Handshakegate: Obama Says McCaskill asked him a Question, and McCaskill backs this up. End of Story

[MadBadger]

Just saw this reported on MSNBC. Next topic.

[bunnies]

1. I saw it too.

Wait for "McCaskill is lying". :eyes:

[Connie_Corleone]

2. Another view of the same "incident"

Just more manufactured outrage from the anti-Obama brigade.

[livetohike]

4. Thank you Connie

:-)

[bunnies]

5. ...

:applause:

[Skwmom]

9. They are trying to make it another "crying" moment.

[MyNameGoesHere]

23. In this picture

she is clapping and seems to be leaning towards Obama as if he got her attention. So i still don't know.

But Spin Spin Spin i gotta Spin. Spin Spin Spin, I love to Spin. Anyway.

[sam sarrha]

40. it is clear as day he cant see her..... without any doubt

[MyNameGoesHere]

52. someone said that she

had asked BHO a question and he turned. But she is clapping. If it were me i would have leaned toward him and maybe lightly touched his shoulder or whispered close to his head. But she is clearly standing still clapping and seems to not be interested in him. But it is a still so who is to know?

[Texas_Kat]

61. So what's the excuse for this one?

[sam sarrha]

73. totally different time, Kennedy is in an entirely different place than the original 'Snub' photo

[papau]

25. wrong photo - it was before that photo as he turned, frowned, and looked for someone to talk to

As you can see he is speaking to no one - so another Obama lie - but this one backed up by a supporter and accepted by the media - surprise - surprise

http://ap.google.com/media/ALeqM5gSCSUM0NtiZA8-NpbGqUuLhkAN4g?size=s

[FrenchieCat]

29. You mean that Hillary and Teddy shook hands for a super

extented period of time? Were you there?

[papau]

36. look at the face - Obama's eyes look down - prior photo was looking at lady Senator

Also photographer said it was a snub and that he turned away - not to talk to anyone - an Obama lie - deal with it

[Quixote1818]

55. How would the photographer know if anything was said? The photo was clearly

taken from long distance. He was probably in the upper seats because the photo is taken from up above. I work as a professional photographer and he used a long lens for that shot.

[papau]

69. he could tell if the lips moved or body turned - you can tell if someone responds to another person

[Whisp]

44. jeebus on a cracker!

big deal who shook or unshook whom! I can't believe this nonsense - meanwhile back in Iraq people are still being blown apart and their country is being stolen by the likes of Cheney and fiends and THIS is what the topic du jour is?

wtf is the matter with you people? please for the love of every left that is sacred have more of an attention span that a gnat.

[csorman]

76. Well said, Whisp!

I can't BELIEVE that people are talking about this nonsense when we have an idiot and his entire entourage of fuck-ups ruining the country. C'mon people! Are you friggin' serious??!?

Stop. Beating. Dead. Horse.

[roguevalley]

62. its amusing how petty the primaries make everyone. I can't wait

until they're over.

[sam sarrha]

37. did you know that the "Dean Scream" was Fabricated, digitally altered out of a room full of yelling

people.. that particular sound was artificially produced.. then hammered into the collective consciousness as the worlds most annoying sound.. while blaming it on Dean, just More Dirty F'n Tricks..

how can we stop this crap..

[Big Blue Marble]

56. It is amazing how the prospective can change the story.

Thank you Connie. I knew that there was more to this than originally met the eye.

Some were so ready to pounce. well meow then.

[Cant trust em]

3. Great. Can we put this to bed now? n/t

[elixir]

6. Ridiculous, just another excuse for his absent-minded behavior. Watch the video, he's avoiding HRC

[zanne]

12. HAH!

This is so ridiculous it's funny!

[MonkeyFunk]

41. What video?

Do you have a link?

[southernleftylady]

58. I didnt think there was a video just a picture? nt

[MonkeyFunk]

63. Yes

That was my understanding, too.

[DURHAM D]

7. Someone needs to put up a video of her mouth moving. n/t

[rodeodance]

70. well, you see -the question was just a twinkle in her eye at that moment of camera capture.

[DURHAM D]

72. I noticed that she walked in trailing Obama like a good dutiful wife.

I assume they framed it with the older blond woman trailing the Young Prince for a reason.

Get the behind me Hillary...

[Greyskye]

8. Finally. A handshake thread I don't have to hide.

:thumbsup:

[MNDemNY]

10. I thought he made a conscious effort to give them a private moment? which is it?

So his campaign person was lying ?

[MadBadger]

13. Seems to me that Axelrod wasnt aware of all this hooplah at 8AM this morning

Prob didnt talk to Obama about the picture.

[MNDemNY]

28. There ya go!

Fuck'em both. Deadlocked convention here we come!!!!! Re-elect Al Gore.

[Kadie]

14. Can't it be both?

:shrug:

[MNDemNY]

21. What ever floats your boat.

I just like to see the two tear each other up. ONWARD TO A BROKERED CONVENTION!Re-elect Al Gore.

[rinsd]

17. The excuses will change. The 1st one didn't work out so well.

[DURHAM D]

34. Give it some time.

Currently he is blaming Claire. Later he will blame Hillary. Either way - it was a woman that made him do it.

[golddigger]

67. Hehe...

:evilgrin:

[fenriswolf]

20. actually that makes alot of sense

can you imagine what people would be saying if he stuck by ted kennedy? bet you anything we would have threads saying obama is acting like a jealous overprotective boyfriend of ted kennedy if obama had stuck by him all night, especially if he stuck around for any small talk HRC might have for teddy.

[MNDemNY]

32. It does, but obama say's different.

The only solution is for them to rip each other up. Brokered convention !!Re-elect Al Gore.

[AtomicKitten]

11. The "snub" subterfuge is preventing acknowledgment that Hillary applauded the surge.

THAT is the story.

Hillary snubbed Obama in Congress the day Obama announced, refusing to shake his proffered hand.

Obama didn't extend his hand to her because he was talking to someone else, ergo no snub.

Next.

[BeyondGeography]

18. Dead bodies matter less than Hillary's feelings and those of her supporters

Get with the program.

[maddiejoan]

22. She was applauding the troops

Why would she applaud the Surge when she has said that it's a failure?

[BeyondGeography]

33. Here's what you get when you google "Hillary the surge is working"

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=GGLR%2CGGLR%3A2006-34%2CGGLR%3Aen&q=hillary+the+surge+is+working&btnG=Search

Yet another issue where she has occupied both sides. Happy reading.

[maddiejoan]

43. At the time

it appeared to be working. At the time Obama ALSO said it was working,

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2007/08/21/obama_clinton_both_cite_iraq_p.html

Before the Surge --she spoke out against it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKPyqRnRMkM

After the Surge she said it was a failure.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22634967/page/3/

<snip>
MR. RUSSERT: Let me turn to Iraq. You brought it up. President Bush had talked to General Petraeus the other day. General Petraeus is to report back to Congress in March. If General Petraeus says the surge is working, that reconciliation started in a big way yesterday when the Iraqi parliament said that former members of the Saddam government can participate in new government, don't pull 35,000 troops out now, keep them there for at least the remainder of the year, would you be open to that?

SEN. CLINTON: No, and here's why, Tim. The surge was certainly explained and rationalized as giving the Iraqi government space and time to make the hard decisions that they needed to make. 2007 was the deadliest year for American troops, and, you know, from my perspective, part of the reason that the Iraqis are doing anything is because they see this election happening and they know they don't have much time, that the blank check that George Bush gave them is about to be torn up.
<snip>

[JAbuchan08]

79. IN other words she followed the "conventional" wisdom

and continues to follow it.

[featherman]

15. As I said last night... unfortunately the other "rude Obama" story

is way too juicy, true or not, and that is the one that will be circulated by Clinton surrogates (witness DU, Whoopi, etc).

This was bad for my guy.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4261467

"What you do not see (cleverly cropped) is who Mr. Obama was engaged in conversation with at that time"

[rinsd]

16. Obama supporter McCaskill said that?

[rodeodance]

45. Obama endorser

[Rageneau]

19. Bullshit. He's lying to cover up his boorishness.

Photos CLEARLY show that BO saw HRC coming his way. He KNEW she was there and, as a gentleman, he would naturally be expected to take her hand for a second and nod.

But he had too little class to act like a gentleman, and now shows even less class by lying about it.

[bunnies]

27. McCaskill is lying too then?

hmm. I knew these replies would come. :thumbsup:

[UALRBSofL]

35. At this point

It doesn't matter. I think the way it all came about last night may have put a little doubt in some women voters minds about Barack. I could be wrong and voters may not think twice about it but folks tend to gravitate toward these kind of gossip type stories. Just my opinion.

[Cameron27]

38. "you're likeable enough"

This may get the same reaction.

[mod mom]

24. Clinton folks just trying to regain the sympathy vote (remember what her tears did?)

Some call it desperation!

[Perry Logan]

31. Obama snubs Hillary...and you're blaming the Clinton people? You need some new material.

[mod mom]

39. Did you read the posts here?-he turned around to respond to someone. Sheesh!

[mod mom]

42. Here's another thread on it:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0108/8178.html

[rodeodance]

48. What has Obama said?--can he speak for himself? just curious if he has said anything?

[NashVegas]

64. From Obama, Who Borrowed It to Cry 'Racism'

Fun, huh?

[alteredstate]

26. k & r

[npincus]

30. yeah, it's a bullshit smear-job. Like the MSM did to Howard Dean

and the so-called "Dean Scream'.

[mondo joe]

46. It's over when people stop talking about it - which could be now, or could be later.

[SIMPLYB1980]

47. Damage Control.

[Barack_America]

50. Actually, isn't it usually the truth that comes out later...

It usually seems that the hysteria and speculation tends to come out first (i.e. Clinton and her MLK comments)

[rodeodance]

51. well---they are a little late--took a long time to get the story straight.

[bunnies]

59. A little late?!

interesting. See: Robert Johnson. What was that... three days?

[rodeodance]

68. Damage control is late given this happened last evening. the obama campaign

had to have know late last night ---msnbc, cnn, the story was all over the world.

it is just odd to see them wait to long.

[bunnies]

75. I didnt see it anywhere but DU last night.

Possible that I missed it however, though I did watch MSNBC until about 11 EST. Still though... even if some were making hay out of it immediately, I dont think noon the next day is a late response.

Perhaps my feeling that the whole thing is a non-issue (ala Hillary snubbing Obama in the Senate) effects my opinion on how quickly he *should* have responded. But I still cant bring myself to think it was too late.

[busymom]

49. Interesting considering

First he claimed that he just wanted to give Clinton and Edwards space after the awkwardness of it all. :shrug:

[rodeodance]

54. I do not know if obama actually said that. did he? just asking.

[Barack_America]

57. He never said that. That was speculation from some reporters and supporters here on DU. n/t

[leftynyc]

66. David Axelrod from his campaign

said it.

[calimary]

53. Hey, I'm glad he clarified it. It was the proper thing to do.

After all, like it or not, it DID leave an impression, and not a good one. He needed to explain it and I'm glad he did.

[milkyway]

60. Dammit! That does not fit into the "Hillary as Victim" theme. It's all she's got!

[IndyOp]

65. I am an Edwards supporter and I endorse this thread. (n/t)

[golddigger]

71. Same here. Never a dull moment on DU.

I guess Edwards was right when he said, "I represent the grownup wing Democratic party.":kick:

[sam sarrha]

74. these threads remind me of Fox interviews with 5 or 6 guests yelling at the same time saying nothing

really loud not actually yelling at anyone in particular..

[shayes51]

77. Here's how Hillary Clinton handled a similar situation:

I attended the Alabama Democratic Conference where she spoke and where she was endorsed by this mostly African American organization. At the end of her talk, I went up front to shake her hand. Just as she was about to take my hand, someone on her other side said something to her. She took my hand anyway and held it while she responded to the other person. After several (15-30) seconds of replying to the third party and continuing to hold my hand, she then turned to me and waited to hear what I was going to say to her. There were no cameras, and I am nobody special, but Hillary Clinton thought enough of me to be courteous. Good manner do matter.

[mathewsleep]

78. it's over?

i can't believe it, i don't know what to do with myself...
i have all this irrational hatred i need to spew forth, and now no outlet for it.
i don't know how to live in a world where people aren't arguing over a handshake.
up is down, left is right, and hillary's not a hawk. everything is backwards.