Pssst, fellow Obama supporters, can I have a moment of your time?

[cali]

Tonight Hillary is the very likely winner of the FL primary. You may think it's nothing but a beauty contest, and that remains to be seen, but odds are strong that she will win it and win it big.

So we have an opportunity to try and change the tone around GD-P, or at the very least to take the high road. We can stay away from being baited and we can either offer our congrats or we can stay away from Clinton cheering threads.

Yeah, I know I'm going to get shit for writing this, and I also know it can be hard to resist the temptation when you're being baited, so it's just a suggestion, but one I'm going to try to follow.

[SteppingRazor]

1. Just voted for Obama here in Florida today. But as for tonight's threads...

it won't be a problem for me. I'll be at Hillary Clinton's appearance here in Florida. And if anyone on either side of this can't understand why or how I could do that, then I can't explain it to you.

[cali]

6. I think I understand

and good luck to you. (of course, I could be wrong)

[SteppingRazor]

15. Aw, what the hell. I'll explain.

Look, I'm supporting whichever Democrat wins. Period. What I don't understand is how someone can not do that. It may be a little trite, but the fact of the matter is, staying home or voting third party in the general election is a vote for the GOP, whether you or I like it or not.

So, while I don't support Hillary in the primary, I will be supporting her if she wins. Given that, why wouldn't I go see what she has to say, given the chance?

[maddiejoan]

22. Big applause

for you.

I feel the same about Obama.

If I had a chance to see him speak --I'd be there in a heartbeat.

[Hoof Hearted]

46. I would also jump at the chance to go see Obama. One of these people

will be our next president, I'm sure of it.

Cheers to you!

[1corona4u]

7. I haven't been yet...

was Biden still on the Ballot?

[SteppingRazor]

9. Yup. n/t

[1corona4u]

11. AWESOME!!!

Thanks!!

[Egnever]

16. Totally understand!

How many chances do you get to see these people live in person to look em in the eye and gage em? Hell I might go see mitt if given a chance.

[tyne]

2. Good

advice.

[CTLawGuy]

3. yes

she will win a large % of 0 delegates.

and for that she should be congratulated.

[bidenista]

8. stay classy. nt

[CTLawGuy]

12. its the truth

no one campaigned in Florida, and there are no ground organizations there.

Becuase the state decided to break the rules, there are no delegates available.

I don't see what is unclassy about pointing that out.
This is a race for delegates, my friend.

[Renew Deal]

4. There's nothing to say except that Hillary hasn't won a single contested primary.

[leftynyc]

20. New Hampshire wasn't contested?

Do tell.

[sandnsea]

21. She tied the delegates there n/t

[leftynyc]

33. But she won the primary

Or does that parsing just work for the chimp?

[sandnsea]

34. Sorry. We're Electing Delegates. Reality. n/t

[leftynyc]

37. And * won in 2000

Gotcha.

[sandnsea]

39. He's in the White House isn't he?

Thems the rules. I didn't write them.

[mathewsleep]

42. actuly i wrote them

i'm very sorry. i was drunk at the time.

[rucky]

5. She'll probably win over half of the Super Tuesday states, too.

This is a marathon, not a sprint.

[Adelante]

10. Fine by me

I couldn't be more sick of shit spray in this place.

[Egnever]

13. I heard someone say something last night

They said something to the effect that she is basically running against herself in florida. Meaning the results cant really help her much but they can hurt her. She is expected to win there the only real stories out of florida will either be the result of a huge blowout or a surprisingly tight outcome. Anything else and its a non story.

I think it will be a substantial win. A totally expected one however. The big story I think will be them trying to pick apart the numbers to figure out what they mean. Not really the margin of lead. Unless by some freak of nature florida flips for Obama.

[jefferson_dem]

14. Ace thread, cali.

Let's stay classy like our candidate.

Offer congrats and move on. :thumbsup:

[cali]

18. Thanks, JDem

it would be great if we could do it. We'll see.

[zulchzulu]

17. Her "win" in Florida will be like a pool player sinking balls while the other player wasn't looking

So I say "Yay! Way to go!"...

I'm sure the media will hopefully call it a cheap "win".

[sandnsea]

19. The truth is Florida is not having an election

MI & FL will seat the delegates after there is a clear winner and their delegates will go for the winner just like all the other delegates will. We could take the reality road.

[joshcryer]

26. The key point is that FL's seats can be usurped by the candidate whose best interest it would be in.

Thus FL's votes do matter, otherwise why prevent them from being seated?

[sandnsea]

31. Florida prevented the delegates from being seated

It isn't fair to call it a legitimate election because there was no campaigning there. Hillary isn't winning anything. The delgates will go to the ultimate winner, just the way they always do.

[joshcryer]

44. Pelosi and Dean said that the delegates will be seated. So please, talk to them about it.

The only way they wouldn't be is if a nominee chose not to seat them, and the only concievable scenario in which that would be the case would be if Obama didn't want to seat them because it would hurt his nomination. Period.

[pampango]

23. Wise advice. Win with class, lose (if you can call it that) with dignity.

Would you permit the observation this early in the day that the less campaigning there is in a state, the better she does. :evilgrin:

[Iwasthere]

24. Slimey

http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2008/01/teddys_endorsement.html

[joshcryer]

25. Yes, don't say that FL doesn't matter, either via delegates, or otherwise.

I will correct you on this matter. Even if I have the goddamn flu.

[cali]

27. um, didn't I suggest that

Obama supporters simply congratulate or move on? Why yes I did. Try to not distort what I said even if you have the flu.

Hope you feel better. Being a teeny eeny bit gracious won't make you any worse.

[joshcryer]

45. It doesn't seem like the "Obama supporters" cared much about this post.

Given how they're already tarnishing the good people of FL and MI over their delegates, especially saying how "FL doesn't matter," to the point where Kerry himself is lying about how FL and MI could play a very pivotal role in ending the nomination of a given candidate. I knew this would happen because I believe there exist an "Obama insanity" when it comes to votes counting.

[Skwmom]

28. A significant chunk of Florida voters are retirees from NY and

NJ so why wouldn't she win?

[Bluerthanblue]

29. I think it's good advice for everyone- and I'm gonna try to follow.

peace~

:hi:

[ZinZen]

30. Good advice Cali, and easy to do

[book_worm]

32. Yes, we should just say congratulations and be done with it.

and move on to Super Tuesday.

[ieoeja]

35. I've never understood shitting on other's threads.

Doesn't matter who does it to whom. And supporters for every candidate has done it to celebratory threads for every other candidate. It seems kind of goofy to me. Why should I be insulted because his/her supporters are in a thread cheering about their victory?

They are not "rubbing it in our noses". As you stated, just stay out of those threads. If you don't want to hear a candidate cheered, then don't go to that candidate's victory rally which is what those threads essentially are.

[Barack_America]

36. I suggest that we discuss the Republican primary in FL...

Considering:

1). It counts
2). If McCain wins, he's the undisputed front-runner going into Super Tuesday
3). It's the end of Guiliani

These are the threads that I'm planning on starting and participating in.

I have a feeling that I'll be using the "hide-a-thread" liberally this evening.

[Alexander]

38. It won't be hard. Just remember that tonight doesn't count.

[AtomicKitten]

40. No worries. The DNC has decreed that Michigan and Florida delegates will not be seated.

Hillary trying a reach-around of the rules is simply adding to her already perceived win-at-all-costs strategy. In the end, zero delegates from Michigan and Florida will be seated. So, if she claims victory in Florida it will mean zip, nada, goose-egg.

[ellisonz]

41. Luckily, I have to work.

[SoxFan]

43. Agreed

I'll read a book, watch a basketball game, or listen to my new Waterboys CD. Good advice.

[cali]

49. What? The Waterboys have a new release?

Really love their music. Sounds like nobody else.

[SoxFan]

52. Not that new

"Book of Lightning". It came out last year, but I'm just now getting around to listening to my Christmas loot.

[mistertrickster]

47. Good plan. nt

[flpoljunkie]

48. Don't take the bait! Ignore threads and they will drop like stones.

[elixir2]

50. Cali, I agree w/ your "high road" approach. In these campaigns every positive movement counts

and this may be one for HRC. As BO racks up endorsements, HRC positions to gain momentum wherever she can. It's called good clean politics and it beats the heck out of hacking away at each other.

Thanks for the post.

[TheDeathadder]

51. I am 100% for HRC

but i also tell the HRC people don't name call, don't mud throw, and don't try to destroy the candidate you oppose.

It's good you tell the Obama people to take the high ground.

We should have heated debates. You try and do your best to your candidate to win the Primary.

We are all Democrats though and we need to remember when the Primary is over we need to be a united party.

There's no need to bait or be baited into pointless behavior and counter-productive hatred.

We're adults and more importantly Democrats. I was glad to see an Obama post that says we need to take the higher ground and produce a productive tone.

It's a tough primary race, but we don't want an impossible GE race.

Hopefully the HRC and Obama people will learn to talk to each other correctly.

So I hope you don't get shit for this post and my hats off to you. The Clinton/Obama/Edwards race is one the Democrats have waited along time for.

[JuniperLea]

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