If a person trusted Bush in 2003, how good can her judgment possibly be?

[burythehatchet]

:shrug:

[speedoo]

1. Not very good at all.

Pretty bad, actually, and certainly not the kind of judgement I want in the WH for the next 4/6 years.

[Bitwit1234]

2. Don't say that...you get your guy in trouble when he BELIEVED BUSH

back when he gave an exclusive interview to the Chicago Trib. He told the reporter and it is archived at the Trib, that he believed President Bush when he said that Iran had nuclear weapons and that he, himself would bomb Iran....I didn't say he did and it's over at the Trib.

[burythehatchet]

3. how do I get JED in trouble?

:shrug:

[gulliver]

4. If a person believes your framing of the issue is valid...

...how good can their judgment possibly be.

[burythehatchet]

5. typical obligatory Clinton campaign style response, how the hell did you get through my Ignore net?

:hi:

[gulliver]

17. Hey, I admire the rhetorical device being used...

...but oversimplifying life and death issues like war is no better than hiding in nuance. I believe Hillary's account. I don't believe either Kerry or Edwards deserve to be tarred with their IWR vote like it is some kind of scarlet letter.

[burythehatchet]

18. well what did THESE Senators know?? The story lies in the amendments

YEAs ---24
Akaka (D-HI)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Byrd (D-WV)
Chafee (R-RI)
Conrad (D-ND)
Corzine (D-NJ)
Dayton (D-MN)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI)
Leahy (D-VT)
the Levin Amendment(D-MI)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Reed (D-RI)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Wellstone (D-MN)
Wyden (D-OR)

[gulliver]

21. That was addressed in the debate tonight.

Basically Clinton said that the amendment would have made American action dependent on U.N. approval and she did not want to set that precedent. She did say she regretted what Bush did with the authority she helped give him.

The people in New York re-elected her overwhelmingly. Wes Clark (who was supposedy for the Levin Amendment, BTW) endorsed Hillary.

[BlackVelvet04]

6. Look at the vote.......

and see who else voted for it.

[burythehatchet]

9. They're no longer running for president. And that's not the point

She assumed a leadership position in the Senate the moment she arrived. She had an obligation to lead on the big issues and she was complicit with many Dems in giving our positions away. That IS NOT leadership. She is not a leader, she is a technocrat.

[BlackVelvet04]

15. Did you see every bit of the information she was given?

Were you there? I feel pretty secure in saying you weren't.

Edwards voted for it. Kerry voted for it. Lots of people voted for both of them. I think maybe you guys are desperate because it is the ONLY issue Obama had any leg up on Hillary tonight.

[burythehatchet]

16. I didn't need to. Follow the logic: There was evidence that Iraq was disarmed.

There was no evidence to the contrary. Certainly, the bushies misled the senate, no one doubts that, but it still comes down to trusting Bush without verification. Fatal.

[Avalux]

7. Not good. I knew not to trust him; she knows him better than I.

Either she trusted him which shows very poor judgement or she knew of the lies and went along anyway.
AND - she has never been able to apologize for being wrong. NEVER.

[burythehatchet]

12. that's the point, I knew. And I have another full time job to occupy me n/t

[ElsewheresDaughter]

8. can you stop raining on this wonderful parade of our wonderful candidates for 1 night?

[burythehatchet]

13. I can. Are you sending me to my room?

[City Lights]

10. Her poor judgement has become her Achilles heel.

I'll never understand why anyone would trust bush on anything. My teenagers know better than to take his word on anything. Why Hillary trusted him is beyond me.

[burythehatchet]

14. OH MAN>>I just saw Troy with Pitt as Achilles. COOL movie.

[Samantha]

11. Her judgment was not as good as that of the average DU'er

Many of us were outraged at that time and remain so today. Tonight's debate did not change that for me. My question at that time was if Bush* cannot be trusted to tell the truth about an election, how can he be trusted on an issue of war. I too thought she was either incredibly naive to trust this man or she was covering her political flank for her presidential run. I have never changed my mind on that opinion. And that's exactly why I will not vote for her.

Either way, people should not die because of the naivety of political leaders or their proclivity to cover their political posteriors. And millions have.

Sam

[1corona4u]

19. 99-1...

She wasn't alone...besides, Bush was going in anyway...I think it's a moot argument.

[burythehatchet]

20. whoa, check-mate, dude!

[krkaufman]

22. That is definitely PART of the problem.

Any dumb bunny KNEW that the Iraq resolution would be used by Bush to take us to war. Both Kerry and Clinton have said, during their respective Presidential campaigns, that Bush didn't adhere to the resolution's requirements in taking the country to war -- but neither have sought impeachment hearings against him for having done so, making their protestations ring hollow.

Further, she repeatedly says "if I knew then what I know now" that she wouldn't have voted for the resolution; but might she not have known then what she knows now if she had bothered to actually read the Iraq NIE before voting to support going to war? Simple question of Hillary... Did you read the Iraq NIE before voting to authorize force?

Here's a great post over on MyDD, with a relevant excerpt on how the Right Wing used Kerry's vote and his failure to read the NIE against him...

http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/3/20/10952/2513

This original Dana Priest reporting was repackaged as an attack (legitimate) on John Kerry by the GOP in July of '04 when it was revealed that the Democratic nominee himself did not read the full classified Iraq NIE (see Reuters). It was important to read the full NIE because the dissents were not in the summary views.

If Hillary's the Dem nominee, you can bank on a barrage of "she voted for the war, before she supported surrender" and "the dog ate Hillary's homework" campaign ads.