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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 03:41 PM Original message |
I hate the DLC. Hate Carville and McAuliffe. And I support Hillary now, here's why. |
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AndyA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
1. I'm not for Hillary or Barack right now. I'm having a difficult time deciding. |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 03:47 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Hillary is tough. I think she's got the fight to stand up to the pack of liars on the right. |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 03:52 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. "It'd be like Kerry vs. Bush debates all over again." |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 04:37 PM Response to Reply #2 |
65. How long did the "Clintons trashed the WH' lie last in the media? |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
3. If you really hated the DLC, you couldn't vote for Hillary... |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 03:52 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. I love the Patriots, but I wanted the Giants to win ;) |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 03:53 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. If underdogs appeal to you, why go with the Clinton machine? |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 03:54 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. I was talking about football. Sports and politics are two different arenas. |
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incapsulated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 03:53 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. No, it's called being a grown up |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 03:54 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. Then don't complain when all the cabinet positions are filled with DLC slime... |
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incapsulated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 03:57 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. If you honestly believe they are no better than the repukes |
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nonconformist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 04:39 PM Response to Reply #14 |
66. Obama has said he'd consider REPUBLICANS in his cabinet. |
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abburdlen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 05:35 PM Response to Reply #66 |
72. didn't Edwards say the same thing? |
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nonconformist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 05:42 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. No double standard, except on the other end. |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
4. Applause for a POSITIVE post! |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 03:50 PM Response to Original message |
5. You support Hillary, but you hate her: |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 03:53 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Hey ProSense, wasn't John Kerry a member of the DLC? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 03:53 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. No! n/t |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 03:55 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Here's an article from Senator Kerry on the DLC website. Five second research found it. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 03:56 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. He wrote articles reaching out to a lot of constituencies! n/t |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 04:00 PM Response to Reply #17 |
26. Really? He's showing up on the DLC membership list: |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 04:02 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. Bogus! n/t |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 04:03 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. How so? Explain, provide proof. Do something. Here, he keynoted the DLC in 2004 too: |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 04:08 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Invited to make a speech doesn't make you a member of a group. n/t |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 04:48 PM Response to Reply #31 |
69. They asked him to - he was already the nominee |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 04:06 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. DLC even shows up on his website: |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 04:16 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. That's a press release about being invited to make a speech. n/t |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 04:21 PM Response to Reply #33 |
40. Read the article |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 04:44 PM Response to Reply #26 |
68. That list is more than 2 years old |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 03:57 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. Note: |
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 03:56 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. Kerry was in the DLC. And Al From anointed Barack Obama. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 03:58 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. Ah, here come the Hillaryites with the "they did it too" bogus arguments. Hillary is the DLC. n/t |
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incapsulated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 04:00 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. So. Was. Kerry. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 04:01 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. No he wasn't. Stick with the facts. Hillary is the DLC. n/t |
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 04:11 PM Response to Reply #27 |
35. John Kerry, DLC member |
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incapsulated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 04:16 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. And here... |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 04:18 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. Obama purposefully asked that his name be removed, you will never validate Kerry as DLC |
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incapsulated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 04:21 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. HE SIGNED THE FUCKING HYDE PARK MANIFESTO |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 04:24 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. And that still doesn't |
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incapsulated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 04:27 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. wtf?? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 04:28 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. Never a member! n/t |
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incapsulated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 04:31 PM Response to Reply #50 |
57. He signs their manifesto, speaks at their conventions, is LISTED |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 04:33 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. You got it! n/t |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 04:25 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. What is a fact is that Hillary is DLC. Period! n/t |
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 04:27 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. And so is JOHN KERRY -- exclamation point. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 04:28 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. Got a current link? n/t |
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 04:31 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. John Kerry -- DLC member |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 04:35 PM Response to Reply #56 |
62. You're giving me 2004 links of the DLC trying to hitch themselves to Kerry's bandwagon? n/t |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 04:32 PM Response to Reply #39 |
58. Another thing: Hillary, not Obama, is DLC. n/t |
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 04:25 PM Response to Reply #38 |
43. DLC isn't a position, it's a membership |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 04:26 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. . |
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 04:28 PM Response to Reply #45 |
51. You have a second problem: I do not fear the DLC. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 04:30 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Got current proof? Voting positions, agreements, photo, current links on their site? |
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 04:34 PM Response to Reply #54 |
61. Yep |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 04:35 PM Response to Reply #35 |
63. Kerry has gone to none of the DLC's forums since 2004 |
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 04:01 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. You learned a new ironic twist! How good for you! |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 04:29 PM Response to Reply #18 |
53. Al From in 2006, when it was likely that Kerry and Obama could run, identified the potential DLC |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
11. How can you love hate the DLC but love Hillary when she is one of their current leaders? |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 04:01 PM Response to Reply #11 |
28. Good questions all |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 04:30 PM Response to Reply #28 |
55. Exactly. I think people would be shocked if they read more than just the "in your face" spin. |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 05:14 PM Response to Reply #55 |
70. It took me two years of homework to know for sure |
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fenriswolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
16. You hate the DLC but love hillary. hypocrite. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
19. She had a 40 point lead and blew it because of her campaign choices. |
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 04:00 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. None of which support your "theory" |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 04:22 PM Response to Reply #23 |
41. You closed government supporters are sad. And your lack of concern for this nation's |
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jsamuel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
25. I support Edwards, but I will take Clinton over Obama. I don't like the DLC either. |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
32. Her healthcare plan is what her CEO donors ordered |
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Neo-wobbly (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 04:28 PM Response to Reply #32 |
49. exactl n/t |
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avrdream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 04:36 PM Response to Reply #32 |
64. If you researched just a LITTLE bit beyond the talking points, |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 04:39 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. Sorry, not buying |
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stimbox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 04:27 PM Response to Original message |
48. Here's a similar discussion. |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 04:32 PM Response to Original message |
59. Sorry but respectfully and strongly disagree |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 05:24 PM Response to Original message |
71. That makes as much sense as someone saying he hates killing but supports war. |
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