**BREAKING** Gray Davis, Former Calif Governor endorses Hillary!

[FrenchieCat]

How inspiring! :sarcasm:

[MonkeyFunk]

1. Beware any Dem that supports Clinton!

God you people are fucking sick.

A few years ago, he was a cause celebre here. Now you piss on him because you disagree with his endorsement.

Fuck that. I'll take Gray back any day over the simian currently in Sacramento.

[KitchenWitch]

53. Don't you mean sub-simian?

[Blue_State_Elitist]

86. Yay for Gray.

I always liked him.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

106. Maybe The OP Liked Arnold's Buff Bod

Or at least the buff bod he had in 1977...

[yurbud]

112. I'd take Gray over Arnold, but he was never a cause to celebre.

[rinsd]

2. Its Gray.

Nice to know that people are so respectful of endorsements.

:eyes:

[KennedyGuy]

3. I'll bet he shook Hillarys hand though

[loveangelc]

11. OMGLOL GOOD 1

[BeyondGeography]

4. Is that the "biggie"?

[FrenchieCat]

7. well it ain't Barbara Boxer!

[BeyondGeography]

29. And thank God for that!

[mac2]

If you vote for Obama it's OK but not...you divide?

Can't we vote on the issues?

[rinsd]

15. Maxine Waters endorsed her earlier.

[FrenchieCat]

27. I'll raise you a Barbara Lee who endorsed Obama!

Next!

[Texas_Kat]

40. Shelia Jackson Lee (d-TX) endorsed HC

Here a Lee, there a Lee.....

Reminiscing on "1776"

[mac2]

42. I thought Maxine was a Progressive

Hillary is not.

[Capn Sunshine]

133. So did DiFi

almost before she announced.

People don't understand the California Democratic Party is heavily, heavily status quo. It's almost a joke. I mean that in light of how "liberal" everyone thinks CA is. I speak as a member of the Ca Democratic Party Central Committee, AD delegate and member of the Progressive caucus. Half the folks in the caucus are Hillary supporters. She's got a BIG presence here. Not to mention a majority of her campaign funds.

[Occam Bandage]

5. What's the point of this?

Weren't you cheering for Davis to beat Arnold during the recall?

[FrenchieCat]

19. No......but Gray was so passive, I don't think many shed a tear........

[Occam Bandage]

38. He's not the most inspiring or the most popular figure in politics. But why bother bashing him?

It irritated you when the bastards bashed Kerry and Lamont for being "losers," didn't it? Gray Davis isn't a bad guy; he got destroyed by the Republican machine and by Enron's destructive manipulations of the CA energy market.

[Catherine Vincent]

6. You rather Arnold?

What's wrong with Davis?

[MonkeyFunk]

20. Nothing

Awarded a Bronze Star in Vietnam, served as Lieutenant Governor, twice elected to the governorship.

But he endorsed Clinton, so assholes feel free to shit on him. It's sick.

[Yael]

51. Enron screwed the state of CA over and Davis was the fall guy

[Cant trust em]

80. whoever is in charge at the time gets blamed

Deregulation was started by Republican Pete Wilson and by the time those ill effects kicked in Gray Davis was in office and was left holding the bag. He was a dedicated public servant who was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[Yael]

83. Exactly

Sorry if I wasn't clear. I think he unfairly was the fall guy.

[Cant trust em]

89. I knew where you were going.

This whole recall business is ridiculous. Elections are too costly to have to do them every time the voters feel like a change of pace.

[Hieronymus]

119. Yes .. Darrell Issa financed the overthrow of Davis.

[grantcart]

96. nothing is wrong with him he just was in a position above his abilities

he absolutely botched the electrical melt down and ended up with zero credibility.

He has been completely silent since the recall. If he was bundled in with some other endorsees it would add something but given that he has been completely out of the scene to pop back looks a little odd in California.

There is no real negative. Few endorsements really mean anything. Ted and Caroline had impact. If Hillary can get Gore it will even out.

[featherman]

8. The Democratic establishment in CA is heavily invested in Clinton

From Art Torres (CA DEM Chair) on down. I know this as a party official myself in the state. The Edwards and Obama supporters in the ranks are unhappy that the leadership is so locked into the Clinton campaign.

This is no surprise.

[DJ13]

22. "The Democratic establishment in CA is heavily invested in Clinton"

Dont you mean "infested?

[Cant trust em]

81. He signed the domestic partnership law

I watched him sign it at the LGBT center in San Francisco. Great night for us.

[book_worm]

9. Aw' Cm'on Gray got a bum deal when CA voters turned on him and put the terminator in

[Whisp]

49. yes, he got shafted.

just resaw a doc on Enron last night and omg what a travesty of injustices those pirates pulled. and Davis gets the blame.

how shameful.
complicity staring right in the face with Arnie's election and his ties to those fuckers, but what the hey. ain't that important.
let's talk about the travesties of nonhandshakes.
:sarcasm:

[onehandle]

50. Very True. Rove took him down to hide the crimes of Bush's pals in California. nt

[SammyWinstonJack]

64. And Ahnold was in on it.

[Helga Scow Stern]

10. You are not doing your candidate a favor

by being so dismissive of another Dem. You are just playing right into the hands of the thugs.

Stop it!

[Tarc]

12. Wait, what?

Conservative right-wingers so full of bitter, sour grapes were able to take advantage of an antiquated quirk in California election law to oust a sitting governor, because they knew they had no chance in hell in the general election. And that's Davis' fault?

Team Obama is on a roll today...

[LostinVA]

21. It's Down the Rabbit Hole Day

[Tatiana]

13. Actually, this endorsement carries a lot of weight (I think) with California Dems.

A lot of them are still upset over the mess that led to the Governator being installed in office. There was a lot of sympathy and thoughts of "well, he wasn't really that bad, now that I think about it."

[ZinZen]

93. Actually the Governator is not as disliked

as some would think. He is governing as a moderate Repub and many Dems do not find him offensive. I should know I live in CA.

[bluestateguy]

14. That only mean one thing

That the thug California prison guard union will follow suit.

[Freddie Stubbs]

37. What is thuggish about unions?

:shrug:

[LeftyMom]

55. Not unions generally, just the CCPOA.

They're the country's largest prison gang.

[Freddie Stubbs]

65. What is thuggish about this particular union?

:shrug:

[LeftyMom]

101. The use violence or the threat of against whistleblowers

and have an undue degree of influence on CA state politics.

[Webster Green]

The union in question is full of thugs..

They run a lucrative slave labor operation, and they torture people regularly.

[alcibiades_mystery]

I don't get why people feel the need to down endorsements

Don't we like all these endorsers?

It's childish.

[DJ13]

16. With his track record that should pull in an additional .002% of the votes

Wow, nice catch Hillary.

:rofl:

[AlCzervik]

17. Feel better now?

[sallyseven]

18. Just remember that he was recalled

because of the energy problems in Calif. brought to them by ENRON Look at the history before you jump on the republican highway. The repuks helped that along.

[goodgd_yall]

109. Good reminder. n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

23. Why the sarcasm tag? Remember, the REPUKES , led by Darrell Issa, ran Davis out of office.

Maybe Ahhhhnold will endorse Obama. Would that make you happy?

This is a good endorsement. You would have been thrilled had he endorsed Barack. Enough with the mudslinging crap.

[FrenchieCat]

34. To be honest, I have forgotten more about Gray Davis than I ever cared to know.....

No, I didn't consider him a very effective Governor. Here in a Blue state, with a Democratic Legislature, he really didn't do much at all.

[Big Blue Marble]

24. Oh that will help big time. LOL

Loser Davis. The guy that was voted out midterm.

[AlCzervik]

26. and you know what exactly about the recall?

[Big Blue Marble]

36. I know that Davis was weak.

He couldn't stop Arnold from stealing the governorship right out from under him.

It was an embarrassment for Dems everywhere.

[AlCzervik]

43. so in other words, nothing.

[LostinVA]

72. Bingo

I remember feeling it was like watching a coup unfold. Then, when the Enron connection all came out -- my God.

[in_cog_ni_to]

32. How childish. A REPUKE started the recall movement so they could run Ahhhnold who would do their

bidding.

[Big Blue Marble]

39. And why did Davis not stop them?

He had control of the state at the time.

[LostinVA]

WTF -- you really DON'T know anything about the recall

[MonkeyFunk]

74. Not a thing

[Big Blue Marble]

98. I know that Davis lost to Arnold.

And that it should have never happened. Not the recall election or the loss.

[LostinVA]

104. Then you don't know anything about the whole thing

[Sapphocrat]

120. Is this a joke? If not, your deliberate ignorance is stunning. n/t

[rodeodance]

45. was that Icca (? sp)_-I think so but now sure.

[rinsd]

82. Issa. Darrel Issa

[MonkeyFunk]

25. Frenchie...

I had no beef with you for years. But even after this election is over, I will never forget or forgive you.

[FrenchieCat]

30. I'll stand in the corner now......

[MonkeyFunk]

33. I don't expect you to give a shit one way or the other...

I'm just telling you that your behavior is alienating a lot of people who previously had no problem with you.

[Joe the Revelator]

47. Why do Clinton supporters do this?

Anytime an Obama supporter makes a statement against "their girl" they immediately say that poster will never be as popular as they once were.

Look around man. Every candidates supporters are playing this game. Take Democratsincebirth for instance. I use to really respect him as a poster, but he turned into a complete shill. Guess what though, once this is all over, and we get behind a candidate, I'll go back to enjoying his posts.

[MonkeyFunk]

58. this isn't a statement against "my girl"

it's a slam of a good Democrat for no other reason than that he endorsed somebody besides Obama. That's childish and self-defeating.

And when this is over, I'll forget most everybody who disagreed with me, but a few people will stand out forever in my memory for their incredibly dickish behavior.

[Occam Bandage]

54. MF, this tactic is really starting to wear thin.

Guess what, buddy? It's primary season. Everyone is posting shit. Everyone has their own motivations, and everyone is getting emotional. Everyone is invested in their candidate; everyone is pissed off when people bash their candidate. And everyone is surprised when people they formerly thought were "good guys" turn against "their guy."

Yeah, you'll occasionally chirp up to defend Obama from bullshit, and I will with Clinton. But this "I don't love you any more" business is stupid. "I'll never forget or forgive you?" Jesus Christ, man, we're talking about cracking fun at Gray Davis on a webboard, not sleeping with your wife when you're in the hospital. It's not even about an obsessive love of decorum; you only complain about Obama supporters cracking on Clinton, but never cry betrayal on the equally-inappropriate actions of those sharing your avatar.

This OP is bullshit. But if you're really that upset about a bullshit post on DU, then I really think you ought to back off political discussion a bit. It's not that important.

[MonkeyFunk]

59. Some people fight honorably

some are just unadulterated dicks.

And you're full of shit - I've said similar things to many people who slam Obama obsessively.

[Occam Bandage]

60. Well, perhaps I've just missed your declarations of betrayal directed

at Clinton supporters.

[MonkeyFunk]

62. check out some Proud2bAmurcan's threads

or whatever his name is.

[Occam Bandage]

66. Ah, yeah,

I suppose I don't even consider him a Clinton supporter.

[MonkeyFunk]

73. and there have been plenty of others

I think unfair, hateful attacks are wrong, and I point that out when I feel like it. If that bothers YOU, I can only suggest you take your own advice.

[Occam Bandage]

77. There's nothing wrong with thinking "unfair, hateful attacks are wrong."

What I'm referring to is "I will never forgive or forget you." That's almost creepy.

[MonkeyFunk]

79. It's not that I have a personal moral objection

it's that, as I said, it HURTS us. Badly. Destroying our own Dems, whether they be candidates or endorsers, just really hurts our party. It's what Freepers do to us, and I hate those fuckers, and I will never forgive or forget the right-wingers for what they've done. And if somebody puts a (d) next to his name and does the same exact thing, I'm gonna remember it.

[FrenchieCat]

63. People are rubbing me the wrong way as well.......

and I guess I could denounce them......But for me, it's just not that personal.....unless these are posters that I have met in real life or that I have a real relationship with (and there are a few of those that I have personally disappointed me...but oh well!)

I note that there are many on this board who's behavior and tactics I find appaling as well....folks that I thought once were intellectually honest. :shrug:

So if you personally have a problem with me, I can't fight that....cause at the end of the day, I'm not here to please folks feel good about me.

[MonkeyFunk]

68. My point is that I find this stuff

VERY self-defeating and self-destructive. It only HURTS us as we go forward, and I really want to win in November.

And people who behave like this, purposely and mindlessly tearing down Democrats and taking glee in it is just doing the right-wing's job for them. It just astounds me that so many people can't see that.

I liked Gray Davis - I worked against his recall and was really pissed when Arnold won. THAT experience means a lot more to me than any endorsement in a primary campaign. We're letting piddling shit like this override everything many of us have worked for for years.

[Bake]

92. Preach it, brother! Amen!

Honest to God, I've never been more repulsed by a group of people whose conduct is uniformly idiotic than the Obamanation. Lockstep, willfully blind, spiteful, honestly you'd think they were Repugs.

I'd use the term Kool-Aid Drinkers but that would sound a bit too much like a certain former member who got tombstoned.

Bake

[MonkeyFunk]

108. names like Obamanation

doesn't help, either.

[Bake]

113. I know, you're right.

But yesterday I begged some of them to stop saying HillBilly and Billary, to no avail. Sigh. I'm going back to the Lounge now.

Bake

[Buzz cook]

28. Makes sense to me.

Davis got royally screwed by the media and he's endorsing the candidate that's getting the same treatment.

It would have been nice if you'd linked to Gray's statement of support so we don't have to play guessing games.

[rodeodance]

31. Good.

[cboy4]

35. Frenchie, even your Obama "teammates" are turning

on you!

How do you feel!?

<---------This is me interviewing you for your reaction.



on edit....typo (ooops)

[Freddie Stubbs]

41. Maxine Waters' endorsement is more important

She is a delegate, Davis in not.

[jaysunb]

57. From the delegate perspective, yes

but that won't stop her constituents from overwhelmingly vote for Obama....even the Latinos.

[tishaLA]

44. i actually liked gov davis

and i'm still ashamed that our state rebuked him in the way it did.

[yurbud]

46. a bland technocrat who was rolled by big business and the GOP--great

[onehandle]

48. **BREAKING** You are the queen of sour grapes.

I will support the nominee, but people like you sure make it hard to want to vote for Obama.

Luckily, despite your venom, I like Obama.

CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW!

all caps/off

[cali]

52. Oh, c'mon.

you're behaving like a 6 year old. You're going to lose all credibility if you keep it up.

[KitchenWitch]

56. Now, Hillary is not my choice, but jeez, can you stop "grave dancing"

since we are still a ways from nominating a candidate?

[bdamomma]

61. are these endorsements mandatory or something.

does everyone have to endorse someone at this early stage, in the past wouldn't they just endorse the nominee.

[meow mix]

67. the clintons have been known to strike-out in cali..

and the davis fiasco is one of several good examples

[MonkeyFunk]

76. How did the Clintons strike out

in the Davis recall?

[Sapphocrat]

121. If you ever get an answer to that question, let me know. n/t

[calico1]

69. Congratulations!

It's people like you that may just make me change my mind about voting for Obama if he is the nominee.

[Cleita]

70. A personal ancedote about Grey Davis that I have never

mentioned on DU. My husband fell ill when we were visiting family in California. Because his condition was chronic, we stayed longer than we intended. As we always had the intention of returning to our home state, then Idaho, we didn't change our car registration then. It was after a couple of years and much soul searching that the family decided we would be better off staying here in California.

Well when we went to the DMV we were socked with a five thousand dollar registration fee including fines for not registering the car before. My husband and I were living on SS and a small pension, certainly not enough to cover this. No amount of appeals to the DMV made a difference in their cold hearts. I finally wrote a letter to Gov. Davis just explaining what happened and a little bitter sentence at the end about I hope California doesn't welcome all retirees with end stage diseases this way.

You know he got the fines removed because of the circumstances. It had not been our intent to break the law or get away with anything. He realized it was circumstances beyond our control. I don't think Arnold would have done the same. Grey was wrestling with the same budget problems Arnold is still facing today but evidently he knew that balancing the state budget shouldn't be done on the backs of those least able to pay them.

Although Davis isn't as left in his politics as I am, I have always had a soft spot in my heart for his compassion. I'm sure we aren't the only citizens he has helped out quietly in the past either.

[MonkeyFunk]

78. wow

thanks for sharing that.

[DemExpat]

84. Thanks, Cleita! This is a fine man and a good endorsement.

For any Dem candidate.

DemEx

[golddigger]

85. Wow, thanks for sharing that...

Gray Davis was a good man who got railroaded by the RoveGop slime machine.

[Hoof Hearted]

91. Thanks for sharing that rouching story n/t.

[in_cog_ni_to]

94. What a great story. It all comes down to compassion and empathy..

Repukes lack both in their genetic makeup. I know Arnold would never have done that.

Thanks for sharing.

[beachmom]

100. Thanks for that story, Cleita. I'm still mad at the fact that it was ENRON

that created the conditions for the Gray Davis recall.

[terrya]

71. Good for Hillary Clinton

[incapsulated]

75. Congrats to Hillary

It's only California, and who cares about that state, right?

[ecstatic]

87. That's not good. Who let him out the gate?

And was chandra levy ever found? :hide:

[Sapphocrat]

122. More stunning ignorance!

It was GARY CONDIT who was implicated (and completely cleared) in the disappearance/death of Chandra Levy, NOT Gray Davis!

For fuck's sake, if the out-of-staters who seem utterly compelled to to take pot-shots at California or our elected officials have to open your mouths, will you at least TRY to get the facts straight?

[Hoof Hearted]

88. Great job! Now maybe you can do a snarky hit on this guy - - - >

Do you swallow everything the right wing sprays on your face?

[AX10]

90. Another ugly Obambinista.

Gray Davis is a good man. He was tagged with the blame for the ENRON manufactured energy crisis.
I take it that you are pro-Enron and pro-Arnold as well as Pro-GOP. It seems that Obama is that way these days. :puke:

[calico1]

95. Hannity, O'Reilly and Limbaugh

would be so proud of you!

[zulchzulu]

97. What's he doing these days?

I remember Davis when I was in California during the Enron power play and brownouts, blackouts and other sordid episodes that led into the wonderful Dot Bomb days.

All the best to Clinton for this wonderful leader....

:rofl:

[AtomicKitten]

102. Davis begot Schwarzenegger

and that's no good

[zulchzulu]

110. I remember that "election"

What a farce that was... yeesh...

[Sapphocrat]

123. Where did you dream that up?

No, don't tell me -- you get your information about California from the same news source that says the Clintons caused the 2003 recall, Gray Davis was so weak he lost an election to Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Davis murdered Chandra Levy.

[NMMNG]

126. Consider the sources here

These are people who support someone whose entire platform is pretty platitudes plastered on an empty suit. Their defense of him is pure hot air. Are you at all surprised their attacks on others are devoid of facts?

[Sapphocrat]

128. Not surprised at the smears at all...

...but I am absolutely bowled over by the way people will toss around half-truths, quarter-truths, .00000001-truths, and baldfaced lies just for the sake of a smear. (Sheesh, if I'm going to make a nasty remark about another state, I at least make sure I've got the facts straight!)

But now that I've had such a rude awakening to the unfathomable depth of willful ignorance about the State Everyone Loves to Hate, I won't be so surprised the next time it happens (which -- checking watch -- should be in about 5... 4... 3...)

The only thing that will surprise me now is if I don't see someone accuse Hillary of murdering Vince Foster. In California. With Gray Davis at her side, digging the grave.

[NMMNG]

131. It's bad enough the lengths they'll go to in order to smear Hillary

That's to be expected. But to drag through the mud anybody who dares to support her--that's deplorable.

As to their inability to accurately quote facts, if they're unable to even work The Google before posting, too bad for them. Let them expose their ignorance and their laziness (on top of their hatred).

[NMMNG]

99. And if he'd endorsed Obama

You and your friends would be jumping around spraying your shorts in a little frenzy of excitement. So don't pretend he's nothing just because he endorsed Hillary.

[LostinVA]

105. Your imagery made me lol

[NMMNG]

116. It's the truth, no?

Every day there's half a dozen threads announcing how some local newspaper endorsed Obama, this or that author endorsed Obama, somebody's grandma endorsed Obama. Then everybody gathers around and oozes about how amazing it is. They probably have to change their underwear afterwards. Whenever Hillary gets an endorsement those same people do everything they can to tear down her supporters as garbage. If those people were here in person they'd probably get their eyes clawed out for having the audacity to not back St. Obama. It's insane.

[LostinVA]

118. Oh, I totally agree with you

Watching it is both fascinating and appalling at the same time.

When I read your post, I was imagining a bunch of people waving Obama signs jumping around like mad things and peeing their pants. I giggled.

[Lucinda]

103. Cool.

[goodgd_yall]

107. Yay! Gray Davis is a good man.

I don't know what the sarcasm bit is about, but I think it's fantastic.

[R_M]

111. Congrats on Chappaquidick Ted's endorsement.

There's a "man" of "charater". :sarcasm:
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[Occam Bandage]

115. Congratulations on your utter lack of taste.

[R_M]

117. But it's true.

Truth must hurt.

[Yanez Houston Jordan]

114. That makes sense. Gray was always good on gay rights and he'd never support a "McClurkin" candidate

[Sapphocrat]

125. Amen to that!

(I'd say welcome to DU, too, but at this point, I'm not sure if I'd be wishing you a blessing or a curse.)

[goodgd_yall]

130. Yes!

I saw him at the LGBT center in San Francisco making one of his last speeches---just before the recall election. He impressed me as an honest, principled, and sensitive man.

[jenmarie]

124. You're probably making this up

since you provide no link. I guess it's real funny.

But Hillary did receive a beautiful endorsement today from the Kennedy family. LATimes.

[goodgd_yall]

132. Hey, I didn't know about the endorsement from the other Kennedys

I'm going to make it a separate thread.

[jackson_dem]

127. Obamites: bash a major Democratic governor, post pieces from Andrew Sullivan and Peggy Noonan here

[usregimechange]

129. Ha!

[Renew Deal]

134. Great news for Hillary

This should get her the incompetent mismanagement vote.

[goldcanyonaz]

135. "JUST SAY "NO" TO THE POLITICS OF DIVISION." from OP sig line...

Another do as I say and not as I do thread.

[onehandle]

136. Yep. nt