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OmahaBlueDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:21 PM
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The Nebraska Caucus (Candidate Neutral)
Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 01:27 PM by OmahaBlueDog
I just got back from the Nebraska Caucus. I caucused in a Steamfitters local on the west side of Omaha. Turnout was good and we were all shocked to see this many Dems in Omaha.

I'm not posting this to indicate who I thought won, but I did want to share some observations. Apparently, this is the first time the caucus process has been used in Nebraska. If we eventually decide to have caucuses in Michigan and Florida, I would urge them to do two things. First, try to have the caucus on a Saturday; no matter which day you choose, it will be bound to disenfranchise someone who can't attend because they work, have prior commitments, are out of town , etc. Second, get venues that hold twice as many people and have twice as much parking as you possibly expect. The Union hall we used was in an industrial neighborhood. There were a lot of closed businesses, but some were open (and doubtless some were Republicans) and got snarky about allowing parking.

If we have caucuses in Florida and Michigan, the attendees should expect chaos. In Nebraska, the rules were apparently allowing "Democrat for a day" registration, so GOP and Indy voters participate, which I'm not thrilled about. I was also shocked that the roll checkers did not check IDs; I could have brought any woman over 18 and had her state she was my wife and no one would have been wiser. We were all given blue ballots, which some roll checkers filled out with reg # and precinct, but others did not. There was a blank space that said "Presidential Preference"; some put the name of their preferred candidate, while others (apparently misunderstanding) put down "Democrat". Once enrolled, we went to rooms (more or less randomly). Once in the rooms, it was like a middle school dance. Obama supporters on one side, Clinton on the other, and undecideds in the middle. At the start, the room picked a chairman to preside, and then each side selects a spokes person to talk up their candidate to the room for a minute and a half; you've met these people for 30 seconds, and now you have to choose one to be "preference leader" and speak, and then after speaking, try to sell your candidate to the undecided. This went on for two rounds, and (after some confusion about how many people were actually in the room). Then we turned in our blue slips to the "preference leaders." At the end, they passed a hat (literally) and took a collection to help defray expenses. All told, it was about 1 1/2 hours.

If we do this in Florida and Michigan, I have advice for supporters of both candidates:
1. Before you go, brush up on your candidates basic talking points and strengths. You may just end up having to talk at your caucus.
2. Go early.
3. Take the time and learn where you are supposed to caucus, and realize that (most likely) it will not be the place where you usually vote. Actually look it up! I got a robot call from the party, and if I'd listened to it, I would have gone to the wrong caucus location.
4. To point #1; if you are the local organizer for your candidate, try to train a cadre of speakers to speak for 1.5 minutes on behalf of your candidate, and tell them to volunteer when "preference leaders" are chosen.

If we do this in Florida and Michigan, I have advice for the local party:
1. As stated, get a place with a lot of parking (and I mean a lot) and capacity for 2x as many people as you expect. If your area has a dead Wal-Mart store, see if you can rent it for a day. Otherwise, a school (if you can use several rooms), a community college, etc. If you have to use a place with parking issues, make arrangements and rent or beg for a lot to use. Most of us could have easily had our cars towed if someone had had a mind to do so.

2. Send out fliers letting people know what to expect, how the process works, how to look up your location, etc.

3. Don't just tell people to pick a room. Herd people into rooms and count them as they enter. Pick a fixed number for each room (say 100) to simplify counting for the folks inside.

There was not much inter candidate sniping, and our room stayed pretty good natured. I would caution that I heard a couple having their candidate's lawn signs torched (probably kids), so we'll probably all have to brace for a long 2008.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:25 PM
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1. So... Who won?
And people had signs torched? :wtf:
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F.Gordon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:32 PM
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3. Obama won and it was Clinton signs that were torched
Yes, I'm the amazing Frookdini. I'll be performing here all week. Please remember to tip your server.
:hi:
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:33 PM
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5. OK
What just happened? :rofl:

I've heard about stolen signs. Run over signs. Destroyed signes. I've never heard about torched signs. How do you torch a plastic bag sign? I don't want to know.
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OmahaBlueDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:35 PM
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7. Delete
Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 01:36 PM by OmahaBlueDog
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OmahaBlueDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:35 PM
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8. I am not implying the Obama supporters torched the Clinton signs
and that was not the implication of the people I spoke with.
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F.Gordon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:39 PM
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13. I never said that Obama supporters torched the Clinton signs
It was a just an easy guess that it was a Clinton sign that got torched. The Amazing Frookdini can't see everything.
:crazy:
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OmahaBlueDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:32 PM
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4. We were all in rooms, so I can't say who won overall
Obama appeared to win our room (I wasn't there for the final count of blue slips of paper). I think his speech made a big impression. I can make an educated estimate thar Obama won the room about 50-40. One surprise -- almost all those who stood in the middle of the room as undecided broke for Hillary.

I talked to a couple who said they were putting a lawn sign in their window because their lawn signs had been torched. We agreed it was probably kids, but they mentioned (and keep in mind, this was a straight couple) that there is homophobia among their neighbors.

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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:34 PM
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6. Who torches signs?
What the hell is that about? That's insane.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 02:55 PM
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19. repukes, that's who
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:38 PM
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12. People
who are undecided tend to go with the "safe choice". Hillary is the safe choice. People feel used to her because she's been in the public spotlight so long. They still don't like her (which is why they are undecided), but they are used to her and she is "safe." Not surprising.
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:28 PM
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2. I hope the Clinton campaign fights the caucus idea in Fl.
The fact that anyone can get in a caucus is why Obama keeps winning caucuses. I know the republicans have been up to mischief trying to interfere with our process, because a friend in a caucus state told me who was let in and who they were voting for, because they knew some of the people, and knew they were republicans. This has been wrong from the gitgo and, somehow, we should have stopped it.
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:36 PM
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9. Hmm, have a problem with debating the issues and touting your candidate with voters?
Apparently, and for the most part, hillary loses when debate ensues based upon the results thus far.

Doesn't really speak to well for Hillary's position on the issues.
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:36 PM
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11. I have never voted in a caucus
It sounds like too much chaos. I prefer to go vote and leave. Thanks for sharing your experience.
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never_get_over_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:43 PM
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14. Holy shit
THANK YOU - I have been struggling for DAYS to figure out why there is such a big freaking difference between Clinton and Obama when I really think this thing is pretty much tied up - and you may just be on to something - my theory is it might be the Bradley effect since the vote is not anonymous - but I actually like your theory better....

I don't know but it sure looks strange to me that so far Obama has won 7 out of 8 caucuses

Leaving Florida and MI aside for now there have been 26 races through Tuesday - 8 caucuses and 18 primaries - Obama has won 7 of 8 caucuses and he has won 8 out of 18 primaries or maybe 9 out of 18 depending on where NM ends up - to me virtually tied - WHY the HUGE difference in caucuses - I'd expect it to be more like 5 out of 8 even 4 to 8 or something - just seems really strange to me

As for Florida - and I voted in Florida - I say seat the delegates as we voted on the 29th - ALL CANDIDATES were on the ballot and BOTH Clinton and Obama "broke" the rules

as for MI good luck....
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OmahaBlueDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 02:42 PM
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17. Mixed feelings
As it stands now, we've disenfranchised Florida and Michigan. I really think Dr/Gov Dean made a bad call on that one; I might have taken half away, but by saying the delegates won't be seated and we won't let candidates campaign in these states gave the GOP a free shot to spread unchecked propaganda, and will piss of the voters in these states.

Now, we've got a really tight race. Dean doesn't want a brokered convention, but I don't think either player will have enough delegates to win as it stands now. So I say we probably have to caucus, which will be expensive and contentious, but that's what we have to do. I think we should set it for May, and invite only registered Dems on the rolls by April 15 -- which would still give people time to switch/register/etc. in advance.
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gaiilonfong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:36 PM
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10. great post thanks
I just read a diary on Kos that said his room was 2 to 1 for Obama and the undecides broke for Obama. so it is diverse!
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:57 PM
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15. Good advice. Thanks for sharing your experience!
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kstewart33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 02:03 PM
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16. Useful post for those who've never attended caucuses. Thx!
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 02:45 PM
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18. "Democrat for a Day" - the problem that plagues this forum as well.
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