Express” bus and was Fox’s lead correspondent for McCain’s presidential campaign.

[OzarkDem]

177. Well, no surprise there

seems logical.

[Medusa]

202. And Shuster has been an outspoken critic of Fox News since he left

and has complained about how he was forced to push agendas he didn't agree with. But I guess it's very convienient for you to avoid all of that and complain that he's still some sort of agent working for the GOP even though he has had a long history of being Dem friendly during his tenure at MSNBC.

Many you Hillbots will twist yourselves into contortions to uphold her deplorable behavior and make no mistake here, trying to get someone fired for telling the damned truth is DEPLORABLE! Who is next? Olbermann? Get ready for it people. If you let them fire one, you're giving her permission to control the media--the same damned thing we have complained about for the past 8 years with the GOP.

[MADem]

210. Well, that's one way to convince a diametrically opposed audience, isn't it?

Like Mitt Romney did--I was for choice, before I was against it...and you MUST believe me now, because I SAY so!

That Clinton Pimping shit was classic "Shuster on Fox." What, did he have a little bout with Reporter's Tourette's, and "inadvertently" go back to his Fauxian ways?

Real smooth, tossing in the "MAN, YOU HILLBOTS" bullshit.

That REALLY makes me want to pay attention to your fucking lousy and whiney little opinions!!!

When the media gets shitty with Obama, I'm first up to defend him. You, though, think it's fine to use words associated with prostitution about a candidate. Real classy, you are.

You also can't fucking read, don't understand that the guy is NOT GOING TO BE FIRED, and yet still, you spin, get hyper and HECTOR people! Hope that Perpetual Victim shit makes you feel real good!!!

Heckuvajob, there, Aptly Named!

[TexasObserver]

29. I hope MSNBC tells Hillary to STFU! What a sorry person she is.

You pimped your daughter out, Hillary. She's 27, a college graduate, and a hedge fund employee. She's in the middle of the superdelegate issue. If you don't want her in the mix, don't put her in the mix.

As usual, Hillary is unreasonable and self serving beyond any reasonable standard.

It will be good to see her rejected by the party faithful.

[MADem]

148. I hope MSNBC tells Barack to STFU!!! What a sorry person he is!

You pimped your wife and kids out, Barack. You and your wife are adults, law school graduates, with massive resumes. He's in the middle of the superdelegate issue. If you don't want her and your kids in the mix, don't put them in the mix.

As usual, Barack is unreasonable and self serving beyond any reasonable standard.

It will be good to see him rejected by the party faithful.


-----------------------------------

See how idiotic that kind of hyperbole sounds?

Naaah, you probably don't. There are none so blind as those who will not see.

[petersjo02]

181. Same thing with Romney

and his five boys. Said they were serving their country by helping him win the White House. And I don't remember a single interview or quote from any of those boys/men. Were they not giving interviews to the media? Was Romney pimping them out? Why was there no commentary from the pundits on the topic of Romney's sons working for him and how inappropriate it was?

[NJSecularist]

30. I thought the Democrats were the party that stood up for freedom of speech

and the Republicans were the party that wanted to censor everything they disagreed with.

I guess not.

He got suspended. Just fucking move on, people.

[TexasObserver]

132. we have a fair share of left leaning fascists, unfortunately

They, like their rightwing counterparts, favor censorship and manipulating media to suit their messages.

[Kahuna]

161. Hillary used to be a republican. Remember? I guess she still

suffers some of its ill effects.

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[uppityperson]

38. Fix the network indeed. Good for her. (doesn't say fire him though).

[MadBadger]

44. She doesnt think the punishment for Shuster is enough.

He was suspended. What is worth than a suspension?

[xultar]

53. YEah punishment without fixing the shit @ the network is bullshit. That is what

she is saying.

[uppityperson]

54. I read this which makes me believe she wants the bigger problem fixed.

no temporary suspension or half-hearted apology is sufficient.

I would urge you to look at the pattern of behavior on your network that seems to repeatedly lead to this sort of degrading language.

There's a lot at stake for our country in this election. Surely, you can do your jobs as journalists and commentators and still keep the discourse civil and appropriate.

MSM IS part of the problem and she's calling them on it. That is what I see and good for her. I don't see her saying "fire Shuster" but "fix the bigger MSM problem".

[xultar]

48. Why are they taking the analysis of a poster as the fucking gospel?

The poster used an inflammatory subject to get the hype, then cherry picked one line to blow up...

I find this so funny because of the OP's bias for Obama.

[uppityperson]

64. Yup, obvious to me that she wants the bigger MSM problem fixed.

I don't how this poster's leaning, and don't think much of anyone here knows mine either. I'm keeping an open mind about both, and will say "good for whomever" when they do something right. MSM IS part of the problem and good for whomever calls them on it. It would be nice to get MSM issues out in the open now, sooner rather than later, as maybe they can be curtailed a bit.

[xultar]

88. You can't tell the OP's leaning? rofl

[uppityperson]

95. I don't look closely at avatars usually.

I hate it when DU goes on level whatever and the avatars disappear because I use them to visualize whom I'm reading/replying to. That said, lots of times I don't notice/define what they are (or generalize them, or look at shape). Looking to OP, I guess having an Obama avatar is telling though, as is the big OBAMA thing at the sig line.

[bluestateguy]

41. I think a suspension is satisfactory

What he said was despicable, but I've also heard MSM types say far worse things and get away with it.

[xultar]

55. She's asking them to fix the culture @ the network that makes this possible with the suspension..

where did the OP get fire him come out of that letter?

[Adelante]

43. uh uh uh

There's a time to stop.

[Yael]

51. Milk it Hillary!

Meanwhile, Obama is spending time in Maine talking to voters about healthcare and education.

Whatever works for your campaign strategy!

[Skidmore]

57. Well, we now know where she'll stand on First Amendment issues.

[xultar]

69. IF he had said this about OBama pimpin out his Wife, Daughter, Sister, Auntie...

where would you be on this?

[FARAFIELD]

97. And if my aunt was a man

HE would be my uncle, its time to just accept Chelseas role in the Campaign, If she isnt adept as speaking (which i seriously doubt_ they shouldnt use her. My mother asked me about her a month ago why use her and not let her talk and used similar meaning language (although it would have been funny to hear my mom say "pimp her out") Hillary is way off her, KO handled it OBAMA is going to rout her while she is going on about this. SHe should be somewhere getting votes. Im for Obama but would love her as a candidate as well, but damn this just reinforces. And as far as what would OBAMA DO? He woudlnt write a letter I tell you that.

[xultar]

112. I think he would. Going on the record for someone insulting your children is important.

Especially for someone who is supposed to be responsible enough to bring the facts to the people in a news setting.

[FARAFIELD]

127. When I said he wouldnt write a letter

I meant more along the lines of talking to him personally or to the public and letting him know where he stood on the issue. I was going to say that it would be more like a Harry Truman response. But Truman DID write a letter to that critic about his daughters singing, still funny!

[JAbuchan08]

183. Obama's kid are like, six and nine

Chelsea is twenty six. George Bush is fifty-something. Bush Sr. looks ridiculous when he comes to his son's aide, Barak would look righteous, and Hillary just looks over-sensitive. Schuster was using "pimped out" as a metaphor, and while that may be somewhat harsh - it is not an uncommon usage - and it's not unheard of for this slang-usage to be applied to men as well. So while it is insensitive and offensive and sexist, the comment was just not BAD enough to cause this much outrage. Just send out a press-release that says, "we object to Schusters charactarization and demand an apology." They could have been low-key and avoided hard-feelings but they've got to srawl a scarlett S on Schusters clothes as a warning to everyone else.
This reeks of outrage mongering.

[BadgerLaw2010]

121. What issue? The First Amendment confers no protections to you from your employer.

Not suprised that an Obamababy can't grasp this concept.

[mondo joe]

133. This is not a first amendment issue.

Go read the First Amendment. You will benefit.

[cottonseed]

60. Headline: Hillary beats Shuster. Now back to that primary thingee.

nt

[Cleita]

61. Why single out Shuster?

Many of those guys need to be called up on the carpet to examine what they say. I don't consider Shuster to be the worst offender but part of what has been a trend to take pot shots at Chelsea that started in the year 2000.

[xultar]

66. She isn't, she said a pattern of behavior, oh by the way this is the latest. FIX the shit.

[mondo joe]

86. And the PATTERN ought to be looked at, and ought to be stopped. NT

[saracat]

62. Great letter! Good for Hillary. I applaud her!

[UALRBSofL]

84. The tragedy of this is

All the men posting disagree with theletter but the women agree with the letter. Can you see that the men posting give him a pass on calling Hillary's daughter a pimp?

[K Gardner]

108. This woman doesn't agree with it. Leave the broad brush at the door.

[Kahuna]

163. Another women that doesn't agree with it. I don't claim to be strong..

and then get all fainty and misty at the drop of a dime like some people.

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[Zueda]

72. I would say this is unbelievable...

but it is actually typical of Clinton Inc.

What is unbelievable is that some DUers are actually cheering at this type of censorship.

[tokenlib]

75. And she thought the right wing was bad... n/t

[cbayer]

81. As a mother, I support her.

I am undecided, but I find standing up for your daughter quite admirable. If someone publicly called my daughter a whore, I don't think I would be quite so gracious.

[MH1]

82. What a f---ing drama queen.

I want my party back. Now.

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[saracat]

126. Can you even imagine the upraor if they said the Obama Campign was "pimping out" his wife

or daughters?

[saracat]

128. And Obama wasn't a "Drama queen" when he made a mountain out of a molehill implying

Bill Clinton was a racist for mentioning Jesse Jackson's SC win? Gimme a break!

[NorthernSpy]

171. Wrong. The point was that the Clintons were making a not-very-subtle attempt...

... to encourage racial polarization by comparing Obama to Jesse Jackson.


It was a valid point.


Reformulating that as HE CALLED BILL CLINTON A RACIST!!!111!1! is just dishonest.

[saracat]

173. I did not say he "called Bill Clinton a racist" I said it was " intimated"

and you are intimating the very same thing with the suggestion that Bill's remarks were made to encourage "racial polarization".

[EFerrari]

89. Because they haven't done ENOUGH damage yet.

Go, Hil!

[K Gardner]

92. I would think this was a JOKE or satire if I didn't know Clinton so well. Without a doubt, the most

conniving, despicable woman ever to hit the political scene. The fact that people are applauding her behavior is deplorable. Unfucking real.

[uppityperson]

99. To all tempted to just reply, READ the letter first and draw your own conclusions.

simple advice.

[hill08]

100. he should be fired.

He pulled an Imus and has to go. If not, then I have the right to say that Obama is pimping out his wife and Oprah.

[rndmprsn]

101. tempest in a teapot...

is this all she has?

[yardwork]

103. I think that this is an awesome letter and I think every Democrat should support it.

This is exactly what every Democrat should demand:

I would urge you to look at the pattern of behavior on your network that seems to repeatedly lead to this sort of degrading language.

There's a lot at stake for our country in this election. Surely, you can do your jobs as journalists and commentators and still keep the discourse civil and appropriate.

[Blue State Bandit]

104. KILL THE MESSENGER!!!!!!

Though I think Shuster could have used a more enlightened term like miss-appropriated (to put to a wrong use), pimped is a term used to describe just such an action.

He is guilty of a bad choice of words, that's all. White guys in suit and ties should refrain from ebonics for this reason in particular.

That being said, it seems like Hillary is misusing the situation to silence MSNBC.

Loosely translated; Hilldog's tryin' to pimp out MSNBC.

But "SHE" is the one who wants to debate on FOX!

[Tom Rinaldo]

109. Honestly I think it's too soon to conclude that

For one thing "lose his job" "dismissed" or "fired" was avoided in this letter. For another thing I suspect the use of a technically redundent term; "temporary suspension" may be a clue. If a suspension option was completely off the table that was all she had to say. This may be a signal that a one week "slap on the wrist" type thing was a no starter.

It would have been easy for Clinton to demand Shuster be fired if that were her firm position. Plenty of people demanded exactly that with Imus. This allows wiggle room and I think it does so intentionally.

I think this was a hard ball use of a strong opening position to make sure she had MNBC's full attention and to make sure they knew she is really serious about being really upset over this incident and will not tolerate more like it in the future. I expect the final resolution will still involve Shuster returning to work at that network after a decent interval of time has passed. That is my prediction anyway. After she has made her point firmly Clinton can take a more gracious posture.

That is what I would urge her to do anyway and I still think that is likely.

[BadgerLaw2010]

117. Pull that shit in most jobs and you would be fired so fast your head would spin.

[senseandsensibility]

134. Absolutely

As a public school teacher, I would be fired. Most teachers in my district are young and inexperienced (at least fifteen years younger than Shuster) and perhaps more used to this kind of language than he is. But they know not to use it in the classroom or about others, even among adults in the workplace. How do they know? They're professionals. They don't have anyone writing for them, they don't have personal assistants, they don't even have lunch breaks half the time, but they know better than this. And all for probably a tenth of what Shuster makes, or less.

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

118. She's just ticked because David brought this Superdelegate issue to our attention.

McCain insulted Chelsea worse, and the Clintons got over that quite easily.

[Botany]

119. Trying to make the Mt. out of a molehill Hillary?

How about when you said if you vote for Obama the "terrorists win," in
New Hampshire? That was right out of Rove's playbook. Something about when
Gordon Brown took over as P.M. in the U.K. you pointed out that al Qaeda
attacked .... and that would happen if your royal ass isn't elected.

Now I found that really objectional .... part of a pattern of objectional behavior
from your campaign .... Johnson, Bubba, Bob Kerry, ....

*********************************************************
Yes the wording was awful but it was not meant in a hurtful way .....
pimp has become part of everyday vernacular slang ....

pimp mobile ..... he is looking pimp ..... I was pimping for the music stores .... wanna a C.D.?
Pimp Daddy ...... low rent yes but meant to be hurtful .... no. Now the words Ho, bitch, and
others words are meant to hurt ..... sadly pimp has become a part of our day to day lexicon.


What was stupid on Schuster's part was his dismissive a way about what Chelsea was doing ....
pure stupid ...... SHE WAS WORKING THE PHONES FOR HER MOM'S CAMPAIGN ...... BIG FUCKING
DEAL.

[Serial Mom]

123. She should then ask for this man to be FIRED!

She should NOT be nice to or friends with person who made CRUDER remarks about Chelsea

from Crooks & Liars

John McCain made this odious joke about Chelsea Clinton back in ‘98.

Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno.”

– Sen. John McCain, speaking to a Republican dinner, June 1998.

Not only is McCain’s hideous attempt at humor about 10 times more tasteless than what Shuster said (as the David Corn article notes, newspapers that reported on the joke wouldn’t even print it), but while the newsman’s ill-conceived comment was at least spontaneous, McCain’s joke was a prepared remark to a public audience.

[creeksneakers2]

195. Hillary is going to get rid of John McCain too

This November.

[1776Forever]

124. Well they didn't fire Bill for having relations with Monica in the Oval Office - Mercy?????

Can you forgive this Hillary and move on. I don't think taking his job from him does anyone any good. The apology should be followed up with not having him on the cable shows on MSNBC but not firing him. Give him some mercy!!!O8)

[BlueJac]

125. I can't stand Hillary..............

nothing surprises me.

[TankLV]

135. And can you blame her - any RATIONAL person would want the same...

Any person who values FAIRNESS and DECENCY would demand the same...

[Kahuna]

140. Hillary wants to deprive someone of their job?????? What a gal!!

And for the record, Shuster was totally pro-Hillary. She reeks. I can't imagine Obama doing something like this. She just want a faux issue to get women to vote for her. Afterall, she dare not use tears a third time.

[progdog]

151. Thank you!

How dare she try to deprive someone of their career. Let it go.

[Tom Rinaldo]

150. I just noticed this: "...or half-hearted apology is sufficient."

I now suspect this letter was written after Shuster tried to get away with giving a classic non apology apology in the morning, before he gave his second apology in the evening.

After refusing to apologize in an email exchange with Hillary's campaign on Thursday night, and then doing his, as he said "housecleaning" in the morning rather than a full apology, she must have been really possed. In the moring Shuster said he used a slang term and that he understands some people might not have heard it the way he intended and if that was the case and it offended anyone THEN he apologized to those people (without apologizing directly to the people who were the pimp and the whore in his slang analogy).

THAT was a half-hearted apology. It was not sufficient. Hillary was right. I read the apology that Shuster gave in the evening and that one reads like a real apology.

[VarnettaTuckpocket]

152. I like how she talks about the pattern, not just the single comment

There is no reason why they can't learn to discuss Clinton's candidacy without making debasing remarks about to her gender. We've just become accustomed to the trash talk, I'm glad she's playing hardball to end it. At least on one network to start with, and the others will get the message as well.

[kdpeters]

153. Did you read the next line?

I would urge you to look at the pattern of behavior on your network that seems to repeatedly lead to this sort of degrading language.

I really do think THAT is the point here. Chris Matthews has to be reeled in. There is ample documentation on Media Matters and a few from other commentators to support this stance. She's saying there is a problem with MSNBC and their policies much bigger than David Shuster. I'm inclined to agree with Hillary on this if I don't agree with her on anything else.

Gobama!

[TacticalPeek]

156. If she wanted to say 'fire him', she would say so. She didn't, so this title is a lie.

Deliberate misunderstanding and misinterpretation have a motive, and it's plainly obvious here.

Looks like Hillary wants cable political 'news' fixed.

[skooooo]

165. this will backfire on her

[napi21]

167. I can sure understand why Hillary is upset! The Schuster thing was

certainly not the first disgusting comment made by an MSNBC guy either. Matthews has made several, Tucker has too! I don't listen to MSNBC during the day, and I wouldn't be surprised that some very unprofessional comments by the daytime talkers too. I'm not sure if Schuster should be fired, but I think we're dealing with feelings that coome very naturally to most people. Say what you want about ME, but stay away from my kids!

[ray of light]

174. Obama supporter here too...and I want him FIRED too! Tell him to go "pimp' his resume.

Maybe the White House is in need of some more male hookers.

[Samantha]

176. I will catch it for this, BUT, Schuster used "pimp" as a verb

Thus, the essence of the verbal spitball was thrown at the parents, not the child.

His sentence, keeping in mind the verb, obviously had a political connotation, not a sexual one. I do not think anyone can dispute this.

An apology by Schuster for the misunderstanding should suffice.

Bill Clinton himself has a history with people quibbling over his verb usage. Specifically, that verb, "is", was used in Bill Clinton's sentence in a sexual connotation designed to mislead the public about a controversial situation; Schuster's was not.

Bill Clinton was not FIRED from his job, although many demanded he bow out.

If a POTUS can make a misleading statement as a result of his questionable verb, why cannot a commentator? Seems like a double-standard to me.

I am sure this analysis might seem somewhat grammatically anal to those outside of the Beltway, but this is what we Washingtonians do, we parse the use of our words very carefully.

And for my use of the word "anal" above -- I apologize to those I might have offended. :-(

[MADem]

198. Uh, you don't PIMP a potted plant. You PIMP a WHORE.

So, the essence of the "verbal spitball" was thrown at the parents and their "whore" of an adult child.

Bill Clinton withstood the impeachment process, which is a referendum on firing.

That said, no one is calling for Shuster to be fired, even though a bunch of people here want to claim that's the case.

Look downthread. Rodeodance has posted the definitive "No Shuster Firing" report.

And if you think there's a double standard happening here, I think you have a little problem distinguishing between those who are IN political life, and those who are RELATED to those in political life.

[Samantha]

203. As I said, his sentence was made in a political context not a

sexual one, and it is not unusual for writers to take a literary license with words. So I stand by my statement they do have a double standard in play. That verb was intended to imply, in context, that Chelsea was being used to assist in the procurement of superdelegates votes for Hillary Clinton AND NOTHING ELSE. And that is the number one definition of "pimp" in my Webster's dictionary: "Procurer."

[MADem]

208. Yeah, procurer, all right...of sexual services.

Your dictionary is a bit "off" from most, including the online version of your cited tome: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pimp

Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source - Share This
pimp /pɪmp/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. a person, esp. a man, who solicits customers for a prostitute or a brothel, usually in return for a share of the earnings; pander; procurer.
2. a despicable person.
3. Australia and New Zealand. an informer; stool pigeon.
–verb (used without object) 4. to act as a pimp.
–verb (used with object) 5. to act as a pimp for.
6. to exploit.


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n. One who finds customers for a prostitute; a procurer.

intr.v. pimped, pimp·ing, pimps
To serve as a procurer of prostitutes.





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pimp

1607, perhaps from M.Fr. pimper "to dress elegantly" (16c.), prp. of pimpant "alluring in dress, seductive." Weekley suggests M.Fr. pimpreneau, defined in Cotgrave (1611) as "a knave, rascall, varlet, scoundrell." The word also means "informer, stool pigeon" in Australia and New Zealand and in S.Africa, where by early 1960s it existed in Swahili form impimpsi. The verb is attested from 1636. Pimpmobile first recorded 1973.

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noun
1. someone who procures customers for whores (in England they call a pimp a ponce)

verb
1. arrange for sexual partners for others

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Main Entry: pimp
Function: intransitive verb
: to work as a pimp —compare PANDERING
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Main Entry: pimp
Pronunciation: 'pimp
Function: noun
: one who derives income from the earnings of a prostitute usually by soliciting business —compare PANDERER

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[Sparkly]

180. She didn't say anything about firing Shuster.

She asks them to stop the pattern of inappropriate remarks on the network (well documented at Media Matters). That doesn't necessarily mean firing anybody, but in setting and enforcing policy.

Right after the sentence you bolded:

I would urge you to look at the pattern of behavior on your network that seems to repeatedly lead to this sort of degrading language.

There's a lot at stake for our country in this election. Surely, you can do your jobs as journalists and commentators and still keep the discourse civil and appropriate.

I don't see any "And furthermore, fire Shuster."

[rodeodance]

193. Yes, you are right--see here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4510989&mesg_id=4510989

[alfredo]

182. She's showing them that she will fight back to protect her family, and

by extension, the country.

[moondust]

187. Why do some call her Hitlery?

[Cameron27]

194. Because they're assholes.

[MADem]

199. Because they're rightwing troll assholes. Why do you think? NT

[rodeodance]

188. CORRECTION-SEE HERE

Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject Clinton Campaign Not Looking for Shuster to Be Fired, After All
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4510989#4510989
4510989, Clinton Campaign Not Looking for Shuster to Be Fired, After All
Posted by MassDemm on Sat Feb-09-08 09:02 PM

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/clinton-campa-1.html

February 09, 2008 9:07 PM

After some conversations with folks at the Clinton campaign, I can offer some clarity -- maybe -- on what they're asking NBC/MSNBC to do.

And despite Clinton's letter, saying David Martin Shuster's apology and suspension was not sufficient, Clinton's goal is not for NBC to fire Shuster, he and his fans will be happy to hear. Until Thursday, the Clinton campaign had no issues with Shuster, I'm told.

The campaign says it has more to do with what it sees as a sexist, locker room, on-air atmosphere at MSNBC.

Clinton supporters ask: what other network has had, within the space of one year, because of comments widely seen as boorish and inappropriate, a firing (Imus), an on-air apology (Chris Matthews) and a suspension (Shuster)?

[MADem]

197. HOW many assholes will now say "OOOPS...we were WRONG?"

Tap, tap, tap.....tick, tock, tick, tock....

I'm hearing this noise....

http://www.naturesongs.com/cricket1.wav

[mutant80]

207. MSNBC suspended their liberal, and their Right Wing Whore Tweety remains

they wouldn't dare touch Tweety. The Right Wing would be on their ass.
Shuster is basically liberal. He did a crappy thing - but he was serving
as a foil for Bill Press who is liberal.
He knew Press would come in and correct him.
Shuster was obviously under pressure from MSNBC like all bloviators.
They take orders from the Executive Producer.
He/She should have gotten the axe.

[MADem]

209. Liberal? You actually believe Shuster is a liberal?

Were his four years at Fox News just a youthful indiscretion? His enthusiastic reports about Whitewater, Monica, impeachment? How about his six gleeful months on the Straight Talk Express?

If ANYTHING, Shuster is a moderate. A centrist. But he might be a McCain maverick....for all you -- or any of us-- actually know about him.

That PIMP word came out of his mouth. No producer 'forced' him to say that, and if they did, he should be fired for being a moron.

That said, Shuster doesn't have a show, and he isn't going to be fired. Tweety was forced to apologize, as well. He wasn't suspended because he's responsible for two hours of daily programming, and an hour on Sunday. They can't afford to fill in fifteen hours with guest putzes for any amount of time.

The GE MSGOP-NBC family will just have to find another way to peck and jab at Clinton, I guess. The sleazy gender jokes and insults aren't going to be tolerated anymore.