Is the state of Hillary's campaign a sign of things to come?

[Renew Deal]

There's a saying that a presidential campaign shows you how someone is going to run the White House. If that's true, Hillary would be a terrible president. Hillary has made several disastrous mistakes in this campaign.

• Hillary underestimated the enemy (Obama). She let him operate and didn't challenge him appropriately. She let him grow into a phenomenon. Is this how she would handle Al Queda?
  
  
• When things got tough in NH, Hillary cracked. Can she handle 4-8 years of the rigors of the presidency?
  
  
• Hillary ignored many of the smaller states costing her a majority of the delegates yesterday. Will she run the same failed McAwful 17 State Strategy in November? Hillary ignored many states yesterday and it cost her the day. The same strategy in November would cost us the presidency.
  
  
• Successful people surround themselves with the best people. Hillary has Mark Penn and Terry McAuliffe running her campaign. Penn was thrown off of Gore's campaign and McAuliffe was a failure as DNC chair. Everyone knew these two were bums, yet Hillary hired them. We cannot afford a Democratic version of Brownie. Can Hillary hire qualified people?
  
  
• Hillary has blown her budget. She has had to borrow at least $5 Million of her personal wealth. How will Hillary pay for her Health Insurance program, and other programs? Will she be able to operate within the budget and control the deficit??

Hillary's campaign is full of troubling signs of a failed campaign and a failed presidency. Is Hillary worth the risk of losing the General Election and destroying Democrats once and for all?

[Bread and Circus]

1. the kicker is the $5 mill was spent before ST but they didn't tell us the truth about it until after

[TexasObserver]

17. That is correct. They hid it until after SuperTuesday.

That's the reason they broke out the "we want a debate a week" line yesterday. They knew that today they would fess up about kicking $5 million to their campaign last month.

I'm sure all those little old ladies who sent Hillary $50 from their Social Security check are feeling real good today.

[KittyWampus]

34. WTF? They never released their 2006 Tax Return and they're putting their own money in?

Why aren't any other Obama supporters concerned about this?

We have literally no idea where that money came from.

[TexasObserver]

37. They have over $30 million in cash and bonds

All banked since (1) he left the White House and (2) she was elected to the senate.

This is going to go over well to all those poor folks she's reaching out to for their help. She has supporters who are on Social Security, so why shouldn't they help Hill and Bill while those two are making more in a month than many Democrats make in 20 years?

They love money, and they've worshipped it the past 7 years.

[KittyWampus]

40. We have NO IDEA where all that money came from. We have some idea, but Open Govt= Clintons

disclosing where their money came from.

[rinsd]

2. Oh can I play

Obama comments about Pakistan caused actual riots there.

Ya know instead of your made up bullshit.

[Renew Deal]

3. So you agree with me?

Because you're not challenging a single point.

[catagory5]

7. OP, I do agree with you on a couple....

She did underestimate the Obama campaign. Everyone did. Pundits, her, us, everyone except you Obama supporters. There was no reason for us to not think she had it running away. But with that comes a very hard battle that gives us (Democrats) a chance to really see what both candidates are about. Hell, if no one ran tough against her who would hold her feet to the fire? I think it is healthy to always have someone nipping at your heals because it makes you fight harder.

Right?

[IndieLeft]

31. They don't address facts that don't support Hillary

They just change the subject... So familiar... Who do I know that does that?

[ChairmanAgnostic]

38. m a r k p e n n

[blm]

4. Exactly - she started out in the strongest position imaginable and blew it

on so many levels. THAT is what happens when Dems try to BE exactly like our enemies. Being deceitful only works for you when you own most of the media and can pull it off.

GOPs didn't buy up most of broadcast media in the 80s and 90s to let any Dem campaign have an easy ride.

Dems HAVE to stay as honest as possible because any slip into deceit will be maginified to smear the entire party.

[elizm]

5. Food for thought! :) nt

[lyonn]

13. That is an intesting list. nt

[Zuiderelle]

6. Oh, so you're suggesting she should treat Obama the way she would handle Al Qaeda?

Come on, you can come up with something better than that?

Regarding your criticism that she is contributing to her own campaign, I admire a candidate who risks their own "wealth" because they are so committed to leading this country.

[Renew Deal]

8. I'm suggesting that she has a track record of bad judgement.

Everyone knew Obama was going to be strong in IA except Hillary. Also, Hillary had a budget and she blew it. That's a troubling sign for her presidency.

[MonkeyFunk]

21. That's simply untrue

Even Bill said long ago that it would be a very tough primary race, and she might not win it.

[Renew Deal]

25. She may not win it because of bad judgement

She has every advantage, and look where we are.

[MonkeyFunk]

29. Your premise

is that she believed she would coast to victory in the primaries.

That's demonstrably untrue.

[IndieLeft]

33. Yeah, she's got a great track record....

Just ask all the soldiers on their 4th tour in Iraq, or the people losing everything because they can't file bankruptcy.

yeah, hillary's record is wonderful.

[Henryman]

10. I read that she loaned her campaign the $5M...not much of a risk.

[Debi]

12. Well, that loan on top of the $10 million she transfered from her senate coffers

and the $5 million in debt she had left over from 2007.

But you are correct, she could just write a check and it would all be gone.

[Debi]

11. So only the wealthy should be able to run for office?

Someone who doesn't have wealth can't risk it.

[Zuiderelle]

14. Of course that's not what I said.

[Debi]

19. Explain what you said.

You admire a person who risks their ownwealth....

What if a person doesn't have wealth? What if a person doesn't have the ability to loan their campaign $5 million (and keep it a secret)? Should they not run for office? And what about wanting publicly funded campaigns?

And what happened to:

<snip>

“Let’s think of somebody I really admire, the mayor of New York City, Mike Bloomberg,” (Bill)Clinton said. “I like him; he’s a really good mayor. But if he’s runs for president, he can spend a billion dollars and not miss it. That’s real money to most of us. Under the law, there are no constraints.”

He railed against the Supreme Court for blocking some attempts to limit the influence of money in politics.

“We are very frustrated because we have a Supreme Court that seems determined to say that the wealthier have more right to free speech than the rest of us.”

And he implied that he would not use his own funds to support his wife's candidacy.

“For example, they say you couldn’t stop me from spending all the money I’ve saved over the last five years on Hillary’s campaign if I wanted to, even though it would clearly violate the spirit of campaign finance reform,” he said.

<snip>

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1207/7548.html

[Zuiderelle]

24. Oh, so you didn't notice that I put "wealth" in quotation marks?

[Debi]

27. Oh, well that changes everything

explain what you wrote - please.

[Zuiderelle]

30. Not really worth it. But here goes.

You claimed that I somehow said that only the wealthy can run for office, when I was simply using the OP's own word (thus the quotation marks) in my response, to show how idiotic it is to criticize someone for contributing to their own campaign simply because they have the means. It's like criticizing me for paying for someone to help me find a job, or write my resume, or whatever. Let's talk about what the person believes in, why would it matter how much money they have?

[Debi]

36. It comes back to only those with the means to do so should do so.

Your example proves it. (You'd pay someone to write your resume? Really?)

[Zuiderelle]

39. No, I've never had anyone write my resume but me.

But I can imagine someone who has a larger mission in life devoting their time to the real issues and not to the minute details, who would be best served paying a professional to do that sort of work.

Where are we going with this? I never said you had to be wealthy, I simply said that I admire someone who contributes to their own campaign. Be it a dollar or a hundred or a thousand or a million relative to ones means. I was quoting "wealth" because it was used in the OP. The quotation marks were meant to mean that "wealth" is a relative thing. I guess it didn't come across that way.

[Debi]

41. Thank you. n/t

[Henryman]

42. If you have $5M to loan.......

...then I would say you are already wealthy.
But "taking a risk" would be to outright give it your campaign.

[Debi]

9. Don't forget that she ended 2007 $5 million in debt as compared to Obama's $780,000 in debt

Nothing like running up the deficit.

[VolcanoJen]

15. Ooooh Bleachers!

That was a damned good post. :-)

[Renew Deal]

16. Thanks

:patriot:

[TheDonkey]

18. Very good points.

[FrenchieCat]

20. Bingo!

You beat me to it......but did it so much better! :thumbsup:

Bookmarked (in case I need to throw it in the face of those so blind that they cannot see).

Excellent Obama material. I can see him saying this!

[TwilightGardener]

22. You bring up good food for thought.

[magatte]

23. Very thoughtful points you make Bleacher,

You should diary it on Daily Kos if you can.

[Renew Deal]

26. I don't post there

Feel free to copy it.

[ShortnFiery]

28. Well Considered & Well Written. K & R. eom.

[Renew Deal]

35. Wow

Thanks. I've finally done something right. :D

[cottonseed]

32. Smartest Commentary I've Heard All Day

nt

[KoKo]

43. Until she ditches Wolfson and Penn and a few other of her "handlers"

we won't really know who the REAL HILLARY IS...she's just an appendage of "the man who wants to avenge his failed impeachment."

[Renew Deal]

44. I think we are at the point that they ARE the campaign.

And I agree with the rest.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

45. Soliz Doyle is an idiot.

she has caused much of the problems in the campaign.

except, Hillary cannot dump the top ranked hispanic, unless she wants to boot her hispanic support.

[bigtree]

46. yep. even with low donations and a deficit

she managed to WIN Super Tuesday.

[krkaufman]

47. Oh for god's sake. I stopped reading at bullet #1.

Did you go to the Karl Rove School of Political Campaigning? What a ridiculous extrapolation worthy of the most venal of Right Wingers.

[krkaufman]

48. p.s. If you actually, truly think Hillary's campaign is beginning to fail ...

... and that Obama is on the way to the nomination, it would be wise to be more accommodating of the supporters of other candidates as they will be sorely needed come the general election.