If Edwards does endorse someone, I hope he does make a deal

[Maven]

because I want him to be a prominent part of whatever administration we end up with.

I want him to be the conscience of the new administration, whispering in the president's ear on behalf of the poor. I want him to act as a check on corporate power in government. I want him to have some of the spotlight the vacuous media unjustly denied him during his campaign.

It's strange--I didn't count myself as officially in his camp when he was in the running, but now that he's out I feel we've all lost something. I think that loss will be palpable during the debate tomorrow.

I'm hoping that his role on the national stage is not over. I know that Edwards supporters are disappointed he won't be president. But he can still do a lot of good within a Clinton or Obama administration, if they're smart enough to give him the chance.

[cgrindley]

1. In order to strike a deal... it helps to be relevant or in a position of power

Edwards is neither.

[Maven]

2. Edwards' endorsement would be powerful.

And I think he's absolutely relevant.

[Name removed]

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[Syrinx]

5. "No one in the real world likes him"

Are you serious?

Maybe you meant that the corporate fatcats were scared of him?

[Clark2008]

31. I'm the furthest thing from a corporate fatcat - I hate them - and

I was neither scared of him nor liked him. I read his record. He was about as anti-corporate as Cheney when he was a senator.

[Two Americas]

6. you lose all credibility

You lose all credibility you may have had with posts such as this. This is out of line in so many ways. Why kick a fellow Dem when they are down? Why dismiss a Democratic politician in such mean-spirited terms?

People who have just lost a candidate that they worked hard for and contributed to - and in all sincerity believed was the best for all of us, whether or not you agreed with them - could be excused for making a careless or thoughtless remark. But you - you are making a cold and calculated attack that is intended to hurt and anger another person. Shame on you, What possible excuse or justification do you have for this boorish and decidedly illiberal behavior?

This is unspeakably rude, mean-spirited and cruel.

[Control-Z]

21. "Certain" members

just like to stir the crap. And, yes, certain members can be rude, mean-spirited and cruel. But I'm not calling anyone out. That's against the rules.

[cgrindley]

22. After all the pro-Edwards negative everyone else crap, you should just

take it. Jesus. The pro-Edwards camp was so irritating that it actually caused a reorganization of the forums here. So now that your candidate lost you want everyone to forget how shitty his supporters were to the rest of the world? Forget it.

[cbayer]

24. ditto that

as a new poster here, the treatment i received from edwards supporters was across the board ugly. and i am undecided.

[Control-Z]

25. ...

:rofl:

[Two Americas]

51. two wrongs

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Is this the "mommy he hit me first!" defense?

I am sorry, but no matter how bad you think other people's behavior may have been, it does not justify yours.

[citizen snips]

66. re-organization of the forum?

don't make it sound like a conspiracy

[bobbolink]

53. WHY? Because it's a concerted effort to remove all of us to the left of the Rep-lites!

This has been the goal of the DLC from their beginning.... neutralize and then remove those of us standing in the way of their beloved corporations.

It's so far been quite effective, hasn't it?

[SeattleGirl]

7. Not true at all.

He was/is a threat to the corporate M$M and to corporations in general. That's why they silenced him.

He is NOT irrelevant.

If you listen to any of the candidates left, they have all picked up on his message, even the Repukes. (Not that they would actually walk his talk, but they did pick up on it.).

Please stop pissing in our Wheaties.

He may not have been your choice, and that's fine.

But it's not fine to bash him. His is an important voice for us, even if he was silenced.

Many of us still hear that voice, and still agree with his message.

[cgrindley]

10. His voice wasn't silenced... no one was listening

he didn't win anything and so he dropped out. It wasn't some conspiracy. He just didn't do very well. The voters didn't like him. He didn't impress anyone in the debates. He had some pretty bad press over some rather obvious issues and that was about that for him. He's not some savior. He's just a guy who fell by the roadside in a fairly routine primary process.

[AndyA]

28. Once again, you're wrong.

Media coverage of Edwards was substantially less than coverage for Clinton and Obama, and yes it does make a difference.

You've been suckered in by the corporate media. You have all the symptoms: denial of the facts, and an abusive way of defending your statements.

If Edwards didn't impress you in the debates, you weren't watching the same debates I was.

[Clark2008]

33. I watched them and determined he was a big, fat liar.

Not everyone shares your opinion of Edwards. Many, many, many people thought he was a PHONY.

[AndyA]

34. Well, that "phony" was our best chance at fixing this country.

Hillary won't be changing much, she owes too many favors.

And the media is going to take down Barack, now that everyone else is out of the way.

So congrats, we'll now know who to blame when President McCain moves into the White House next year.

[cgrindley]

65. No he wasn't. Obama is (nt)

[Darth_Kitten]

70. Right, he with his great overwhelming compassion and cue cards.

n/t

[asdjrocky]

41. Do you realize how stupid you look right now?

Just wonderin'

[Darth_Kitten]

69. Maybe they should have listened.....

that is, if they had the intelligence to even comprehend his message.

[Clark2008]

32. He wasn't a threat to my dog, much less the corporations.

He was DLC for longer than he was a "populist," which was never.

[foxer]

35. Don't recall him having an issue with your dog. When was that???

[Hippo_Tron]

8. In an election as close as this, Edwards' endorsement is enough to tip it

Obama is closing the gap, but the question is whether or not he can do it fast enough. Edwards' endorsement could give him the momentum he needs to cross the finish line or give Hillary enough of a boost to make it impossible for Obama to catch up.

[cgrindley]

11. I've got news for you... primary's over... Obama won

it'll take until next Tuesday night to sink in, but it's over. Obama won by a landslide. It ended with the Kennedy endorsement and with Carter's kind words. Obama doesn't need Edwards.

[lapfog_1]

15. Please stop.

You are being as arrogant as what all the Hillary supporters are saying about Obama supporters.

It's not over, not by a long ways. Obama still needs help. Obama needs TIME or surrogates!

He can't get more time, he could get more surrogates!

And 10 to 15 percent of the Democratic voters is nothing to disdain. Even if just over half go for Obama versus less than half for Hillary (9% versus 6%) that's a SIX POINT SWING for Obama.

That's HUGE at this point.

In fact... I beginning to think you aren't an Obama supporter at all. But someone looking to do mischief. Obama won by a landslide? Only in SC. Not anywhere else, even in the contested states. He had a decent win in Iowa, but it wasn't a landslide.

[cgrindley]

18. No, I meant he won by a landslide on Tuesday, February 5

it's carved in stone.

[Hippo_Tron]

16. As much as I REALLY hope you're right I'm not counting on anything

Hillary Clinton has some of the best minds in the Democratic Party behind her and she has nearly universal name recognition. Florida was a great indicator of her advantage from the start since there was no campaigning there.

Obama is an excellent campaigner and Ted Kennedy's endorsement may indeed put him over the top. But I'm not taking anything for granted. This thing could go either way. It also may even go beyond Super Tuesday.

[AndyA]

29. And I've got news for you: Obama is going to be taken down by the same entities that took down

Edwards. They will make short work of Barack.

The Rezko deal will grow legs, and will become a big deal. Barack will go down.

[JanusAscending]

73. Shame on you!!!

I can't believe you are really an Obama supporter, and from Ct. yet???? It seems like you're TRYING to loose it for our guy!! With supporters like you, the total opposite of what Obama stands for, he could very well lose this primary, aspecially here in the North East!! Watch what you say, 'cause Karma's a Bitch!!!! We need every vote we can get!!!

[saracat]

23. Saracat lives in the real world and you sir are a disgusting piece of garbage and a disgrace to you...

candidate. Many of my friends and family are in tears tonight.And I consider John Edwards a friend and I am sick of your abusing my friend. He does not deserve it. He has done more for this nation than you will ever even consider doing spewing your filth from behind a keyboard anonymously. I only hope you get exactly what you deserve for your malicious rotten comments on this thread.

[TexasObserver]

50. He made an unprovoked personal attack on you

I joined DU yesterday because after a year of reading GD and GDP, I could no longer manage to get through them without having Ignore or Hide Thread. You'd be surprised how quickly the place cleans up when you use those two functions LIBERALLY!!!

You should not have to put up with his nasty attacks, so why do it? Join me in consigning him to the IGNORE bin.

[bobbolink]

56. People like that don't just deserve "IGNORE".... they should have been bannished long ago,

if there was integrity and a true desire for peace on DU.

Simple as that.

[TexasObserver]

59. I try to focus on what I can do, but agree with your sentiment

Bobbolink, I try to be very matter of fact about this.

The site is owned by someone, and that someone has to weigh many issues simultaneously. As one thread shows, ad revenues are down. Traffic helps to keep revenues up. Therefore, even annoying traffic can have a silver lining. The owner is likely to want to allow great freedom of expression in a time of intense anguish for many harsh partisans.

It is up to me as a poster to use the two tools the owner gave me to shun the posters or threads I find objectionable. I cannot stop them from saying things I might consider over the line, but I can stop them from appearing on my computer screen. That's enough for me. By my estimation, they'd have to ban hundreds of posters to stop the rudeness that has become typical for a number of posters.

The hostile conduct we see in some is unnecessary, and worse, self-defeating. No one is convincing anyone to change their mind over the insults slung here. Only a fool would think his or her candidate can gain supporters by being a complete ass to everyone who disagrees.

I'm just glad for the features. If it weren't for those, I'd still be lurking. I could no longer read GDP because of the constant nastiness of certain posters. Now I can. In this instance, someone picking on a battered and bruised Edwards fan struck me as over the line, and I spoke in support of her for that reason.

[bobbolink]

60. It's always the money. Always the DLC.

Doesn't make me like it.

[cgrindley]

63. Nasty attack? People who state they won't support either candidate...

this is the Democratic Underground. If you state that neither candidate has your support...

[AndyA]

27. That's not true. Not true at all.

I know several people who supported Edwards, and they are now looking toward the GOP again. They have flat out said they will not support Clinton or Obama.

Edwards changed the dialogue in this campaign, so he's far from irrelevant, and he still has thousands of supporters, so your statement about people not liking him is wrong, wrong, wrong.

[Bluebear]

36. Fair enough, no one in the virtual world likes you.

[bullwinkle428]

58. ...

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[citizen snips]

68. LOL

:rofl: :rofl:

[asdjrocky]

40. You're an ass.

According to polls, 10% to 20% across the country supported Edwards. Not only do you have a bad attitued, but you're stupid to boot. Tell me one candidae that would not want his endorsement?

What a silly little bitter fool you are. And by the way, I believed you called SaraCat out, and I believe that's agains the rules here.

Oh yeah, one more thing, go fuck yourself.

[cgrindley]

43. Wow. Such rudeness (nt)

[Plucketeer]

48. You're certainly qualified

to identify such.

[asdjrocky]

61. Funny, it's always some rude asswipe like you that-

calls "rudeness" when someone calls them on their bullshit.

Have a nice day asshat.

[cgrindley]

67. It's great how one set of rules applies to Edwards' supporters and another rule for everyone else

I don't swear at posters here. I don't think it's necessary. And nothing I've posted about Edwards is untrue. His supporters just don't like to hear it. And they're not helping anyone by claiming that they won't support either remaining candidate. If there's anything that's worthy of invective, it's claiming that a person won't support either of the two remaining candidates. That's a vote for the repukes.

Get this straight. If you don't vote for either Hillary or Obama, then you are voting FOR another Republican.

[Darth_Kitten]

72. Gee, what does it say about your candidate of choice.....

if some people wouldn't mind have a "repuke" in office? If that is their wish then so be it.....

[waiting for hope]

42. Irrelevant?

Irrelevant? Let me tell you what irrelevant does not mean - John Edwards has lead the way the entire campaign cycle on the issues (and no, I do not have a link ready but if you are patient and just because, I'll provide those if you ask nicely) and Obama and Clinton have been picking up his crumbs and loudly proclaiming them as theirs. Even the republicans are latching on to his message. John Edwards is more relevant to you, me and everyone else and it's a shame you are too stupid to notice.

[cgrindley]

44. Whatever. He lost and dropped out of the race (nt)

[Little Star]

57. Nice!!! Kick people when they are down! LOSER!!!

[surfermaw]

52. I think he will let his suupporters make yp their own minds

He may in a speech try to lead us the right way, I think he already knows his supporters have a second choice. I am going with the tried and true, now don't come back telling me what mistakes Bill Clinton made , he did a quiet a few things he wasn't himself in favor of, however remember he had to deal with a REpublican House and Senate...

[lapfog_1]

13. That's not accurate or helpful

John was pulling in somewhere between 10 to 15 percent of the Democratic vote. That's significant as hell in a tight race between the two front runners. True, John's endorsement doesn't automatically swing his supporters one way or another, but it will likely make all of his supporters listen to his reasoning on why he supports either Hillary or Obama. And then they can make up their own minds.

And, should he choose not to endorse either, he may yet have an important role at the convention. It will depend on how tight things are. I expect them to be very close, with neither candidate having enough to push them over the top on a first ballot. John can ask for the world at that point. VP, AG, SecState, or whatever he wants.

Even though he's done it already, I think another try at VP... if he wants to run again in 2016.
He would only be 63 years old... and he is a very young looking 55 right now.

McCain looks to be the nominee of the repukes, and come convention time, he will be 72 years old.

A 63 year old running for President in 2016 would be a breeze.

[cgrindley]

14. It's not going to be close after Tuesday

Obama landslide.

[foxer]

38. Evidence???????????????????

[cgrindley]

45. Groundswell, Carter, Kennedy and MSM latching on (nt)

[foxer]

55. M$M can turn on a dime, like a ferrari.

[Syrinx]

4. I'd like to see him as Attorney General

Or maybe some sort of special prosecutor charged to prosecute the members of the Bush administration for their crimes against humanity and against the Constitution of the United States.

I can hope.

:shrug:

[SeattleGirl]

9. Well, if he can't be President, I like the idea of him as AG.

I really want to see him be part of a Dem administration.

[cgrindley]

12. Why in God's name should a personal injury lawyer be AG?

that's possibly the worst idea I've ever heard. Edwards' career is disgusting and he got rich off the misery of others.

[foxer]

39. He defended the "little guys" at his expense

[cgrindley]

47. $400 haircut, largest house in state

his so-called support of the little guy has always rung hollow.

[Two Americas]

54. live by the sword

"Live by the sword, die by the sword."

Your candidate will soon suffer the same fate in the same way that ours did at the hands of the same people. We will be on your side then, we won't be kicking and attacking you.

[InvisibleTouch]

62. Get your facts straight.

He defended others from misery that was caused to them by soulless corporations.

You don't like the guy, fine. You're perfectly entitled to that. But here you're making up outright lies and smears. What is your problem?

[cgrindley]

64. So... he didn't get rich through personal injury law?

so how did he make his money then?

[cbayer]

20. this will never happen

the legislative branch, which is full of lawyers, know what plaintiff's attorneys are about and i do not think would EVER ok him for that post.

[cbayer]

17. Maybe this late at night it is safe to express my opinion

John Edwards was problematic in so many ways. His charisma and late to the party stance drew some very devoted followers, but look at the who he really is.

He made his fortunes suing doctors. Although he may have had some legitimate cases, most of his cases were very dubious and hurt some very good people. And in doing this, he has contributed to the health care crisis in this country.

He sat in the Senate for a single term and really did very little of substance. His voting record is abysmal.

He then went on to work for an investment firm which made its money on the junk mortgages which are now damaging our economy.

He has done nothing of substance except run for office since he left the senate.

His wife is dieing and he has small children, but is messianic enough to think that running for president is ok under these circumstances.

To his credit, he did make the other candidates take positions on some hard issues that they might have otherwise ignored.

But honestly, I am glad he has quit. And I do not believe that there is a MSM conspiracy that forced him out. He just isn't what he portrays himself to be.

And I hope all those rabid, blind devotees have gone to bed.

Whew, i just needed to get that off my chest.

[Tennessee Gal]

26. Glad you got all those inaccuracies and misrepresentations

of the truth off your chest.



:eyes:

[redqueen]

37. You left off the haircut.

Good luck.

[Apollo11]

19. Edwards won't express a preference during the primaries.

Watch his pull-out speech in New Orleans.
Edwards makes it clear that he will support whoever is the nominee.
www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x89022

Also read what Edwards has been saying to his supporters:
There is no chance of an endorsement before Super Tuesday, or even after.
www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4296341&mesg_id=4296341

[Clark2008]

30. Ewww....

I think his making a deal would cement how sleazy I've thought he was since 2002.

[IndianaJones]

46. I'd offer him VP, or AG with first shot at an open SC position. nt.

[TexasObserver]

49. I'd like to see him on the Supreme Court

The VP slot could be some value, but mainly it's the tie breaker in the senate.

AG serves at the pleasure of the president, and must be in lockstep with the president.

But Supreme Court Justice endures, and transcends terms. John is exactly the kind of person I want to see on that court. He would be a giant on the court.

John has much to offer either winning candidate.

[mentalsolstice]

71. I want him for AG for a couple of years...

and then, hopefully, a nominee for SCOTUS. He would be perfect for that role, he just needs the stepping-stone to it.