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FlyingTiger (340 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 12:32 PM Original message |
Please. Please. Stop making this ridiculous argument. |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
1. Well then quit making the ridiculous initial claims that she isn't electable at all. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 12:35 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. go back and read the opening post and then comment. It'd help you seem more relevant. |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 12:40 PM Response to Reply #4 |
15. I did. It's time for you to get new goggles. n/t |
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Catherine Vincent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 01:16 PM Response to Reply #4 |
33. There's that cry again. nt |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 05:23 AM Response to Reply #1 |
68. Sorry. Nowhere in the OP did the OPer say Sen. Clinton "isn't electable at all" ... |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 08:09 AM Response to Reply #68 |
70. No shit, genius. "Initial claims" means the claims by everyone on this forum 24/7 who always claims |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 02:54 PM Response to Reply #70 |
76. You failed to make that clear, by using the imperative in your subject line. |
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niceypoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 09:10 AM Response to Reply #1 |
75. The poster uses the exact arguement he says he is sick of |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
2. Bingo |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 12:35 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Double Bingo !!! |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
3. It is arrogant to assume that only your analysis can possibly be correct. n/t |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 12:36 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. And yet a multitude of Hillary supporters are trashing Obama for taking caucus states |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 12:51 PM Response to Reply #8 |
25. That is a tangental can of worms |
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Cant trust em (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 12:47 PM Response to Reply #3 |
20. Analytical arrogance is what DU is all about |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 12:52 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. Can't argue with that analysis, lol n/t |
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FlyingTiger (340 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 12:52 PM Response to Reply #3 |
28. This is math. Nothing more. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 01:09 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. It is much much more than that |
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FlyingTiger (340 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 01:13 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. We're gonna try this again. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 01:27 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. Fine. Women are a majority group in America |
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FlyingTiger (340 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 01:51 PM Response to Reply #36 |
44. Exactly - you're just guessing. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 01:57 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. No, I'm extrapolating from the real indications of a strong gender gap |
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FlyingTiger (340 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:05 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. The gender gap that was all of 5% yesterday? |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:18 PM Response to Reply #48 |
53. Before we get lost in this let me just repeat |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 09:29 PM Response to Reply #44 |
63. I don't see all the numbers for Obama |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 05:34 AM Response to Reply #30 |
69. Mike Dukakis Had A Seventeen Point Lead After The Convention In Atlanta. He Lost By Eight Points |
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jeffrey_X (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:24 PM Response to Reply #3 |
57. Maybe it's not an analysis, maybe it's based on real world feedback. |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
5. Please, please, please, stop it yourself... |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 12:50 PM Response to Reply #5 |
23. The truth is in between |
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FlyingTiger (340 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 12:51 PM Response to Reply #5 |
24. What? |
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leftynyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 01:22 PM Response to Reply #24 |
34. People can't change their minds? |
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FlyingTiger (340 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 01:46 PM Response to Reply #34 |
41. Same question could be asked of those who support Hillary. It's a non-argument. |
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leftynyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:30 PM Response to Reply #41 |
58. Of course it can work both ways |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 09:41 PM Response to Reply #24 |
64. Separate the apples and oranges, then the IF shows up. |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
7. We won't know who's electable until after the voting in November. nt |
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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
9. I agree. nt |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
10. You're right. Obama is much more electable. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 12:38 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. Yes, because America is readier for a Black president than a woman as one. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 12:42 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. No, because America is ready for a great president |
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leftynyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 01:22 PM Response to Reply #10 |
35. I've asked dozens of posters |
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Samantha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 10:00 PM Response to Reply #10 |
66. Yes, the Clintons have a LONGSTANDING reputation of being |
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vi5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 12:37 PM Original message |
Exactly.... |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
11. "she certainly isn't going to dramatically expand the Democratic base like Obama". |
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FlyingTiger (340 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 12:47 PM Response to Reply #11 |
21. Hate to break it to you, but... |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:01 PM Response to Reply #21 |
46. Expanding the base ultimately means bringing out more people to the polls |
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FlyingTiger (340 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:04 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. So, by the actual numbers.... |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:18 PM Response to Reply #47 |
54. I wrote about this above in another reply to you. n/t |
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K Gardner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
12. Cha ching ! K&R |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
13. SurveyUSA poll out of WA shows him beating McCain by 18 and Hillary tied. |
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RiverStone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
17. good post - good points....n/t |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
18. I Absolutely Think She's More Electable. The Only Thing Ridiculous Is The Way You Put Forth The |
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FlyingTiger (340 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 12:46 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. So, what you're saying is, Obama couldn't handle going up against a political "machine." |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 01:41 PM Response to Reply #19 |
38. If You Think What He's Been Through So Far Is Even Close To What's Coming, Then I Question Your |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 12:52 PM Response to Reply #18 |
26. yes, she's electable. But virtually all the independent evidence |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 01:43 PM Response to Reply #26 |
39. I Don't Know Why People Keep Trotting Out These Head To Heads. They're Monumentally Irrelevant. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #39 |
52. then forget the heads to heads and focus on all the other |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:23 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. What Evidence? |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 09:51 PM Response to Reply #26 |
65. Not by a "much higher margin" |
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Auntie Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 01:16 PM Response to Reply #18 |
32. Obama doesn't take criticism well and I'm not convinced he could successfully handle |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 01:43 PM Response to Reply #32 |
40. I Take It You Responded To The Wrong Post? |
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Auntie Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:15 PM Response to Reply #40 |
60. I did respond to the wrong post. |
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incapsulated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:30 PM Response to Reply #32 |
62. And try crying "racism" to the republicans when it starts |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
22. The equation is a familiar and simple one |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 12:53 PM Response to Original message |
29. You realize that the Obama strategy in the primary |
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GreenTea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
37. I doubt if there's one "fed-up" racist fucking republican voting for Obama...Get reatl. |
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FlyingTiger (340 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 01:48 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. Wow... that's just sad. |
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Strelnikov_ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
43. You attack the opponents strength |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
49. Opinions about Clinton are more or less settled |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
50. Best post in a long time! |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
51. At least one problem with your analysis: it assumes 0bama can hold up |
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ctaylors6 (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:23 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. And isn't turning out the base the foundation of a win? Hillary has shown she can do that |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:31 PM Response to Original message |
59. This OP displays amazing ignorance of political reality |
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incapsulated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:25 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Thank you, I've been saying this until I'm blue in the face |
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Proud2BAmurkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 10:02 PM Response to Original message |
67. Obama will be destroyed by McCain on national security. |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 08:16 AM Response to Reply #67 |
71. This is why the MSM is setting this entire McCain/Obama catastrophe up. |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 08:22 AM Response to Original message |
72. I don't mind the "more electable" debate at all. |
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demokatgurrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 09:01 AM Response to Original message |
73. good point. Here's my dilemma |
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MethuenProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 09:05 AM Response to Original message |
74. Hillary is more electable. |
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