For any who will not be voting in the general election for the democratic nominee:

[CAG]

I've got a few thoughts for you:

How many more soldiers will die in Iraq in a McCain or Romney Presidency versus a Clinton or Obama Presidency?

What are the chances of a preemptive strike against Iran in a McCain or Romney Presidency versus a Clinton or Obama Presidency?

What kind of judges will supplant our septa and octagenarian liberal to moderate Supreme Court Justices in a McCain or Romney Presidency versus a Clinton or Obama Presidency?

How many american citizen telephone calls and emails will be intercepted in a McCain or Romney Presidency versus a Clinton or Obama Presidency?

Drug company, Oil company, & banks will continue to get 15-20% profit margins in what administration: a McCain or Romney Presidency or a Clinton or Obama Presidency?

Our standing in the world as a respected democracy is more likely to rise up again in a McCain or Romney Presidency or a Clinton or Obama Presidency?

More of our jobs will be further outsourced in a McCain or Romney Presidency or a Clinton or Obama Presidency?

Which administration will fight to protect pensions, benefits, wages of the worker; a McCain or Romney Presidency or a Clinton or Obama Presidency?

Which administration will be more likely to fight against and veto any real reform in election financing: a McCain or Romney Presidency or a Clinton or Obama Presidency?

Which administration is less likely to further mortgage my childrens futures to China: a McCain or Romney Presidency or a Clinton or Obama Presidency?

For those democrats that vote for a Nader, or stay home in November, or somehow rationalize a McCain/Romney vote, if the repubs grab the white house again, here's a preemptive "congratulations" to potentially extending the * legacy another 4-8 years. Just keep saying there's no significant difference between either Clinton or Obama vs McCain or Romney, maybe you'll actually believe it at some point...

[nankerphelge]

1. Exactly...

People need to calm down. Any one of the Democrats that was running or is still running was light years better than Romney or McCain.

[CAG]

2. Every effort that hurts the dem nominee allows the repubs to inch one

step closer to grabbing the white house for 12-16 straight years. People who viciously attack the democrat who is not their choice should at some point start taking some of the responsibility for what will be nothing different than the W-three and W-four administrations.

[RiverStone]

15. Yes --- and don't forget another generation of a rightie SCOTUS...

I'll work like hell for Obama - Hillary would only get my vote. But I'm voting Dem regardless.

[provis99]

3. Not very good examples; frankly Clinton, Romney and McCain

sound pretty much the same on each of these, except for the one on Supreme Court justices, about which none has said anything (other than the vague "activist judges" label that is thrown around). Personally, I think Romney is more likely to appoint a moderate judge than McCain or Clinton.

On the other positions, I really see no difference. Got any more? Give me some hope, I really want a reason to choose Clinton over the other two, but she hasn't given me any reason to think she's any different.

[The_Casual_Observer]

4. Check the Senate voting record sometime instead of the cartoon

section of the paper, that is if you are able to read.

[provis99]

5. thank you for insulting me when I asked for information.

Now eat the peanuts out of my shit. You are on ignore.

[HughMoran]

6. And so are you

ignoramus

[CAG]

7. If you see no difference between the numbers of our soldiers that will

sacrifice their lives, somehow see Clinton putting in an Alito on the supreme court, somehow don't see how she might fight against outrageous profit margins of corporations such as drug companies (Geez, were you around in 94?), somehow see larger deficits in a Clinton administration than a repub administration (for reference, see the dem vs repub admins for the last, oh, maybe, thirty years?), I could go on...

Please, it just doesn't seem so genuine if you just say "i don't see any differences" without firm statements. It would be so cool if you put it down in words, I'd like to see it, something to the tune of:
"Just as many US soldiers will die if Clinton is the president versus McCain or Romney...
Just as many Alitos will be put on the supreme court if Clinton is the president versus McCain or Romney...
Just as much debt will be piled up if.....
Just as much corporate raping and pillaging of american workers will occur if...
Drug companies will continue to make the same profit margins if..."

If you really think about these specific points, and still can dismiss it all with a general statement "there's no difference", then I suggest you may be in a little bit of denial.

[Maven]

18. Beyond factually incorrect.

Delusional.

[Jed Dilligan]

8. When half the country is under water six years from now,

most of these issues won't matter a great deal.

I'll hold my nose and vote for Hillary in the GE, no question about it. But we will need a leader who can inspire people on the rough, rough road ahead. If there isn't one already in place, we will find one.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

9. The votes of the left are available...if they want them.

But, they have to earn them. Not just mouth platitudes about being "not as bad".

[Andy823]

10. I agree

They don't get my vote unless they earn it. Lay it out in black and white how they will "change" this country.

I want straight talk, nothing less.

[CAG]

12. "Lay it out in black and white how they will "change" this country"; I think my OP

pretty much did just that. Demonstrate to me how each of those things won't be different no matter who makes it thru to victory in this election.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

19. No, you don't get it

All the things you're pointing out are hypothetical.

I'm not interested in damage that might occur. I want to see the damage due to eight years of Bush undone. Recall that much of Bush's damage to this country was done with the complicity of the so-called "mainstream" Democrats.

I'll be impressed when they start making some bold moves.

That means get out of Iraq as soon as physically possible (no residual troops or permanent bases), repeal the Patriot Act, FISA, and the tax cuts for the rich, fire Haliburton, Blackwater, and ship Bush, Cheney, Rice, and their whole evil crew over to the Hague for war crimes trials.

I'm not holding my breath for any of these, no matter who gets into the White House. The corporate contributors would never stand for it.

[CAG]

24. And you have some magic potion to say what will happen in the future that

wouldn't also be classified as hypothetical?

Actually, I'll do you one better. My opinion is based on precedence.
Tell me which out of each set of three consecutive administrations did the most good for this country:

Hoover - FDR/Truman - Eisenhower
Eisenhower - Kennedy/LBJ - Nixon
Ford - Carter - Reagan
Bush 1 - Clinton - Bush 2

None of those democratic presidents succeeded in making your all or nothing utopia, but they certainly beat the hell out of the alternatives of Dewey beating Truman, Nixon beating Kennedy, Goldwater beating LBJ, Ford beating Carter, Bush 1 beating Clinton, & Dole beating Clinton.

[CAG]

11. I'll remember that when President Romney and his attorney general

Alberto Gonzalez listens to my email, and his "the Alito 6" overturn some things I'm not ready for them to overturn, and his Sec of Defense Paul Wolfowitz commences WWIII with Iran and while my kids get drafted into service, and how my 401K becomes more beholden to China, and the glaciers start eating away the atlantic shore.

I'll remember that I was just talkin' silly platitudes back in 2007 and not accepting that I should just go out in November and write in a Kucinich vote along with 3,000 others so I can suffer righteous indignation on DU as we suffer thru 8 more repub years.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

13. Remember also that Hillary or Obama shunned the left to go after the "moderates".

If either should lose by that margin and all your predictions come true.

I'll remember these words from another Democrat.

"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever, in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else, where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all." --Thomas Jefferson to Francis Hopkinson, 1789.

"Were parties here divided merely by a greediness for office,...to take a part with either would be unworthy of a reasonable or moral man." --Thomas Jefferson to William Branch Giles, 1795.

[Desertrose]

17. Don't blame me for the shitty choices the corporate parties

have handed down.

I would love love love to vote for someone who hasn't sold out to the big interests.

In fact, I actually supported a candidate who offered to end the war, give single payer healthCARE, eliminate NAFTA and so on, but so many on here handed me bullshit excuses about how he wasn't electable, was too short, too this or not enough f*cking that, and ya know what people? This is what we now have...a lousy choice between two polarizing candidates that are already owned by big money.

Well whoop de f*cking doo my friend.

Righteous indignation ain't what I'm feeling. I am pissed off. I have no health insurance and no 401k to worry about. But what I'll get is more of what we got...maybe not quite as obvious as under the bush years, but I am not expecting a whole lot of *change* and I don't see a whole lot of *hope* with the *choices* we're being given.

Don't blame me if the repubs win it. Blame everyone who sold out to more of the same- corporate candidates chosen by corporate MSM brought to you by our friendly big money interests.

The sooner more people wake up to the game the better for the rest of us who woke up & saw this coming years ago.

There were a lot of us who tried to speak up....but were silenced along the way while everyone was fighting over their candidate and they missed the whole forest.

[CAG]

21. No amount of corporate money or MSM attention would have gotten

Kucinich or Edwards elected. Its not my fault.
Edwards couldn't even win the south carolina democratic primary. Thats not my fault either, and I dare say that if he couldn't even win his own state, that's not corporate or MSM fault either. Thats just pretty pathetic.

[redqueen]

23. I normally agree with you... but I watched what happened in France.

I will not follow in their footsteps... we don't get do-overs here.

[ShadowLiberal]

14. One correction in your list to election finacing

"Which administration will be more likely to fight against and veto any real reform in election financing: a McCain or Romney Presidency or a Clinton or Obama Presidency?"

Remember the McCain Feingold campaign finance bill that conservatives hate McCain for?

Plus the REAL problem to getting campaign finance reform is the Supreme Court, they've effectively shredded any part of a bill that puts limits on third parties spending in political elections like Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, while keeping any limits places on a candidate's own campaign (making them less able to defend themselves from swift boating, and have to start campaigning much earlier in order to raise the necessary money to become president).

[LiberalHeart]

16. So it works for you to have the party continue to serve us candidates like these?

Swell. Have another glass of KoolAid.

OR rebel. Make them get serious about the progressive agenda.

Everything you posted explains exactly why it's time to stop letting the party take our votes for granted. We need real choices, not just Republican lite.

[CAG]

20. I'm only sorry that I accept that I live in the REAL WORLD, not some utopia

that others feel everyone must accept immediately or else they get labelled as drinking the koolaid. Perhaps those who refuse to compromise an inch are also drinking some koolaid.

[redqueen]

22. Here's my thoughts for those doing such a stupid thing:

FUCK YOU!