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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 08:42 AM
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AHAHAHAHhahahaha, United Farm Workers to Obama; "YES WE CAN"...endorse Hillary, that is, LOL
Edited on Sun Feb-03-08 08:44 AM by 1corona4u
That's what he gets for stealing their trademarked tagline!!

Registration Date December 22, 1998
Owner (REGISTRANT) United Farm Workers of America, AFL-CIO LABOR UNION CALIFORNIA P.O. Box 62, La Paz Keene CALIFORNIA 93531
Attorney of Record BROOKE OLIVER
Type of Mark SERVICE MARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Affidavit Text SECT 15. SECT 8 (6-YR).
Live/Dead Indicator LIVE


I love it!!!!!


http://www.ufw.org/_board.php?mode=view&b_code=news_press&b_no=3485&page=1&field=&key=&n=507
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ugdude Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 08:45 AM
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1. well
Hillary has stolen credit from other peoples hard work, so shes not one to talk:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2/1/234527/0014/392/448115

When it comes to Hillary Clinton, there is no shortage of unfair and unprincipled reasons for disliking her -- and if you listen to AM talk radio for an hour, you'll probably hear them all.

I reject the sexism of those who still think a former First Lady has no place in policy debates, just as I reject the absurd theories of those who think she had a hand in the death of her close friend Vince Foster.

Having volunteered on Clinton's first senate campaign, I get mad when I hear Rush Limbaugh savage her as a liar and an opportunist. I'm also grateful to her for keeping Rudy Guiliani and Rick Lazio out of the Senate.

But you don't have to be a sexist or a conspiracy theorist to oppose Clinton's candidacy.

I don't dislike Hillary; I distrust her. And my reasons are both substantive, and based on direct personal experience.

When a major issue hit the area where I live, New York's Hudson Valley, Clinton was less than honest with her constituents, and all too eager to take credit where none was due.

Hudson's diary :: ::
For nearly 7 years, Hudson Valley communities were riven with controversy about a vast, coal-burning facility proposed by St. Lawrence Cement here in the Hudson Valley.

The company, a subsidiary of what was then the largest cement manufacturer in the world, had a horrendous track record of both environmental destruction and anti-competitive behavior, with millions of dollars of fines on the books.

The project would have burned some 500 million pounds of coal annually, with a 40-story smokestack, a 1,200-acre mine, and a huge barge facility on the Hudson, an American Heritage River. The controversy was covered everywhere from CNN to Swiss television, and every major Northeast newspapers (The New York Times, Hartford Courant, Boston Globe, et al.) opposed it editorially. The nearly seven-year battle was the subject of a PBS documentary, Two Square Miles.

Given the harsh health, scenic, noise, traffic, economic and other negative potential impacts of the project -- opponents naturally wanted to get the ear of Mrs. Clinton, and we tried everything.

She was approached at campaign whistlestops, at private dinners, and public fundraisers. Printed factsheets were pressed into staffers' hands, and handwritten letters beseeched our new Senator to help end this dangerous idea. But she refused to take any public stand.

Finally, as the leader of the grassroots opposition, I tried the old-fashioned political route. A friend identified a celebrity donor in nearby Dutchess County who was opposed to St. Lawrence's plans, and he called in a big favor. On February 12th 2003, we drove to the Capitol in his limo, and we met with Hillary first in a chamber outside the Armed Services Committee, then took a long walk and tram ride under the Capitol to her offices. Hillary was both charming, and surprisingly well-informed on our issue.

At last, here was my big chance to make a full case for her involvement.

But when I launched into a carefully-prepared spiel, the Senator stopped me: "You don't need to do the presentation," she said. "The plant is a terrible idea. Just tell me how I can help." Delighted, I described the various Federal permitting processes in which she could intervene, and the benefits of her taking a public stand.

She called in her chief environmental policy advisor, and gave detailed instructions: Get a memo on her desk right away, listing the necessary action steps and the policy rationales for each, and she'd get right to work on it. Her performance was smart and convincing, and her celebrity backer and I practically floated down the Capitol steps on the way out.

The rest was silence. After promptly delivering the requested memo, I was never able to get her staff (let alone the Senator herself) to discuss the issue again, let alone take action to stop the plant.

About a year later, Clinton was cornered on the SLC issue by an interviewer from The National Trust for Historic Preservation, who finally got her to say that she thought the proposal was "not the right direction for the Hudson Valley." These remarks were published in Preservation Magazine, which Clinton apparently thought no one would read... because when we then alerted local media to her statement, Clinton's staff denied the remarks and claimed she still had not taken a position.

Only after nearly 14,000 residents and 40 groups wrote in opposition to the Republican administration of George Pataki did this terrible project get scrapped. The company spent $60 million, and yet the citizens managed to stave off the largest cement company in the world -- no thanks to Hillary.

But there was one more damning chapter in our Clinton saga.

After we won, the group I co-founded received an award at the Waldorf-Astoria from the Preservation League of New York. During the award ceremony, it was announced that there would be a video tribute from someone who couldn't attend, but who wanted to pay her respects. Up on a giant screen came Hillary Clinton, talking about how we'd all fought such a good fight together.

Those of us who had been in the trenches for years looked at each other in amazement. All the awful things people say about Hillary were horribly validated: She didn't deliver on her promises, and then she took credit for a victory achieved without her help.

Now, some friends say, "Come now -- all politicians are the same. They tell you what you want to hear, and then do the opposite. Get over it!" Others say, "Well, Hillary dropped the ball on that one, but I still trust her on health care, education, abortion, the economy, et cetera."

To these excuses I say: Other politicians from five states had the guts to take a stand on an issue affecting hundreds of thousands of downwind residents; why couldn't Clinton?

Why should we expect her to act differently the next time a major regional controversy hits? If she won't stand up for the health of our local children and the elderly, and won't expend any political capital to save a broad swath of her own adopted State as its Senator, why should we expect her to behave differently as President?

And why shouldn't I get behind another candidate who is just as strong on core Democratic issues, such as Barack Obama -- whose campaign overtly rejects this cynical brand of politics?

The whole experience brings to mind that phrase famously mangled by our current President: Fool me once, shame on me; fool me twice, shame on Hillary.

And that's why Senator Clinton doesn't have my vote on Super Tuesday. She will almost certainly carry this State, but our votes can help ensure that at least a portion of New York's delegates to the Democratic convention are awarded to a more deserving candidate.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 08:48 AM
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2. Not the point...
Edited on Sun Feb-03-08 08:52 AM by 1corona4u
....nice deflection though....Hillary's not talking about it, I am. I'm not even sure why yous post is relevant...really.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 08:50 AM
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4. Did You Read That Book?
I didn't...
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 08:52 AM
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5. Yes, just because I was curious...
but it has absolutely nothing to do with what I posted....
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 08:55 AM
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9. Wherre In FL Are You? I'm In Orlando
I'm not directly responding to the anti-Hillary garbage any more...

I will not be baited...
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 08:59 AM
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10. West Palm Beach area....
Edited on Sun Feb-03-08 09:00 AM by 1corona4u
:-)

Oh, and I am sick of the anti-Hillary-pro Obama BS.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:12 AM
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22. I Like Palm Beach Gardens
Very familiar with WPB though...
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 08:54 AM
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7. I read about half of it, but I got tired of waiting for the part where Hillary shoots Vince Foster
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 08:55 AM
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8. LOL, and I was looking for something she stole...
but found nothing, LOL...
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ugdude Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 08:59 AM
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11. are you fucking serious?
OMFG. You didnt see anything wrong with what she did? She didnt steal another persons hard working credit after fucking them over?

No seriously. Tell me.
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golddigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:07 AM
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16. This poster, posts the same shit on every thread...n/t
Edited on Sun Feb-03-08 09:08 AM by golddigger
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:10 AM
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20. I reported it...
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:15 AM
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26. So did I..He's mucking up my thread with his kitty litter..
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:03 AM
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14. Hey, are you buddies with HonestyIsAVirtue and yessir?
I'm sorry that they are no longer with us. (NOT.)

I expect you will be joining them soon.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:13 AM
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23. Many of us stopped going to kos a while ago, because of their biased reporting against Hillary.
Please stop bringing it here and posting it exactly where folks are trying to escape this hate. Using kos to support anything in this political season is like doing a voodoo dance.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:06 AM
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31. I never go to Kos...
I have no interest in what they say there, at all.
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 08:49 AM
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3. AHAHAHAHhahahaha
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 08:53 AM
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6. Prettty funny, huh??
LOL
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:03 AM
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13. AHAHAHAHhahahaha
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 08:59 AM
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12. He got permission - he did NOT steal it.

January 15, 2008 5:27
Obama’s “Si Se Puede!”

Posted by Jay Newton-Small | Comments (21) | Permalink | Trackbacks (0) | Email This

When Obama invoked the specter of Cesar Chavez this week in a rally with the Culinary Workers Union in Nevada by proclaiming “Si Se Puede!” -- Chavez’s legendary rallying cry -- I was surprised. After all, the United Farm Workers, Chavez’s organization, had endorsed Hillary in May.

So I called an old acquaintance from college, Paul Chavez – Cesar’s grandson – and asked him if the family okayed Obama’s use of the slogan. Turns out, they had – through the Cesar Chavez Foundation, which keeps Chavez’s archives. “The foundation itself is comfortable with him using the slogan “Si Se Puede” and so is the UFW to a certain extent,” said Paul Chavez, who works with the foundation. “Being that the UFW is very strongly for organized labor and they have a very strong commitment to the Clinton camp there was some conflict internally. The way that it played out was that as long as any individual, whether it’s Hillary, whether it’s Obama, maintains and supports the standards of what the slogan is than we’re comfortable with it because we really feel that it shouldn’t be limited to just one camp. It’s a battle cry, a call to action whether it’s to voting or getting out and participating in the political process.”

http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/01/obamas_si_se_puede.html
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:07 AM
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17. Well, I see at least one lie in there...
That 'article' was posted on Jan. 15th, and says they endorsed Hillary back in May, but according to the UFW website press release, they endorsed Hillary on the 22nd, of Jan;

January 22, 2008: Today in Salinas, California, at an event with more than 2,000 people the United Farm Workers gave its enthusiastic endorsement to Senator Hillary Clinton for President. The UFW represents more than 27,000 farm workers.

"After meeting with and talking to the candidates, the UFW board believes Hillary Clinton to be the strongest, most experienced candidate for President of the United States. She will be able to tackle our nation's toughest problems – health care, improving the economy for working people and repairing our country's standing in the world. Senator Clinton has stood with farm workers and immigrants - fighting for comprehensive immigration reform, sponsoring the UFW sponsored AgJOBS and helping 1,800 farm workers sign a union contract with D'Arrigo after 30 years," said UFW President Arturo Rodriguez

The UFW, founded in 1962 by Cesar E. Chavez and Dolores Huerta, and often described as the conscience of the labor movement for its inspiring fights for low wage working families, is the first successful and most influential farm labor union in the United States. Throughout its 40 year history, the UFW has worked to organize farm workers, raise wages and improve working conditions for its members and all farm workers.

“I am very grateful for the UFW’s support,” said Clinton. “You work in some of the most difficult conditions imaginable, and you do it with courage, optimism and determination. I am humbled to have your support -- and you will have mine.”

Hillary has been endorsed by more than a dozen unions representing about 6 million working families nationwide, including: Retail, Wholesale and Department Store Union; International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers; Transportation Communications Union; National Association of Letter Carriers; International Union of Bricklayers and Allied Craftworkers; American Federation of Teachers; the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees; Sheet Metal, Air, Rail and Transportation Workers; Amalgamated Transit Union; Office and Professional Employees International Union; and the International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees, Moving Picture Technicians, Artists and Allied Crafts, and the International Union of Painters and Allied Trades.


http://www.ufw.org/_board.php?mode=view&b_code=news_press&b_no=3485&page=1&field=&key=&n=507


More BS from an Obama I suppose......
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:07 AM
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18. I guess what their saying up above is Obama's permission has been revoked.
Edited on Sun Feb-03-08 09:08 AM by Maribelle
Get it yet?
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:06 AM
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15. I truly believe Obama lacks original thought.
His supporters are hard pressed to find anything really new in his old-style politics
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:09 AM
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19. Who was the first to use the slogan in the 2008 campaign?
Who is copying that tactic? (i.e. who was second to use it in the 2008 campaign?)

It is the mark of a good leader to recognize a good idea and find new ways to apply it, or even just to use it to their own organization's advantage even if such use isn't particularly original.

Btw, the poster who started the anti-Hillary flamebait thread on this topic earlier, is an OBVIOUS troll. We'll see how long before he receives his granite.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:14 AM
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25. First??? So Obama is copying Hillary by breathing?
Give us a break.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:17 AM
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28. Agreed, their song title 'Yes I Can' stolen from Dolores Huerta
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:11 AM
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:13 AM
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24. THANKS!!!!
:-) It's hard work, but someone has to do it....LOL
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:16 AM
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27. Personal attack?
Against the rules.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:18 AM
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29.  the usual daily greeting from Obama supporters..
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 10:03 AM
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30. No doubt....
What's really interesting though, is, I don't remember this endorsement being a big thing in the media, like all of the twitty ones Obama gets...maybe I missed it, but I'm sure, had I seen it before, I would have pointed out the irony before. :-)
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 12:53 PM
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32. K
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 04:12 PM
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33. Kicking for the cult...
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