The Democrats are as deeply divided as this country was in '04.

[jillan]

The people that support Obama, look at Hillary and see everything that was wrong with the 90's.
They see her and Bill Clinton as one person. And oh yeah - that Clinton machine. They see her as a very polarizing figure that the repugs can't wait to run against.
They are angry with some of her votes, and her dealings.
They have NO understanding how anyone can support Hillary Clinton.

The people that support Hillary, look at Obama as unexperienced politician who uses empty rhetoric while delivering his message sounding like a preacher. They question his ability to run against the gop machine. They are afraid of another inexperienced POTUS. They are angry with him missing key votes in the Senate and his voting 'present' over 100x in Illinois, and are worried about his dealings.
They have NO understanding how anyone can support Barack Obama.

I know there is a few of us that are somewhere in between; but if you look at what happened last nite - even the majority of the states that each one won, was won by a small percentage.

My only hope is that by November, we can all come together.

[tridim]

1. We're not divided.

Just like spectators at a horse race, you cheer for your horse until the race is over. Then you go have a beer with your friends.

[jillan]

3. It's pretty ugly around here - on both sides.

When people post 25 reasons why they would never vote for Hillary, you have to wonder.

[tridim]

6. "around here" != All Democrats

[yardwork]

17. I'm pretty sure that most of those aren't really Democrats.

[Seabiscuit]

2. We will come together! We have a strong difference in opinion but we are not

divided. Rightwing Talk Radio is pushing the meme that we are divided, that our party is fractured and it is up to us not to fall into their trap. All the childish bickering on DU is not representative of the party as a whole.


:dem:

[jillan]

5. I've been hearing the same kind of stuff from people that I know.

[RethugAssKicker]

4. We have 2 excellent candidates.....thats why we're split...

Nothing more than that....when the GE comes we will all vote for the dem candidate whoever that may be !

[flyarm]

11. the hell we do..it is split because the choice sucks! eom

[RiverStone]

16. And how does this observation help us win the GE?

[yardwork]

19. The glass is half full or half empty depending on how you want to see it.

Look, I'm a Socialist, and I don't think that Hillary is bad at all. And I'll vote for Obama if he's the nominee. We have a woman and an African American. Cheer up.

[reality based]

7. When John McCain goes to the middle, as he surely will once he secures the nomination,

it will be interesting to see how the disappointed "Democrats" on this forum and others hold up. Hopefully we will be able to hang Bush and Iraq around his neck. The latter issue will be somewhat influenced by events.

[yardwork]

20. McCain can't go any more to the middle without losing the Republican base.

The conservatives already hate McCain. We're going to watch him go right - including his choice of VP. McCain will go hard right and we'll have to support one of our centrist Democrats.

[flyarm]

8. yep i am divided because someone in my party shoved Edwards out..and i will not get over that

any time soon...it will be near impossible for me to put a clothes pin on my nose to vote in Nov..if i can at all.

and i am weighing removing myself from the dem party.

fly

[yardwork]

21. People said the same thing in 2000 and look where that got us.

So many people said that Gore was "just as bad" as Bush. Look what happened.

[flyarm]

28. what the fuck have we learned since then?? have strong arming from our party to rid our candidates?

so really what has our party learned since then?? that Teddy can strong arm our good dem candidates? that the DLC can fuck our states out of delegates? and our vote...that the dem party is dumber than fuck and doesn't want to win?

tell me just what have we learned..i gave a boat load of money ... in many different ways.. to the dem party in 2004..what do i have to see of it?

come on... please... by all means tell me what the fuck we have learned..that Rahmn Emmanuel will come into my state and fuck all the great dem candidates and put repigs in and infiltrate our party with them?..because that is excatly what has occured and is occuring.

so please spare me the speech..

i was an elected delegate for my state in 2004..and i do not recognize the dem party here any longer..because it is totally infiltraited by Rahmns choices for us.

oh and we never win a fucking thing with the dlc and Rhamns choices..and the Unions stay totally away from our party here in Fla..they only come out for Distinct candidates..

yes do tell us ..where my dem party has gone to!! i can't find it..

you know the party that told Edwards to get the fuck out.



fly

[robbedvoter]

9. We will come together. The ones not really belonging will go back to where they

came from, the ones who followed their lead will be a bit enbarrassed - and in the end we'll all join against the GOP-er.

[Apollo11]

10. Maybe here on DU. But in the real world?

The people who post here on DU are folks who love to argue.

I mean - why else would we spend time here? :eyes:

[jillan]

15. I don't know - I have been hearing it outside of DU as well.

[Occam Bandage]

12. You're fallaciously using DU as evidence. In the real world, both enjoy an 80% approval rating

among Democrats.

[rucky]

13. It's just a very vocal minority.

this is the time every four years that the rotten kids get all the attention.

[yardwork]

14. Good analysis. Except that I hope that most of us can imagine voting for the other.

I agree that we have to come together. I just posted that in another thread.

[jillan]

18. Great minds think alike

:)

[yardwork]

22. Yep!

[TooBigaTent]

23. The real divide is between the right-leaning centrists represented by both

HC and BO and the "base" of the party who believe in true Democratic ideals.

It will be interesting to see if the eventual nominee can bring in either of the two out-groups.

[stillcool]

24. This forum is divided

but then there are some people that post vile, degrading commentary over and over. Very much in the same way the campaigns they represent do. I think these barbs are a double-edged sword. I myself look, listen and learn, and DU has been a big part of that process. This forum has taught me things I would prefer to have not learned. The truth can be very ugly. Anyway as far as the divisiveness...some of this may be forgiven, but I doubt little will be forgotten. For some people respect, and human decency still mean something.

[populistdriven]

25. I think some of the venom directed at Obama by HRC supporters is cognitive dissonance

The Clinton machine has made big mistakes that Obama took advantage of. Admitting those mistakes benefited Obama is difficult.

[jillan]

26. exactly!

[Raffi Ella]

27. That's not true.Not in my case.

These are the Primaries and I am going to fight for the candidate I want.I believe in her and support her passionately.I want her to win.

But come November should Obama get the nom I will get behind him.I will campaign for him as if my life depended on it.

I get rather emotional,caught up in the moment to moment and it's hard not to when we have two such outstanding Candidates.But in the end all my boyfriend or my Mom or Dad has to do is say "No matter what A Democrat will be in office come Jan 09" and immediately I snap back into the reality of this election.

I am a Democrat first and foremost.I will fight for the Democratic Nominee,end of story.

[flaminbats]

29. actually I like both Obama and Clinton..

I remember backing Clinton when Republicans were bashing Clinton for the "largest tax increase in history", for being the draft dodging unpatriotic pandering criminal without values. I also remember when Republicans said Clinton would never reduce deficit spending, balance the budget, or use the surplus to pay down any of the national debt. Yet he did all of these things, then Bush flushed those accomplishments down the neocon toilet.

I stuck with Clinton even as neocons defeated Democrats who supported those policies, and briefly drove our party into the minority. both Obama and Clinton would balance the budget and expand health care to the uninsured. but I think Obama can change our country in ways that Clinton never could. more importantly I think Obama forces most voters to recognize their flaws and weaknesses before choosing a candidate. I think Republicans and Democrats can both win the next election only if we take each other seriously. neither Clinton or Obama are the solutions to our problems, IMO they are only problems Democrats must except before we will win the next election.

[Meshuga]

30. We'll be fine

DU boards a brutal but we don't represent all democrats.