You have to respect Hillary for what she is going up against

[Herman Munster]

She is going up against the most powerful goddamn propaganda force in the world - a mainstream media that moves like rabid dogs on everything she does. Yet, she fights back and keeps going.

She's on the short list of the people I admire most in this world. I don't know what keeps her going but I wish I had a little more of what she has. Barack Obama would lay lying in the fetal position crying his eyes out if he had to endure just a small fraction of what Hillary has endured for 15 years.

[goldcanyonaz]

1. She's a fighter. She's one amazing person.

[eridani]

2. Wish she'd go up against her defense industry backers and Blackwater n/t

[Unsane]

3. Will you vote for Obama if he is the nominee?

[Herman Munster]

4. I've posted many times I would

He gets my vote but that is all. I won't lay one finger doing anything else for him. I would welcome him on a unity ticket as Hillary's VP. 8 years of on the job training and I'll support him in 2016.

[tabasco]

5. Riiiiight.

The same MSM that has done their level best to coronate her the Dem nominee.

Hillary would still be a Walmart lawyer if it wasn't for Bill.

[donheld]

11. Could it be, oh could it just be that

Bill would have never had the courage and strength to become what he's become if Hillary hadn't been there to help him fight to become something?

[springhill]

65. What?

Are you actually saying that the press has been harder on Obama than Clinton? Look, I don't particularly think there is much difference between them, so the onslaught of negative coverage of the Clinton campaign and the absolute glee they now have for Obama has definitely pushed me towards Clinton. The debate I saw where they gang banged Hillary was just appalling, and the republican talking points being used to cover her by republicans and democrats alike are really quite astounding.

[AGirl]

6. Thank you for making this post. I really completely relate to this

Hillary is such a strong woman, I am so inspired by her. I am stunned by her resilience. Women are amazing. We should support each other.

[Liberty Belle]

7. Um...Rupert Murdoch hosted a fundraiser for Hilary.

As owner of FOX, he CONTROLS the corporate media.

Don't expect to see media reform in the next administration if hilary wins.

[goldcanyonaz]

8. And his paper endorsed Obama.

[TheDonkey]

14. you honestly believe those are similiar

an endorsement that no one will listen to versus putting cold cash into Hills pocket. Hmmmmmm. But don't let me stand in front of the sheep pin.

[creeksneakers2]

71. Rupert Murdoch tars and feathers Hillary every chance he gets

He kicked in a few dollars for her Senate campaign. Should everything else that happened be ignored over that tiny factoid?

[Liberty Belle]

77. Maybe he gave her $$ because he thinks Republicans can beat her if she wins the primary.

I fault Hilary for taking money from this sleazeball. There are some donations an ethical person should just turn down.

[donheld]

9. I have great respect for one hell of a lady who

has faced incredible challenges. From the vast right wing machine (Richard Mellon Scaife among other) she face an almost impossible set of attacks. When most others would have given up Hillary went right on working and fighting for what she believes in.

[foxer]

48. Weren't the Clintons on the ropes for eight years?

[farmboxer]

10. Republican Right Wing Mainstream corporate media hates her

guts and the bias shows to the extreme! They said she should get out of the race from the inception!

[MadHound]

33. LOL, is that why Coulter takes Hillary over McCain?

Is that why Buchanan is slobbering all over her?

Sorry, but the MSM is backing Hillary as much as possible without coming right out and endorsing her. Hell, the Democratic party bigwigs frontloaded the primaries to benefit her and all her up front cash. The thought that it would all be over by now. Instead Obama has come out and stunned them, and now has built some serious momentum, while Hillary has hit a brick wall, both in terms of fundraising and appeal, and is in serious danger of losing this election.

My fear is that if Obama gets the nomination, the Democratic machinery will abandon him for the general election, much like they abandoned the upstart McGovern in '72.

[rodeodance]

59. that is one sad illogical post!

[TheDonkey]

12. LOL. The MSM gave her free advertising for nearly a year calling her the presumptive nominee

Just now when they begin to focus on another credible candidate to Hillbots cry foul.

[havocmom]

15. That's what was on my TV too. Wonder what these complainers have been watching

If Edwards had half the coverage HRC has had for the past year, he would be king.

[indigo32]

68. I agree Edwards was gyped

but I have to agree wit the OP. They HATE her.

[creeksneakers2]

72. They called her the front runner, which she was

I never saw anybody in the media call her the presumptive nominee.

[CyberPieHole]

13. Senator Clinton has withstood endless attacks and some incredibly biased reporting by the MSM...

I read somewhere (would have to check sources to confirm) that she got 6 minutes of airtime to Obama's 16 minutes (prior to Super Tuesday)...the MSM has done everything except pick up voters, drive them to to their voting precinct and then feed them milk and cookies. Still, she has come out on top. Obama should not have been such a formidable candidate...he is not specially bright...he is however great at putting on his preacher talk and selling people some snake~oil. The MSM has made him formidable. Once the MSM is gone to do the dirty work for the corporations, Obama would be trounced and we would have a repub for another 4~8 years.

I love Senator Clinton for all the hard work she has done to make the country better.

:kick: and recommend

[REDFISHBLUEFISH]

49. K&R here too!

[cgrindley]

16. Have you forgotten that she's ALWAYS been the frontrunner?

That she's been the most popular, chosen candidate for this entire primary? Were you asleep? Were you paying attention? Did you suffer a head injury?

[robbedvoter]

20. A very maligned frontrunner at that. From day one. Seen this?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4406175
Non-partisan group finds huge media bias against Senator Clinton.

[rodeodance]

56. yes, i have seen that--wishful thinking at all DU'ers would read and think!

[Usrename]

17. lying in the fetal position crying his eyes out ?

The guy is from the south side of Chicago. A week there and Hillary would be in a fetal position, crying her eyes out.

Just sayin' :shrug:

[leftynyc]

21. I wonder if any other candidate

had eyes that misted over would be getting this same ridiculous treatment. Crying her eyes out??? Fetal position??? Why the stupid lies?

[TheDonkey]

24. Do you wonder what the media reaction would be if another candidate got "choked up" on the trail

imagine if Obama got misty eyed or "chocked up."

[leftynyc]

25. You must be kidding

I've seen many men, including the chimp, choke up and they never got the press that Hillary is getting about it. It's only because she's a woman and many men want a stupid reason not to vote for her. Surely you Obama supporters can see that.

[Radical Activist]

30. I remember the Republican who was laughed out of the race after crying.

I forget his name though. It was in '68 or '72.

Obama would definitely suffer if he cried in public.

[leftynyc]

36. I remember that as well

Things have changed a lot - Do you think either a woman or a black man would be the frontrunners in a national election back then.

[Usrename]

69. When the chimp does it all the hair on the back of my neck stands up!

One second he's laughing, then crying, then grinning like he's batshit crazy.

[creeksneakers2]

74. They'd praise his empathy and sincerity.

Unless the primaries are over and he's facing a Republican.

[Usrename]

26. Didn't you read the OP?

I was responding to the line in the OP about Obama lying in fetal position crying his eyes out if he had to endure what Hillary has been through. Don't you see how ridiculous that is? I don't get what's wrong with my response.

Stupid??? Perhaps, but none the less, my statement has got a lot more truth to it than the original nonsense. How long do you think Hillary could survive there? Seriously. More than a week?

[Jed Dilligan]

82. This is funny, no, this is good!

1. OP says Obama would be in fetal position, crying his eyes out

2. Post comes back saying truthfully that if Clinton had to hold her own in the 'hood, she would be (direct quote from OP)

3. Then you come in accusing #2 of telling "stupid lies" about Clinton somehow relating to her "misting" incidents.

so

1. someone speculates about Obama, making him look bad


2. someone turns the speculation around on Clinton, without any change of wording


3. you call #2 out for "lying" and being involved in some kind of conspiracy to defame Clinton.


I would like to say your reading comprehension is poor, but I've seen this enough to know it is a tactic.

(Not saying one side or the other does it more or less--I'm just sick of these shit tactics on DU and I'm going to parse them out wherever I see them.)

[Radical Activist]

32. Hillary grew up in a wealthy Chicago suburb.

Its the kind of town full of people afraid to drive through black neighborhoods on the south side even with their doors locked.

[Straight Shooter]

46. He's from Hawaii, basically.

Land of sun and surf and sand. He ended up in Chicago, and quickly made some powerful friends due to the luck of his personality, his nonthreatening appearance, and his natural smarts.

[Jed Dilligan]

78. More like 25 minutes...

[WillyT]

18. Man... I Just Threw Up In My Mouth...

:puke:

[CyberPieHole]

51. But then you probably do that for sh*ts and giggles anyway.

:hi:

[robbedvoter]

19. She didn't have it easy for a second - even during the "inevitable" time - still negative

While her media embraced opponent was getting commentators banned from CNN - cuz his positive coverage was just not unanimous enough - she just kept fighting.
I was hardly a supporter back when, but she gained my respect with her attitude.

[shadowknows69]

22. You're kidding right?

Hillary has been given more free face time in the media than any candidate.

[YOY]

41. Shhhhh...

We're pretending she's the underdog and anyone with criticism is a misogynist!

[NastyRiffraff]

23. She's really earned my respect

I honestly don't know how she does it, but she's taken every hit, every slur, and come back strong. The more I see of her, the more I like her. One of the reasons I decided to support her after John Edwards dropped out is that she's a fighter. And God knows, we need one.

She'll be as tough as nails in the GE, and as president she has the strength and stamina to move a progressive agenda through Congress. There'll be no swiftboating Hillary Clinton. Well, they'll try, but I'd bet she won't let an hour go by before she forcefully counters.

[highflyingbird]

52. Another Edwards supporter here

Who agrees about Hillary. I was heartbroken when JRE dropped out. But Hillary has won me over.

[Raffi Ella]

61. Hear!Hear!

And THAT is one of the main differences between Barack and Hillary.With his rhetoric of Untiy with the Republican Party -that will fight us every inch of the way on ANY progressive front- I'm not so sure he would fight as hard as Hillary definitely will.



"...she's a fighter. And God knows, we need one."

[krkaufman]

27. Certainly. She does have some haters in the media.

But I can also disrespect her for her actions. The two are not mutually exclusive. Empathize with her when listening to Tweety nonsensically rail against her, and feel dirty when seeing her gaining an advantage through unscrupulous means.

[Radical Activist]

28. She's a former first lady and the media spent a year calling her the front runner.

She has every advantage including the last Democratic President campaigning for her. The fact that she might lose to a newcomer to the national scene reflects what a poor candidate she is.

[robbedvoter]

53. Hissing and spittling "frontrunner" - not really a coronation as a plea to have her unseated

[creeksneakers2]

75. She was a target, not an idol

She gets the most press by far but its almost all negative.

[Perry Logan]

29. Somewhere along the line, people decided it was OK so say any damned thing they want about Hillary.

You see it here every day.

[shayes51]

31. I do.

[pathansen]

34. Thanks! Even on D.U. forum, the hate, at times, seems worse than Bush

[robbedvoter]

58. Been 7 years here - I haven't seen that much hatred directed at Bush as I saw

on this forum at Hillary. All the freeper arguments have been produced, no source too dirty or low. NRA sites, KKK sites - all provided fodder for the fire. Of course, there are some freepers mixed in, pretend DU-ers, but bona fide DU-ers think nothing of following those leads and trying to undo them.
There was a Clenis tread "but what will we tell the children" at the top of page one - 140 or so recs.
At this rate, Free republic may potentially turn out to be a better place for me to visit - as I'd rather see McCain attacked than Hillary.

[adabfree]

35. Respect Hillary?

That's like respecting George Bush, Dick Cheney or Karl Rove...

It's not going to happen..

[mrmx9]

37. Fox was very pro Hillary last night - panel far more positive about her than any other network

Juan Williams (one of Fox's 'Democratic' contributors) bigs up Hillary (and subtlely runs down Obama) at every chance. He is way more partial than Bergala et al

[Maribelle]

38. I think last night Arkansas said: To know Hillary is to love her.

And after all these years, they truly do still love her, and with a passion it seems.

Who knows Hillary better than Arkansas?

[Skwmom]

39. What media are you listening to?

She is only ahead by 10% in California and 40% of the vote was early voting yet they are touting her BIG win. The Clintons have plenty of cheerleaders in the media.

[denem]

40. I repect she has to put up with Herman Munster

Just about the most ham fisted supporter imaginable.

[alcibiades_mystery]

42. You're just an asshole

You can't resist attacking for even one post. You can't say anything nice about your candidate without immediately bashing the other.

You're just a dick.

[RoadRage]

43. Well then you have to respect Obama too..

For going up against the Clintons - they're not exactly an easy force to be reckond with either.. but he seems to be holding his own quite well. And that is something no one expected 6 - 12 months ago.. they thought that yesterday would be the last day Hillary would need to campaign for the Primaries.

[Scriptor Ignotus]

44. that's an interesting take on the situation - eom

[Elspeth]

45. Amen, Herman

And yeah, I'd like to have half the perseverance she has.

[crawfish]

47. That is more than offset...

By the Clinton machine that has been in place for years. She had a decided advantage going into the election over all her opponents.

That being said, I don't really agree with you that the MSM is hurting Clinton. She is as much a recipient of the press as she is the victim. What is hurting her is her public record - which is being rightly brought to light by the press.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

50. Hear Hear! You Are 100% Correct.

Absolutely agree with ya.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

54. Pfff.

The first excuse is always "oh the media's out to get us."

[Proud2BAmurkin]

55. Obama would be destroyed in the event he was nominated.

[rodeodance]

60. gawd--the WORM game would really do him in (What Obama Really Meant)

[rodeodance]

57. Bravo. Right on the button.--and she stands tall. And will stand tall.

[BlackVelvet04]

62. What's rather amusing...

is the more the MSM shows disrespect for her the madder it makes women, and when one woman is pissed she can usually drag along at least 3 or 4 friends. Here, in the mostly rural area where I live, I think women who will never openly admit it will be voting for Hillary. Sort of a guilty pleasure. I don't think it's because the women are afraid to admit it, they just don't want to argue about it with the bubbas around here.

[Avalux]

63. Hillary herself is a propoganda machine, lol.

Why she is all the sudden a beacon of integrity and honesty is very bizarre. She's a politician for god's sake.

[bcoylepa]

64. right - Obama too!!

i get the garbage that is thrown at Hillary and I am impressed that she can stand up to it - but - given where Obama started in the race and given the Clinton machine he has against him I am very impressed with how tall he is standing and how far he has come- it was a given that Hillary would be a major candidate - not a given that Obama would be this close
they are both tough - smart - attractive candidates - but my vote goes to Obama for a new generation of leadership

[BringBigDogBack]

66. Her own war vote?

Yeah, really got to respect that. :sarcasm: :rolleyes:

[katty]

67. that's what I like about her, she been vilified and abused and

she's still standing.

[VotesForWomen]

70. yep; O supporters are blissfully ignorant of the free pass the media is giving him, and the

fact that he has never faced serious scrutiny on a national level.

[Evergreen Emerald]

73. Yes...she is one bad ass chick!

Go Clinton.

[sfam]

76. Agreed. Hillary is a real fighter. And I respect that. But...

She has brought some of this on her own. To think that her and Bill bare no responsibility for some of the negative press is probably not realistic. At some level, she sleeps in a bed of her own making.

But on another level, I agree, the smear campaign is far worse than she deserved. I think a powerful woman in the 90s who, along with her husband, did normal politically slimey stuff (perhaps slightly overboard slimey, but certainly NOWHERE near where they were accused of) was played very differently than if it was just a man doing the normal politically slimey stuff.

[tishaLA]

79. "lay lying"?

Christ, where are the grammar police when you need them?

Sen. Clinton has my respect. I just didn't vote for/contribute to/campaign for her in the primary.

[Thrill]

80. wah wah Poor Hillary

Give me a damn break

Barack has had to come back from 20 points down in almost every state. And Fight the Clinton Machine.

Oh Poor Hillary

[Azathoth]

81. She's so heroic, what with her vast political machine and her $100 million warchest

and her husband using all his muscle to twist arms within the party, and the MSM telling the public for nearly a year that she was "inevitable". Hers in truly a triumph of the little guy. :eyes:

[jlake]

83. Amen.

[rjx]

84. Give me a break

"She is going up against the most powerful goddamn propaganda force in the world - a mainstream media that moves like rabid dogs on everything she does. Yet, she fights back and keeps going."

Maybe if her and hubby didn't resort to shady shit, the media wouldn't be on her ass.


"I don't know what keeps her going""

The prospect of power.


"what Hillary has endured for 15 years"

She chose to endure it. You don't think she had her motives? Seems pretty clear now.

[StevieM]

85. Hillary is a magnificient human being and she'll make a fabulous president (eom)

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