If Dean thinks there will be a "deal" - he's delusional, it's going to the convention

[Herman Munster]

Hillary has latinos, women, and downscale dems soundly in her corner. They will demand she fights for their interests all the way to the convention.

Obama has blacks, young people, and upscale dems soundly in his corner. They will demand he fights for their interests all the way to the convention.

If either candidate wins without the other on the ticket, half the party will be pissed off and John McCain wins. People say well if Hillary is at the top of the ticket young people, blacks, and indies won't vote for her. Well, I tell you old people, latinos, and downscale white dems will be reluctant to vote for an untested cult of personality candidate over a genuine war hero who has decades of political experience with all our problems in the world.

The only ticket that will unify the party is Clinton-Obama. The superdelegates will respect Clinton's 35 years of experience and give her the top slot. Obama will be her VP and he will accept under enormous pressure from the party big-wigs to unify the party or face the repercussions for dividing the party. i.e. he will lose any and all establishment support for future white house bids.

[AX10]

1. K & R!

As you said, it goes both ways.
Obama is not the king here. We Hillary supporters are going to have our say too.

[joshcryer]

2. The super delegates will more than likely vote for the one with the most pledged delegates.

This is why I don't think Hillary has a chance of winning, Obama will take the pledged delegate lead and have a very clear majority soon.

If Hillary has more of the popular vote, it'll be used as an argument to give it to her, but I think given how the party dynamics work, it won't work.

[Herman Munster]

5. no because the supers will vote their states interests

Hillary is winning where democrats live - NY, California, Massachusetts, Florida, and soon Ohio, Pennsylvania as well as Arizona, Nevada, Texas where latino support is critical.

Nobody gives a fuck that 18,000 democrats in Idaho caucus for Obama.

[joshcryer]

7. Tell that to the delegates who would be seated, and would be very pissed if it didn't go their way.

Only to leave the DNC and go straight to reporters to tell everyone how they weren't counted and so on.

[griffi94]

9. yep

obama won big in the south ....bfd...the south will still be as red as a baboons ass after nov.

[joshcryer]

11. Eh, doesn't matter, superdelegates have always supported the frontrunner.

How the superdelegates decide who the frontrunner is is going to be very interesting, since it'll be very close.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

3. welcome back to 1980....bite your tongue! Were you around for that?

[Danger Mouse]

4. I think a Clinton - Obama ticket would be a good thing, personally.

[madfloridian]

6. Hey....

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1816

[liberalnurse]

8. Hillary will take it to the Convention if needed.....

and win with the super-delegates. Even Obama's early pledges will flip if they think Obama would win. They will not face a Presidency with an inexperienced leader. The status quo in the D.C Beltway will demoralize the Congressional Democrats with young Barak in training.

They will all flip! Hahahaha

So, I see it coming to a brokered deal with Dean the Moderator....Happening after March 4th. Clinton will take Ohio in a landslide. That will be Obama's shoe-drop moment.

Deal...it will be Clinton/Obama ticket.

[comradebillyboy]

10. If Hillary wins big in Texas and Ohio then a deal is likely

if Hillary loses Texas and Ohio, she will be in big trouble and Obama won't see any need to make a deal.

Personally I would love a Hillary/Obama ticket

[joshcryer]

13. Agreed, but she has to win by at least a 30-40% margin, which I don't find likely.

Otherwise Obama would still be in it with his delegate counts.

[Cosmocat]

15. Yeah ...

I don't agree that Obama's pledges will flip, but I do agree that the Super Delegates are going to break Hills way, unless Obama has a substantive lead with the commmitteed delegates ...

It won't happen in March ... Obama will get enough cushion in the next week or so to buffer losses in Ohio or Texas ... I also don't agree that Hill takes Ohio in a landslide ... Obama has a very clear pattern of being able to make up a lot of ground on her if he has time to campaign ...

I think it will be tight past PA in April ...

No WAY Hill takes any deal that does not end with her being the top dog, and I remain unconvinced she will take Obama with her ... Also, I think based on his message, Obama loses credibility if he takes Hill as his VP candidate ...

Florida and Michigan have this thing a REAL mess ...

[liberalnurse]

20. Several are flipping already.

I just heard on CNN but didn't catch the name. It will be repeated I'm sure.

[David Zephyr]

12. Herman Munster makes touches on "race" in yet another thread. What a shocker.

Dude, you have a real problem with race and it isn't pretty.

[Kermitt Gribble]

17. I don't see any "touches on race" in the OP

You're really reaching.



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[napi21]

14. I don't think it will go to the convention. That's the Media's wet dream!

I honestly believe the voters will have chosen a candidate long before that. There are still quite a few large States that still have to hold their primary's. It's silly of us to fall for this media hype of a brokered convention.

I got the impression that Dean was talking about "a deal" with Fl & MI, NOT between the candidates!

[iamjoy]

16. Clinton-Obama? No Deal

I don't think that's a good idea, or very likely

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4497226&mesg_id=4497356

[Kermitt Gribble]

19. So,

if it happens that the DNC insists on this deal, you would not support it? You would hope your candidate doesn't support it?

[iamjoy]

23. What A Bizarre Question

How do you figure that I would not support a Clinton-Obama ticket? All I said was I didn't think it was a good idea or that it was likely to happen anyway. I also said I could be wrong. Hey, whatver happens, I would support (with time and money) our nominee. But really, only about 60% of the states have voted. It's six months before the convention, nine months before the general election. Why the rush?

[Kermitt Gribble]

18. I would love to see a Clinton/Obama ticket.

8 years of Hillary followed by 8 years of Barrack would be a wonderful thing, IMO.

[Colobo]

21. Obama-Clinton is a better choice than Clinton-Obama.

[KittyWampus]

22. Obama would do better to wait for Clinton to possibly lose and then run again in 2012

Why would he want to be a seat warmer?