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Meldread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 06:06 AM
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Welcome to Handshake-gate, the scandal that never was. (Truth inside)
Edited on Tue Jan-29-08 06:12 AM by Meldread
I am chuckling at how ridiculous this is on so many levels. First of all, if it's true it looks bad for both of them. People are throwing rocks at Obama for turning away, but the fact of the matter is Hillary never reached out to shake his hand.

"Clinton ... crossed the aisle between their seats on the House floor and reached out a hand to greet Sen. Edward M. Kennedy...

Kennedy shook her hand while Obama ... turned away.


The rivals then retreated to their seats, only the aisle and four senators between them."

Source: http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iwAZfoVaIxMG3gK2KY4tpS9QN0NQD8UF9GT01

If you look at the pictures, to get to Kennedy, she had to walk by in front of Obama first. Obama did not turn away from Hillary as she extended her hand to him, she never attempted to shake his hand. This is a scandal that never even happened.

This isn't even the first time a snub happened during the campaign.

"The relationship began to change, according to several Democrats who are friendly to both senators, when Mr. Obama began musing aloud about a presidential bid. The day he opened his exploratory committee, several Senate observers said, he extended his hand and said hello on the Senate floor. She breezed by him, offering a cool stare."

Source: http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/08/03/clinton-obama-tensions-spill-into-the-senate/

I really can't even believe that this is an issue. I don't even think Obama was trying to outright snub Hillary, but think he was trying to give her and Senator Kennedy a moment. Ted and Hillary are good friends, and I do think it would have been rude for Obama to inject himself into the middle of that. So, really I don't think this was a snub at all - I think it is a hyped up story by the media to create a scandal that never existed, and if he had intentions on snubbing her it is ultimately irrelevant, because it was a mutual act done by both. That is what the AP reported, which is being distorted here and elsewhere.



EDIT: Here is a better more indepth report of what actually happened.


"It could have been a moment for Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton to demonstrate the civility they say we need in our politics.

Oh, well.

Before the President entered the House Chamber for the State of the Union address, Clinton took a seat three chairs and an aisle away from Obama. While members of Congress were still greeting one another, Clinton crossed the aisle to speak with Democratic Rep. Jim Langvin of Rhode Island, a Clinton supporter. He was seated in front of Obama.

While Clinton was bent over talking to Langvin, who has been in a wheelchair since age 16, the senator sitting next to Barack Obama watched Clinton intently. It was Sen. Ted Kennedy, who had made a splash by endorsing Obama earlier in the day.

Here’s where it could have happened.

When Clinton straightened up, Kennedy quickly reached across Barack Obama to shake Clinton’s hand. She took it. As they spoke, Obama turned away. Then the senators seated to Obama’s right – Ben Nelson and Ken Salazar — both shook Senator Clinton’s hand and talked to her. Instead of doing the same, Obama turned to look at the back of the room. Sen. Claire McCaskill, who has also endorsed Obama and was seated next to Kennedy, reached across the Massachusetts senator — who was still talking to Clinton — and tapped Obama (still twisted toward the back of the room) on the shoulder. McCaskill engaged Obama in conversation until the moment passed."

Source: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/28/state-of-the-union-awkward-moment/
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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 06:09 AM
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1. Clinton Snubs Obama In Greeting Ted Kennedy During State Of The Union
After a day which saw Senator Ted Kennedy endorse Senator Barack Obama for president, you'd think Senator Clinton would take time to avoid playing games with Senator Obama.

Not so.

Instead of directly congratulating Senator Obama, Senator Clinton reaches over and calls only to Ted Kennedy as if Barack wasn't even there! Insulted, and forced to give space to Ted Kennedy so he could reach Senator Clinton's hand Barack turned.

http://zennie2005.blogspot.com/2008/01/clinton-snubs-obama-in-greeting-ted.html

I swear, either this entire discussion is being done with juveniles at keyboards or we've been invaded by Clinton campaign staff and volunteer workers.
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Rockholm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 07:27 AM
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15. It was a CLASSY move on her part.
Unlike Obama's LACK OF CLASS.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 06:12 AM
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2. You ... 'ed the interesting bit out
Clinton, clad in scarlet, crossed the aisle between their seats on the House floor and reached out a hand to greet Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, the Democratic icon whose endorsement she had courted only to lose it to Obama.

Kennedy shook her hand while Obama, wearing a dark suit and standing between the two, turned away.

The rivals then retreated to their seats, only the aisle and four senators between them.

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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 06:15 AM
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4. "(Truth inside)"
That reads like some Jehovah's Witness publication lol
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 03:46 PM
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16. I immediately thought of the "intel inside" logo on computers
Edited on Tue Jan-29-08 03:47 PM by wlucinda

Sometimes intel is accurate...sometimes, not so much. :D
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Meldread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 06:26 AM
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6. I edited the OP.
I threw in the CNN account, which is more in depth.

Really, the whole thing is a silly non-issue, regardless of who did what - I don't even think the handshake thing was intention on either part. Although, it seems they pretty much snubbed each other. No real shock and I can't really blame them. It happens all the time in these types of campaigns.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 06:32 AM
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9. Actually...the reason it IS an issue
is that Obama talks about working together and presents himself as a new kind of politician. A uniter. He shattered the illusion in just a few seconds.
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Meldread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 07:15 AM
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11. So what is Hillary... a divider?
:shrug:

I really don't get this at all. How can you bash Obama for what would have amounted to, essentially, pushing Ted out of the way to shove his hand at Hillary?

Of course, what you are over looking is the fact that Hillary did not attempt to shake his hand at all. She didn't try and speak to him. What was he supposed to do? Had he attempted to force her into a conversation or force her to shake his hand, it would have been awkward for them both, and he would have been bashed for not respecting her wishes and / or personal space.

Now, had Hillary tried to shake his hand, and he blatantly turned away. Then yes, that would have been rude and would have made him look bad. However, that isn't what happened at all. She was ignoring him and he simply respected that and did not impose himself on her.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 06:14 AM
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3. It's beyond ridiculous.
I can't wait till people start counting eyeblinks and reading Morse code telegraphing into them.

Get a grip, DU! We have enough mountains in this nation without manufacturing them from molehills.
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Meldread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 06:28 AM
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7. I have been watching Hillary's eye blinks and have discovered a message.
Her eye blinks are in Morse code, as you said, and she is clearly sending a message: "Obama...is...black..."

:P
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 06:15 AM
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5. yes, a picture was just shown on MSNBC
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shayes51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 06:32 AM
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8. Manners do matter!
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Meldread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 07:22 AM
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13. Yes, they do... so who was at fault?
Hillary walked by Obama and didn't attempt to shake his hand or speak to him. Kennedy threw out his hand to Hillary, as Obama was standing between them. What was he supposed to do? Shove Kennedy out of the way?

Not only is this overblown, it is over analyzed and ridiculous.
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 07:05 AM
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10. Wouldn't a snub occur when one
Edited on Tue Jan-29-08 07:06 AM by Window
proffered a hand to another and that person ignored the extended hand?

Please people, you're getting desperate.



Peace:thumbsup:
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Meldread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 07:19 AM
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12. Exactly.
It's a non-snub. The whole situation is ridiculous.

The CNN story pretty much painted the clearest picture. So what was Obama supposed to do? Shove Ted out of the way and force his hand into Hillary's face? Hillary walked by him and didn't even attempt to speak to him, let alone shake his hand. I see it more as Obama respecting Hillary's wishes to not communicate / interact with him. Had he attempted to impose himself on her he would have looked like an ass.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 07:24 AM
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14. Another sleazy trick from the Texas playbook
and we fell for it. Notice the idiotic grin on Hilly's face.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 03:49 PM
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17. Whether he snubbed her or not
he KNEW she coming over, and he knew she was there. He also knew cameras would be all over the encounter.

It would've been smart, image-wise, to stay and shake her hand and smile. THAT would've been the pic all over the news instead of this.

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