If Hillary gets swept today, is it time for her to step down

[Joe the Revelator]

and the party to unite around Obama?

[TwilightGardener]

1. Oh, please--she's still the favorite in later contests, and she'll pick up some

delegates today for sure. WA state will be close.

[Joe the Revelator]

12. She's been the favorite everywhere yet she loses the lead come voting time.

[neutron]

34. She has the Delegate Rich States

why should she quit?

[hlthe2b]

2. It might be time for a few less ridiculously snarky polls...

about EITHER candidate....:eyes:

[Trajan]

3. Lame poll ....

[Jim Sagle]

4. You skipped one category: "Hogwash!"

[bilgewaterbill]

61. LOL!!

[saltpoint]

5. As a brand new Obama supporter, I say no.

She should stay in as long as she wishes to and wants to and feels she needs to.

The race won't be decided today, no matter the outcome for her or Obama or Gravel.

The key to watch for, IMO, is turn out. I'd like to see a horde of new Democratic voters show up at the polls and send the fear of God into the Pukes for November.

[Jawja]

11. Old Crusoe,

I agree. Let 'em fight it out 'til the convention. Let the voters in the later primary States get their say.

[saltpoint]

16. - - - -

:thumbsup: :hi:

[tammywammy]

23. Agreed

:hi:

[saltpoint]

26. hey there tammywammy.

Happy Saturday!

:thumbsup: :hi:

[Colobo]

41. Welcome aboard, Crusoe!

[saltpoint]

64. hi, Katzenkavalier. I'm still awful homesick over The Carolinian's

departure.

It was his domestic proposals that drew me into the nomination race this time. And Biden's foreign policy chops.

I'm on the Hope line now, barreling into DC.

Let's kick some Republican butt.

[11 Bravo]

6. Nice push poll. The RNC couldn't have done any better!

[Tellurian]

7. Typical Wolsh-think..

skew the choices and herd the cattle into the chute for slaughter..

[rodeodance]

31. typical Herd mentality!!

[Joe the Revelator]

42. typical say nothing post from you.

[libertee]

8. This is the kind of idiocy poll/momentum that got GWB elected.

[bigtree]

9. If Obama loses the upcoming contests in the large states of Ohio,Texas, and Pennsylvania

should he also 'step down'?

Don't you see how transparently ridiculous this tactic is?

[KittyWampus]

15. you are totally correct! If Obama can't win through the long haul, he can't win the GE.

[MonkeyFunk]

10. Don't be absurd...

oh wait. You can't help it.

[NC_Nurse]

13. Of course not.

[KittyWampus]

14. Of course not, we know she has the will and the means. That's insulting to her supporters

[Joe the Revelator]

17. Someone is going to have to bow out eventually

The time is getting near.

[okasha]

If they're still tied at the convention, or shortly before,

the party elders will step in and force the "arrangement" Dean spoke of. The result will be a Clinton/Obama ticket, with Obama promised the nom in 2016. If he really wants to be President someday, he'll accept. If he doesn't, we'll see a Clinton/Richardson or Clinton/Clark ticket.

[Joe the Revelator]

47. Thats absurd.

A. Hillary will probably be a one term president, so this "arrangement" doesn't help Obama at all.

B. If he is winning, why would he take the second chair?

C. I'm shocked at how ok you are with a senario that does not involve the will of the people.

[okasha]

55. That's reality.

If they're tied, then the will of the people is not clearly for one or the other. The party elders are not going to opt for 4 or 8 years in the White House when they can credibly shoot for 16--no matter who insists that WAAAHHHHH he's gotta have his milk and cookies RIGHT THIS MINUTE!

And I'm shocked--shocked!--at how ok you are with a scenario that simply equates the will of the people with your own.

[DJ13]

18. She wont.

But she will probably get an earful from Party leaders about the damage she might cause by staying in.

Not that she'll care about that.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. She Has Every Right To Stay In Until The End As Obama's Number One Supporter Did In 1980

The irony is delicious...

[DJ13]

32. Well, I did say "she wont care" didnt I?

Reading aint your strong suit.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

40. Reading Ain't Your Strong Suit And Neither Is Grammar

When you use the contraction ain't there is an apostrophe between the n and the t...

Maybe Santa will bring you a copy of Hooked On Phonics next Christmas...


HeehawHee

[Joe the Revelator]

45. and maybe one day you'll stop being such an ego driven ass

hey, we all have dreams.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

46. Your Pal Disrespected Me And I Returned The Favor

Would you like to be my puppet now?

Dance...



on edit-HeehawHee

[Joe the Revelator]

48. Why don't you cut him with you knife, Ponyboy?

You're ridiculous.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

49. Don't Need A Knife, Sweetheart

But keep dancing for me...

[Joe the Revelator]

51. It been fun to watch your ego get bigger and bigger since November

You've really been a joy to watch.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

53. We Can Go Back To The Genesis Of Our Little Dispute

Some clown on the internet said "reading aint your strong suit" and I called him on his bullshit...

You then made it about me when I was merely defending myself...

What was I supposed to do?

Send him a cyberhug?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. Hmmm

Since Ted Kennedy endorsed Obama Hillary should follow his precedent-Come into the Convention with forty percent less delegates, demand that all delegates be released from their pledge, have that demand rejected, then give a speech where he never mentions Jimmy Carter, and refuse to hold up his hand in the traditional victory embrace...

Oh, did I add invite the presumptive third party candidate to your office in the interim between the last primary and the convention to intimate you might join him on his ticket...

[Donnachaidh]

20. I love how you folks always count your chickens too early

it's like watching a car wreck.

[okasha]

21. You've been posting "Hillary should step down/drop out"

threads since Iowa.

It seems that's the only way you think Obama can win--and I think you may be right.

[Joe the Revelator]

27. With proportinal delegate distribution, a two party race, between any two candidates, could last

until the convention. The question is, do any of us want it to, and is that in the best interest of the party.

[okasha]

56. Then let Obama step down.

Or accept the "arrangement" contemplated by Dean and the party elders--which they will have the means to enforce.

[floridablue]

22. This what a push poll looks like in writing ?

Disgusting

[GarbagemanLB]

24. Hillary will put ambition over party.

It is true. I have had respect for the Clintons for years, but their tactics in the past few months between Florida/Michigan and Bill's remarks about Obama really have diminished their status in my eyes. I wish I could say I believed Hillary would put the party before her own ambitions of making history, but I don't think that is the case.

[goldcanyonaz]

28. Wasn't the person who lost California supposed to step down?

Or was that just if Clinton lost California.

[cboy4]

29. I think it's time for the usual suspect posters to step down.

:eyes:

[PresidentObama]

30. What an idiotic post. If Obama gets swept, should he step down?

Think before you post.

It helps.

[Joe the Revelator]

33. If Obama had lost super tuesday, was falling behind in state polls, and got swept today....

then yeah, it would be time to think about bowing out.

[PresidentObama]

35. Obama didn't lose Super Tuesday. And nor did Hillary.

It was a virtual tie. Things are so damn close right now.

And you think if Hillary gets swept today, which I'm not convinced of, she should step down?

No way.

[Joe the Revelator]

37. Oh bullshit: More states + more delegates = A win for Obama

[PresidentObama]

43. Winning states doesn't necessarily matter, delegates does. And how many more delegates did he win?

I'm sure it was HUGH!!!111

:sarcasm:

[Joe the Revelator]

44. All it takes is one to win

But of course you know that, you just have nothing else to cling to.

[joshcryer]

63. Actually, a one delegate lead would be a brokered convention.

But you probably have enough sense to recognize that.

[DrDan]

36. why should she?

I thought we were looking for a fighter. I thought one of the may reasons for disgust with Kerry is that he gave up too soon.

Why should she? I think she should fight it out.

[Joe the Revelator]

38. at the cost of the party and the GE?

[GarbagemanLB]

39. She will

...because she puts ambition over the good of the party.

[Crooked Moon]

50. ms. clinton is poised...

to make strong showings in the delegate-rich states of ohio and texas.

she has no reason nor obligation to step down, even with a weekend sweep.

[Blue_In_AK]

52. No, there are still large states where she could win...

...and the race is close. Asking Hillary to step aside makes about as much sense as asking Obama to.

[LWolf]

54. Other:

Even if Hillary got "swept," the contest would still be too close to call. Why the fuck would she step down?

Secondly, why would you want to deny the rest of us the chance to participate in our primaries?

Lastly, I'm hoping for a brokered convention. Not because I want "somebody to pick my candidate for me." By the time my primary rolls around on May 20th, that will have already happened, won't it?

I don't want either Hillary or Obama to be the nominee. A brokered convention is the only way left for that to become reality. Not likely, of course, but it's a sliver of hope to hang on to.

[cooolandrew]

57. Very encouraging poll looks like we are getting more on the same page now. Let's go win the GE.

[Barack_America]

58. I would wait for the Potomac primary.

If she's swept there too, then yes, I would agree with you. Because then we've heard from the East, West and South.

If she can only carry the coastal states and a smattering of southern Red states, it would be hard to say that she's able to represent the opinions of Democrats across this country.

[hayu_lol]

59. I am anxiously awaiting Wolsh's first thread following ...

Hillary's becoming the nominee.

;^)

[TankLV]

60. I agree - OBAMA should step down - since HILLARY has more delegates...

[fujiyama]

62. No

I support Obama, but there are still states out there that still have to vote including Ohio and Pennsylvania.

This isn't over yet.

[Joe the Revelator]

65. The Hour is getting late...