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Tropics_Dude83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:37 PM
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So, it turns out Chris Matthews is in the tank for wait for it...Hillary!!
Edited on Thu Jan-31-08 12:38 PM by Tropics_Dude83
It was B.S. spun by Clinton supporters after her Iowa loss desperate to make her into a victim. Now, let's look at the facts:
1. After each debate Chris Matthews has come on and stated that Hillary looked presidential, was head and shoulders above the rest of the field and was looking forward to the general. He called her dominant time and time and time again.
2. After the famous illegal immigration Hillary debacle, he came on and said "another great performance for Hillary but this driver's license thing might be a issue.
3. I saw a DU'er post that he was on Morning Joe saying that the snub is devasting for Obama and will help her big time.
4. He's called Bush/Cheney war criminals for going to war against Iraq (which they are) but that's beside the point.

Chris is an anti-Bush, pro Clinton stooge. This whole thing about Chris being a republican hack is so false. One thing is true though. He listens to his corporate bosses, who have obviously told him that he has got to push Hillary hard.

Watch him tonight declaring that Hillary romped to victory in the debates!
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:39 PM
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1. Fuck Tweety
But the assertion that he is pro-Clinton is laughable

http://mediamatters.org/action_center/matthews_monitor/
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:40 PM
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2. He's pro-drama
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:42 PM
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5. Bingo!
The whole concept of the snub was just to delicious for him.
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neutron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:49 PM
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14. Matthews has been trying to cut Her Throat for over 8 years.
Edited on Thu Jan-31-08 12:55 PM by neutron
He used to have three guests on his show and they would all sit around
taking potshots at her.
His bitterness came about when the Clintons passed him over for the
position of Press Secretary.
Hillary went for Dee Dee Myers.

Matthews continually talks about how the Kennedy endorsement is huge
for Obama. Of course, Clinton's Florida victory punched a hole in
that myth.
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TheDeathadder Donating Member (731 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:57 PM
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18. Amen!!
and sadly he really did lots of Obama and Clinton people to strangle each other instead of work together. It's cool because Clinton or Obama...We're Going To Win This One!!
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:41 PM
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3. You lost me after "So". n/t
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:42 PM
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7. LOL
:D
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:43 PM
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9. lmao
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:41 PM
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4. You're going AAALLLLL the way back
to a few months ago to make this moronic claim. He's been trashing Senator Clinton non-stop for 10+ years. Perhaps he called her the winner of the debates because as well as Senator Obama can give an inspired speech, he happens to be terrible at debates. Try Media Matters for more on this. You'll get quite the education.
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Tropics_Dude83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:42 PM
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6. Isn't Media Matters pro Hillary Clinton? N/T
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:30 PM
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24. Only according to Rush
Everything there is documented very well. It's been a great resource for our side of the aisle for years now. You want to dis it, be my guest.
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Democrat 4 Ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:43 PM
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8. OP uses faulty logic -much like Tweety - to support his assertion
Edited on Thu Jan-31-08 12:44 PM by Democrat 4 Ever
that Tweety hearts Hillary. OP has overlooked the numerous occasions where he has called Hillary shrill, only getting her Senator seat because Bill messed around, has emasculated her supporters for cheering her on, the list goes on and on.

Hillary is an excellent candidate - IMHO - and does well in debates, discussion, etc. but to actually think Tweety Bird is on her side is walking into dangerously delusional territory. Step back from the edge.

*Edit for a typo
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:44 PM
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10. Honestly he is not pro dem, he's playing us
I believe there is nothing he'd like better than to make both of the remaining candidates into horses behinds. Ignore him and don't try to use anything he says to help prove a point.
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itcfish Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:44 PM
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11. OMG How Can You Say That?
Chris Matthews has an intense hate for Hillary. Have you watched his show? He practically spits when he says her name.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:52 PM
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16. He practically spits?
No practically about it. He spits all the time when he's talking, especially when he gets carried away. I posted a few weeks ago how I saw a piece of spittle as big as a meteorite fly out of his mouth and I'm 99% sure it landed in Morning Joe's mug when they were at some diner and covering the primaries from there. I waited around to see if Joe drank it but they went to commercial break and I had to get back to work. Dam that was gross.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:45 PM
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12. Sorry...But no one has been more vocal, overall, against Hillary than Tweety.
Today is Hillary is Good Day, tomorrow a different Tweety will show up and it will be Hillary is Bad day.


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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:46 PM
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13. Get out of the sun Dude,
Matthews has never been, and never will be a Clinton shill. He's a vile and disgusting misogynist who basks in the drama he creates.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:51 PM
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15. Oh, for crying out loud. Email I saved from Media Matters...READ IT!:
The Weekly Update from Media Matters for America

MSNBC's Chris Matthews problem

I do not care which person is your candidate. I don't care what you think of Hillary Clinton as a potential president. What is being done in the press is akin to a pack of rabid 7th graders trying to haze the nerdy girl in school simply because they can. It has nothing to do with her qualifications -- it has to do with gender, and these lemming pundits think that it's perfectly acceptable because everyone is doing it, including women like Andrea Mitchell and Anne Kornblut.
-- Christy Hardin Smith, Firedoglake

"OK, let's put the gender thing in here. I love gender politics, guys."
-- Chris Matthews

The behavior Christy Hardin Smith describes has its epicenter on MSNBC's Hardball, where rarely a day goes by without host Chris Matthews sputtering and shouting about Hillary Clinton, often in terms that would give Bobby Riggs pause.

Put simply, Matthews behaves as though he is obsessed with Hillary Clinton. And not "obsessed" in a charming, mostly harmless, Lloyd-Dobler-with-a-boom-box kind of way. "Obsessed" in a this-person-needs-help kind of way.

More than six years ago, long before Hillary Clinton began running for president, the Philadelphia Inquirer magazine reported that, according to an MSNBC colleague, Matthews had said of Clinton: "I hate her. I hate her. All that she stands for."

Even before that, Matthews told the January 20, 2000, Hardball audience, "Hillary Clinton bugs a lot of guys, I mean, really bugs people like maybe me on occasion. I'm not going to take a firm position here, because the election is not coming up yet. But let me just say this, she drives some of us absolutely nuts."

Not that there was much chance his feelings would go unnoticed by even the most casual Hardball viewer.

Matthews has referred to Clinton as "She devil." He has repeatedly likened Clinton to "Nurse Ratched," referring to the "scheming, manipulative" character in One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest who "asserts arbitrary control simply because she can." He has called her "Madame Defarge." And he has described male politicians who have endorsed Clinton as "castratos in the eunuch chorus."

Matthews has compared Clinton to a "strip-teaser" and questioned whether she is "a convincing mom." He refers to Clinton's "cold eyes" and the "cold look" she supposedly gives people; he says she speaks in a "scolding manner" and is "going to tell us what to do."

Matthews frequently obsesses over Clinton's "clapping" -- which he describes as "Chinese." He describes Clinton's laugh as a "cackle" -- which led to the Politico's Mike Allen telling him, "Chris, first of all, 'cackle' is a very sexist term." (Worth remembering: When John McCain was asked by a GOP voter referring to Clinton, "How do we beat the bitch?" Allen reacted by wondering, "What voter in general hasn't thought that?" So Allen isn't exactly hypersensitive to people describing Clinton in sexist terms.)

Matthews repeatedly suggests Clinton is a "fraud" for claiming to be a Yankees fan, despite the fact that all available evidence indicates that Clinton has been a Yankees fan since childhood. In April of 2007, former Washington Post reporter John Harris, who has written a book about Bill Clinton, told Matthews to his face that the attacks on Clinton over her history of being a Yankees fan were false. Harris said: "Hillary Clinton got hazed over saying she was a New York Yankees fan. It turned out, actually, that was right. She had been a lifelong Yankees fan. But people were all over for supposedly embroidering her past." But Matthews doesn't let a little thing like the truth get in the way of his efforts to take cheap shots at Clinton: At least twice since Harris set him straight, Matthews has attacked Clinton over the Yankees fan nonsense, once calling her a "fraud."

Matthews has described Clinton as "witchy" and -- in what appears to be a classic case of projection -- claimed that "some men" say Clinton's voice sounds like "fingernails on a blackboard." In what appears to be an even more classic case of projection, Matthews has speculated that there is "out there in the country ... some gigantic monster -- big, green, horny-headed, all kinds of horns coming out, big, aggressive monster of anti-Hillaryism that hasn't shown itself: it's based upon gender."

Matthews has suggested that Hillary Clinton "being surrounded by women" might "make a case against" her being "commander in chief." He once asked a guest if "the troops out there" would "take the orders" from "Hillary Clinton, commander in chief." When his guest responded, "Why wouldn't they listen to a commander in chief? Sure," Matthews responded: "You're chuckling a little bit, aren't you?" When his guest responded "No," Matthews couldn't quite believe it, sputtering: "No problem? No problem? No problem?"

Matthews has wondered if she is unable "to admit a mistake" because doing so would lead people to call her a "fickle woman." He has said that Clinton is on a "short ... leash" as a presidential candidate, lacking "latitude in her husband's absence" to answer a question. He has, at least twice, called Hillary Clinton an "uppity" woman -- both times, pretending to attribute the phrase to Bill Clinton. But, as Bob Somerby has explained, there is no evidence Clinton has ever used the term.

One of Matthews' favorite topics is Clinton's marriage. After The New York Times ran an article purporting to count the number of nights the Clintons spend together, Matthews' imagination ran wild, and the MSNBC host couldn't get the Clintons' marital life out of his mind. At one point, Media Matters counted 90 separate questions Matthews asked guests about the topic during seven separate programs; the number undoubtedly grew after we stopped counting. In the middle of one of Matthews' bouts of obsessive speculation about how often the Clintons are "together in the same roof overnight, if you will," Washington Post reporter Lois Romano asked him, "hat is your obsession with logistics here?" In response, Matthews snapped at her: "Because I'm talking to three reporters, and I'm trying to get three straight answers, so I don't want attitude about this. It's a point of view -- I want facts. Tell me what the facts are, Lois, if you know them. If you don't, I don't know what you're arguing about."

Matthews has claimed: "he reason she's a U.S. senator, the reason she's a candidate for president, the reason she may be a front-runner is her husband messed around." John McCain's political career got started after he left his first wife for a wealthy and politically connected heiress, married her, and ran for Congress. But Chris Matthews doesn't suggest that the reason McCain is a "U.S. senator ... a candidate for president ... a front-runner" is that he "messed around." Even Fox News' Bill O'Reilly said Matthews' comments about Clinton went too far: "I mean, it's rough business what these people over there are doing. We don't do that here. We would never say that Senator Clinton got her job because her husband messed around. I mean, that is -- that is a personal attack. And it is questionable whether a network should allow that or not."

Matthews periodically gets it into his head that the most important question in the world is whether Bill Clinton will be a "distraction" or whether he will "behave himself." He badgers Clinton aides about the question and warns that Bill Clinton "better watch it." He asks if Clinton will be a "good boy" or be guilty of "misbehavior." Matthews is not so subtly referring to Clinton's affair with Monica Lewinsky. But curiously, he doesn't have the same concerns about McCain or about Rudy Giuliani, as I wrote nearly a year ago.

Think about this for a second: Chris Matthews is holding it against Hillary Clinton that her husband cheated on her. But he doesn't hold it against John McCain and Rudy Giuliani that they cheated on their spouses. Matthews seems to think women are to blame when their husbands have affairs -- and men who cheat on their spouses are blameless.

And then there's Matthews' fixation on Hillary Clinton's "ambition." In December 1999, Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson appeared on Hardball to discuss Clinton's Senate campaign. Matthews asked Wolfson eight consecutive questions about whether Clinton was "ambitious." Finally, Matthews said, "People who seek political power are ambitious by definition," leading Wolfson to tell him: "if you say so. If it will make you happy, I'll agree." If Matthews has ever displayed as much interest in the "ambition" of male candidates like John McCain, Rudy Giuliani, Fred Thompson, or Mike Huckabee, he has done so in private.

And, in the midst of his years-long assault on Hillary Clinton, much of it either directly based on her gender or on a sexist double standard, Matthews has the audacity to accuse Clinton of being "anti-male" and to insist that "she should just lighten up on this gender -- 'the boys are coming to get me' routine."

None of this should surprise us. Chris Matthews acknowledged his feelings about Hillary Clinton long ago: "I hate her. I hate her. All that she stands for." And "she drives some of us absolutely nuts."

But Matthews' questionable treatment of women extends beyond Hillary Clinton.

Matthews has described House Speaker Nancy Pelosi as "scary" and suggested she would "castrate" House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer. And he has wondered how she could disagree with President Bush "without screaming? How does she do it without becoming grating?"

Just this week, Matthews claimed there isn't a plausible female presidential candidate "on the horizon" because there aren't any "big-state women governors" -- but Washington Gov. Christine Gregoire, Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano, Connecticut Gov. Jodi Rell, and Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius all run states with populations comparable to male governors who have recently run for president, including Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee, and Bill Richardson. How large a state does a woman have to run before she qualifies as a plausible presidential candidate to Chris Matthews? One that is twice as large as Mitt Romney's Massachusetts? Three times as large?

Last October, Matthews mused aloud about a hypothetical couple trying to decide who to support for president. In Matthews' mind, the wife just wants to see "the first woman president." According to Matthews, the husband has to explain the math to his wife: "he husband says, 'You know, dear, you know, this is going to kill our tax bracket. You know that tuition thing we pay every couple of years for the kids, every year, we can't do that if we get a higher tax bracket. We have to pay more money.' "

After the Des Moines Register endorsed Hillary Clinton earlier this year, Matthews suggested that the paper's "female editors and publisher" succumbed to "lobbying" by Bill Clinton.

Matthews has repeatedly focused on the physical characteristics of his female guests. He recently began an interview with conservative radio host and author Laura Ingraham by telling her, "I'm not allowed to say this, but I'll say it -- you're beautiful and you're smart." He ended the interview by saying: "I get in trouble for this, but you're great looking, obviously. You're one of the gods' gifts to men in this country. But also, you are a hell of a writer." Note that Matthews said Ingraham is also a good writer -- apparently, to Chris Matthews, there is no reason for men to care about whether a woman can write, only about how she looks.

Matthews' comments about Ingraham came only a month after he told CNBC anchor Erin Burnett, "You're a knockout," adding: "It's all right getting bad news from you." Matthews also told Burnett: "Come on in closer. No, come in -- come in further -- come in closer. Really close." Matthews made such a spectacle of himself during the exchange that The New York Post said "it sure looked" like Matthews had been "perving on CNBC hottie Erin Burnett on live TV the other night." Matthews explained that he had merely been "kidding around."

During MSNBC's April 26, 2007, coverage of the first Democratic presidential debate, Matthews discussed the "cosmetics" of the evening. In doing so, he complimented Michelle Obama's pearl necklace and declared that she "looked perfect," "well-turned out ... attractive -- classy, as we used to say. Like Frank Sinatra, 'classy.' "

Matthews also appeared to argue that many viewers would be basing their decisions about the candidates on how, in Clinton's case, the candidate was dressed, or, in the case of the male candidates, how their spouses were dressed: "Some people are, by the way, just watching tonight. They stopped listening a half-hour in, and they noticed how pretty she is -- Michelle -- and they said, 'I like the fact he's got this pretty wife. He's happily married. I like that.' They like the fact that Hillary was demure, lady-like in her appearance." When NBC chief foreign affairs correspondent Andrea Mitchell interjected, noting "You're talking about two ... lawyers," who went to "Harvard and Yale," Matthews defended himself, saying, "Cosmetics are a part of this game."

Nor is any of this new: In August 1999, Matthews hosted notorious liar Gennifer Flowers, during which he told her: "I gotta pay a little tribute here. You're a very beautiful woman, and I -- and I have to tell you, he knows that, you know that, and everybody watching knows that; Hillary Clinton knows that. How can a woman put up with a relationship between her husband and somebody, anybody, but especially somebody like you that's a knockout?" After Flowers told him "Gosh, you make me blush here," Matthews replied, "t's an objective statement, Gennifer. I'm not flirting."

In 2000, Matthews responded to linguist Deborah Tannen's explanation of then-presidential candidate George W. Bush's efforts to appeal to women voters by saying, "So is this like the political equivalent of Spanish fly? That these seductive number of words you just drop out there and women just swoon." That led another Hardball guest, Lynn Martin -- a Republican -- to point out, "You wouldn't suggest he's seducing men."

Chris Matthews has been treating female guests as sexual objects for years. He has been judging women -- senators, presidential candidates, the speaker of the House -- on their clothes and their voices and their appearance for years. He has been referring to women as "castrating" for years. He has been applying double standards to male and female candidates for years.

This is who Chris Matthews is. He is a man who thinks that men who support women politicians are "eunuchs."

He isn't going to stop unless you make him stop. Chris Matthews uses his voice to marginalize women. Use yours to tell MSNBC you've had enough.

It's time to play a little "hardball." Please contact MSNBC and Chris Matthews today and let them know what you think.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:55 PM
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17. Chris has not hidden his disdain for the Clintons.
Anyone with eyes recoginze HRC has looked Presidential.
He would look like a complete idiot if he said otherwise. He is
not stupid.

Romney looks Presidential but this surely does mean I support him.

Chris has been one biggest Obama Swooners. If you want to know
where I think his heart is---with McCain.



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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:57 PM
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19. Pro~Clinton? Come~on...if anything he's pro~Obama (at least for now)...
thats just so he can tear him apart in the GE...Tweety is pure repub...

Welcome to DU, by the way.:hi:
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TheDeathadder Donating Member (731 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:05 PM
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20. I'm Pro-Clinton
Does that count? ;)
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:09 PM
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21. Chris Matthews is an idiot savant, without the savant part
Edited on Thu Jan-31-08 01:10 PM by TexasObserver
I cannot listen to the man blab on incessantly, drawing bad analogies based upon some story some professor told him in college 40 years ago. I don't know if he has a favorite, because I can't listen to him long enough to know.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:11 PM
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22. I think you are on the wrong track. The Republicans have their
Edited on Thu Jan-31-08 01:11 PM by higher class
plan and he is one of their players just as he has been since MSNBC was launched.

the Republicans desparately want Clinton as the Dem nominee. How many years have they been talking about her running for President in 2008? They have probably had batallions of tax paid people going through everything in the WH digging up stuff and they are going to resurrect the old stuff.

MSNBC does not need to curry favors from Dems. They need to continue to work with Republicans. That is where the deals are signed.

Clinton hating will make them money. What you see is positioning to make money.

Money and the GE agenda - that's what it's all about.

And this is the key -

we don't know for sure how hawkish Hillary Clinton is - she might deliver what the corporations want so it is part love, part hatred. She is perfect for their objectives.

I don't trust MSNBC. Olberman is an aberration. He is genuine in his opinion and brilliant, but giving him the platform is making their bottom line comfortable.

All the Clinton haters are still at MSNBC and it is going to be a revised war against them. They just have to get her in place. Obama is too risky to attack in the same way.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:12 PM
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23. strange ... I didn't think he went that way ...
I thought he was lusting after Dumbya's package ... or at least trying to keep up appearances by hooking up with Mannthraxx Coultercaust ...
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