Am I the only one here who feels like Hillary won't get us out of Iraq?

[dkf]

I know she says she would, but I don't believe her. I believe that she will try to draw down troops, but at the first sign of a problem (which I foresee as inevitable) she will throw our troops back in there.

Then we will be stuck for 100 years.

[NC_Nurse]

1. I believe she will do whatever seems expedient at the time.

So, flip a coin.

[samrock]

2. They both would

I think on Iraq either would get us out of there ASAP...

[neutron]

4. Hillary Will Get Out Faster - Clintons Hate War

[mrreowwr_kittty]

22. Huh? Were you just not paying attention during Bill's presidency?

He never shied away from military action if it was deemed warranted (Mogadishu, Haiti, Kosovo) and he bombed Iraq repeatedly.

[lame54]

25. He was fine with war...

It was occupation he didn't like

[Rageneau]

34. Using force is one thing. Going to war is another thing entirely.

Bill used military force to gain leverage or to accomplish precise goals, and almost every time he did so, things improved.

The exception was Somalia where (if you check into it you'll find) a rightwing general loyal to Bush pushed the operational envelope way beyond what Clinton had approved and acted arbitrarily and unilaterally to plan and carry out the raid that led to the Mogadishu Mile. (This general (Odom?) even accepts responsibility himself and absolves Clinton of any responsibility in the back of the book "Blackhawk Down," although, typically, that is never mentioned in the media or by Clinton critics.

Not only did Clinton avoid wars, he only used force judiciously and almost always without American casualties -- and CERTAINLY without creating a quicksandy quagmire that we couldn't get out of.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

33. Hillary was a bigger fan of Israel's war in Lebanon than the Chimp

She was out there speaking in favor of the war at demonstrations of pro war activists. When Tony Blair called for a cease-fire and the introduction of multi-national peacekeepers, Senator Clinton was silent.

[The_Casual_Observer]

3. No there are other freepers on here that would promote that line of

bullshit too.

[dkf]

7. Well I really hope I am not right on this. But this is my gut feeling.

Sorry my gut feels freeperish to you.

[Avalux]

5. She will draw down troops to an 'acceptable' number but will keep troops in the country.

She has stopped saying it but earlier in the campaign she stated a number of our troops would stay on permanent bases. Much like the position McCain has when he says we'll have troops there for 100 years. Not combat troops, but troops on permanent bases.

Hillary's position evolved to be more like Obama's when he became her clear opponent.

[Hart2008]

18. Right. n/t

[Fredda Weinberg]

21. Unlike Obama, we're not threatening to invade Pakistan. All I can say to that is

... spare us his learning curve.

[hedgehog]

26. That is my impression as well. Sometimes I think we all have the attention

span and memeory of a fruit fly!

[jgraz]

6. No, I think she will.

Once the Dems have the White House, their ability to cynically use the war as a political tool will be over. They'll have to end it.

What I'm wondering is whether the Dems actually WANT the White House. They seem perfectly happy playing the Washington Generals against the big, bad Repuglicans.

[asjr]

8. Well, what else can you do if there

is the first sign of a problem? Stop. Rethink.

[dkf]

10. But there are going to be problems

Are we deluding ourselves when we think we can get out?

[asjr]

13. I don't think we are deluding ourselves. We all

want out. I think either Obama or Clinton will do it.

[dkf]

16. But you just said if there is a problem then we are staying.

Now you are saying we will get out.

[asjr]

19. I should have said Pause. Rethink. I need

my daughter-in-law around. She usually finishes my sentences for me.

[onehandle]

9. Clinton = McCain. Got it. Now go away. nt

[DJ13]

11. No, you're not the only one

She has proven to be willing to overcompensate for being a woman in a male dominated system by siding with the hawks most of the time as a Senator.

Also it doesnt instill me with confidence that she's being honest about leaving Iraq when she's gotten more defense contractor campaign donations than anyone else still in the running to be President.

Even "Mr. 100 years" McCain hasnt garned anywhere near the financial support of the defense industry that Hillary has.

[shaniqua6392]

12. Both of our candidates will get us out a.s.a.p.

Either of the two could run into your possible scenario of problems occurring which will make it difficult. We can not kill a thousand troops while we are withdrawing them to satisfy people who want us out immediately. Retreating out of a war can be more dangerous than the actual war itself. Whoever ends up in the Oval Office will have a very difficult job and we will need to be supportive and patient. Neither of our candidates were really responsible for this horrible war. George Bush is the responsible party. Let us not forget what he has done.

[lame54]

23. A.S.A.P. - After Siphoning All Petroleum

:sarcasm: :rofl:

[dkf]

28. Damn you may be right.

[bigtree]

14. I didn't, but now that YOU mention it . . .

you really are full of it . . .

[lame54]

15. I don't think either of them will

[surfermaw]

17. I think she is the one that will get us out of Iraq

Bill Clinton kelp peace , and prosperity for 8 years, now why wouldn't Hillary do the same thing.

[MikeNearMcChord]

20. I believe that the economy will answer this question.

Whoever is the president will face the question of guns or butter, and with the economy in shi##er the prospect of war will be very unpopular. And China will probably tell whoever is president to go Cheney themselves if he/she comes with hat in hand to borrow more money. Not too mention a broken down military that might require a draft, if they want to continue this BS war. And that presidential term will a single one if that is implemented. Americans want the next president to focus on America, or that stay in the White House will be short!

[harun]

24. I think she would draw down the number of troops but I don't believe

she has ever stated she wanted a full withdrawal.

[whatchamacallit]

27. It all depends on what you believe about peak oil and geopolitical dominance

If the blood of the empire is indeed running dry, don't count on anyone to get us out soon. Hope the next president moves us away from fossil fuels as quickly as possible.

[AZBlue]

29. She's never said she would. She'll withdraw some troops, but keep others there.

Isn't that exactly what Bush did a few months back? No, we wouldn't get out of Iraq under HRC.

[madrchsod]

30. neither will until at least 2010

what needs to be done is go into afganistan with a coherent policy. that is what should have been done in 2003

[OzarkDem]

31. That's a valid concern about both candidates

and its one I'm struggling with also. Perhaps there are a couple of things to help make a decision:

Which candidate is strong enough to stand up to the media and GOP criticism to pull troops out?

Which candidate will have the strength to get their Iraq agenda through Congress without caving in to GOP pressure and dragging out the occupation?

[Bluerthanblue]

32. no- you are not.

I am finding my desire to vote dem regardless of the nom more and more difficult to cling to.

peace~

[hill08]

35. why do you not believe her? And why do you think Obama will do it?

[Ronnie]

36. Well, if you feel it,

it must be true.

[joeybee12]

37. Yup you are the only one...

...unless the Kool-aid is making its rounds right now.

She's smart enough to know we need to get out if for no other reason than the fix the economy.

[Barack_America]

38. I worry more that she will get us IN to Iran.

And, no, you're not the only one who worries about Iraq.

After all, her beliefs about withdrawing from Iraq are dependent entirely on public opinion, not principle. So if public opinion should waver for whatever reason, so too will her determination. Obama, on the other hand, obviously feels that we had no justification for going there in the first place. Thus, I feel more confident that he will get us out.