A comparative demographic I'd like to see between Clinton and Obama voters

[theHandpuppet]

I've seen past demographics on voters for the various candidates but the one I'd like to see would reflect the number of voters (for either Clinton or Obama) who would identify themselves as evangelical (or fundamentalist) Christians. Who is going to be holding the IOU when it comes time for legislation regarding women's reproductive rights, gay rights, Supreme Court appointments, etc.? These are vital issues to me and to this household and we're tired of being tossed under the bus to appease the religious right.

[Jed Dilligan]

1. I don't think anyone calls himself a "fundamentalist"

and some evangelical denominations are pro-choice and pro-women's rights. Your statistic wouldn't really mean anything unless you broke it down to specific church membership.

[theHandpuppet]

3. Okay, you tell which evangelical denominations...

... support choice and gay rights.

We're not going to see a demographic breakdown like the one I described because some folks might be afraid of the truth.

[Jed Dilligan]

7. You would have to define evangelical first

Most Christian sects have some idea of delivering the "Good News" (eu angelos) to nonbelievers--it's a pretty basic idea in the religion.

I don't know much about Christianity (not being one myself--you can find me fighting Christians if you search DU) but I know that some of the ultra-liberal churches that help the poor in my city consider themselves evangelical.

The identity/position that you are trying to capture is a slippery one, and would probably require a metric of at least three or more survey questions.

[theHandpuppet]

11. That would be fine with me.

"The identity/position that you are trying to capture is a slippery one, and would probably require a metric of at least three or more survey questions."

Let's get to the nitty gritty, then. I'm sure such a study is possible.

[Jed Dilligan]

13. Possible, but expensive

I wonder if any of the big pollsters are interested? It is a very interesting question.

[lurky]

2. Here's what Obama said to Planned Parenthood last summer:

Speaking at the Planned Parenthood conference in DC this afternoon, Barack Obama leveled harsh words at conservative Supreme Court justices, and he offered his own intention to appoint justices with "empathy." Obama hinted that the court's recent decision in Gonzales v. Carhart -- which upheld a ban on partial-birth abortion -- was part of "a concerted effort to steadily roll back" access to abortions. And he ridiculed Justice Anthony Kennedy, who wrote that case's majority opinion. "Justice Kennedy knows many things," he declared, "but my understanding is that he does not know how to be a doctor."

Obama also won a laugh at the expense of Chief Justice John Roberts, saying that judgments of Roberts' character during his confirmation hearings were largely superficial. "He loves his wife. He's good to his dog," he joked, adding that judicial philosophy should be weighted more seriously than such evaluations. "We need somebody who's got the heart, the empathy, to recognize what it's like to be a young teenage mom. The empathy to understand what it's like to be poor, or African-American, or gay, or disabled, or old. And that's the criteria by which I'm going to be selecting my judges."

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/07/17/274143.aspx

[theHandpuppet]

4. Nice speech, but it doesn't tell me who he's pandering to now for votes

And if that happens to be religious conservatives that tune could change like the wind when it really comes payback time. Same goes for Clinton. Where is the conservative Christian vote going among those who will be voting Democratic? I want to see the numbers.

[Kittycat]

5. Conservative christians that vote dem this time around -

aren't doing so because of GLBT or Woman's rights reasons. They'll do so because of the economy & the war (trust me, not all fundies are for what is going on right now). It's my personal belief, that they would lean more towards Obama based SOLELY on the history of the Clintons. I'm sure they have some measure of comfort in him not carrying that baggage.

[theHandpuppet]

9. Are you speaking for the conservative Christian community?

Or are you a mind reader? Do you have facts or numbers to back up those statements? I don't mean to be rude, but I want a real demographic study and I'd like to hear from them myself as to why they are voing for a particular candidate.

[ErnestoG]

6. Since Obama is pro-choice, anti-bigot and liberal, I won't worry for a second.

I'll hold your IOUs for ya if you like.

[theHandpuppet]

8. That's not what I asked, is it.

But the fact the some folks are trying so hard to deflect the issue is interesting.

[neutron]

10. Pro Choice? Obama Dodges Voting on Reproductive Issues.

[neutron]

12. NOW does not like Obama

for good reason.