I'm sure Hillary has a reasonable explanation to cheer 'The Surge'.

[Zueda]

Somebody? Anybody?

[Maven]

1. Does Obama have a reasonable explanation for continuing to pay for it?

[JackORoses]

4. to keep body armor and those v-hulled trucks going to the troops

[Maven]

5. And guns? And bullets? And bombs?

And tanks? And fighter planes?

[joeprogressive]

26. Unfortunately they don't get to pick and choose n/t

[jackson_dem]

41. Is that why he flip flopped and began to vote against funding last year?

[Zueda]

6. I don't know does he?

Maybe he should be cheering-on Georgie too, huh?

[Maven]

7. Well, he expressed total agreement with Bush's strategy at one point

Maybe he just lacks staying power? :shrug:

[ErnestoG]

10. Where?

[Maven]

15. His statement is quoted here:

http://broadcatching.wordpress.com/2008/01/08/obama-no-difference-between-me-bush-on-iraq/

As a bonus, here's Obama refusing to sign a Dem letter warning Bush not to take military action against Iran:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/11/01/new-08-iran-rift-obama-_n_70807.html

[ErnestoG]

27. Care to try that one again?

He said:

"“There’s not much of a difference between my position on Iraq and George Bush’s position at this stage.”

Operative term "At this stage" meaning before it became clear that the Bush cabal had lied their asses off on on the whole thing.

When it became clear what was was going on, Obama was understandably and expectedly against the whole thing.


Take things out of historical context much?

[Maven]

28. That's, uh, really weak.

I'm surprised you weren't ashamed to type that.

Actually I'm glad I found that blog entry--sums up pretty comprehensively Obama's BS "anti-war" cred

[ErnestoG]

30. So weak you cannot refute it?

Thats some...weak.

[Maven]

34. Your parsing requires no rebuttal

But thanks for playing another round of What Obama Really Meant.

[rodeodance]

37. First Obama was against the war, then he said he agreed with Bush on the war , then

he funded the war, then he opposed the war when he decided he's run for prez.

[ErnestoG]

8. Cheap equivocation. Speak to the OP

[Maven]

11. No, it's called observing hypocrisy.

[ErnestoG]

18. No, its called "Tu Quoque" and its a cheap dodge.

But what do I expect from a campaign that has nothing to show the American people but an imagined snub from Obama.

[Maven]

20. Tu Quoque?

What a laugh.

This coming from a group whose every other utterance is "Hillary did it too!"

[ErnestoG]

33. you got that backwards...

YOU in the Hillary camp started this "well, Obama too!" shit.

Back to you Bob...

[Maven]

35. You really haven't been here long enough to know

So I'll give you a pass.

[rodeodance]

39. There is a dubious claim made in the OP--NOthing else.

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I'm sure Hillary has a reasonable explanation to cheer 'The Surge'.

Somebody? Anybody?

[CoffeeCat]

12. I'm against these godforsaken wars...

...but it's one thing to be against a war---and another to leave our
soldiers hanging, by not funding an ongoing war.

I couldn't do it.

Obama stood practically alone, against the Iraq war from the onset. Back
then, it was so politically disadvantageous to do this. Bush had 90 percent
approval ratings and any dissent was positioned as being on the side of the
terrorists.

Obama earned my support and respect back then. He had me at "hell no".

LOL! I think I need to get some sleep...

[Maven]

17. Let me ask you this

If Obama is so fond of "symbolic" votes (i.e., his "present" votes in IL), why not vote against it in protest? His vote alone wouldn't have stopped the war funding. So if he was so anti-war, why continue to fund more military action?

And then on top of that, why engage in saber-rattling against Iran and Pakistan?

[CoffeeCat]

29. because when you vote against...

...the funding--you're voting to put the troops in a precarious situation.

He didn't want to vote to strip the soldiers of funding.

I'd feel the same way. I'd say, "Look. I'm against this war and I have been from the
beginning. I spoke out against it. However, I can't vote to leave our troops vulnerable."

Then I would have worked on legislation to end the war or to create time lines, which
is exactly what the Dems did and they failed.

I don't recall Obama "saber rattling against Iran". However, I do remember
his Pakistan comments. He said he would engage in dialog with Pakistan first
and foremost. I don't see that as saber-rattling.

[Maven]

31. Absolute bull

He didn't vote against it because he didn't want to look weak on national defense.

That's the long and the short of it.

[CoffeeCat]

40. Oh please....you're a real piece of work...

Your candidate can't get enough of these neocon wars...backing all
of them as if her life depended on being head cheerleader for the
PNAC agenda.

You've got a lot of nerve questioning Obama's intentions when your
candidate is the ultimate warmongering shill.

No need to wonder about her intentions. She votes for anything
that propagates war.

So please...spare me your third-rate, Rorschach extrapolations on Obama's
votes.

[Maven]

43. No, dear God, let us not question Obama's intentions.

Hope and change, my friend, hope and change.

[CoffeeCat]

44. Oh please...

...you can't even have a rational discourse, can you?

I was commenting on you attributing intentions to Obama, that are steeped
in your undying support for Hillary.

You don't care what the reality is...that Obama didn't want to de-fund the troops
and put them in harm's way.

You had to interject your own stuff into his actions.

That's not interesting nor is it accurate...it's just you and your Magic 8 ball.

Pardon me, if I'm not dazzled by your biased drivel.

[Maven]

45. ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4261463&mesg_id=4261843

[CoffeeCat]

46. What's hilarious about you trying to corner...

Obama about his 'war votes', is that Hillary is the war Queen.

I take it that you approve of her war votes?

You seem to be so fixated on Obama's every move, when your
candidate has more war under her belt than the average neocon.

It's a lot like listening to Brittany Spears point out that Lindsay
Lohan is an out-of-control drunk.

[Maven]

47. I don't support anyone's pro-war votes.

Not Clinton's.

Not Obama's.

Not Edwards'.

What I do support is consistency and forbearance from rewriting history.

[goldcanyonaz]

2. In support of our troops who are still fighting.

[eridani]

19. Being pro-war is to supporting the troops--

--as being pro-arson is to supporting firefighters.

[maddiejoan]

3. she probably had nodded off

like 90% of the people in the theater

[Zueda]

9. jumbing up in applause doesn't sound much like nodding off to me.

[maddiejoan]

23. Does the Obama campaign

make you guys take pills that take away your sense of humour?

just curious.

[Zueda]

49. It was Clinton who gave me the "pill"...

in the form of the AUMF.

[gateley]

13. Bush worded his statements so people would HAVE to applaud --

like blah blah blah surge blah blah blah AND WE VOW to give you everything you need to fight this war! If you care about the troops, you applaud --

[MadBadger]

14. Obama and half the dems remained in their seats.

[ErnestoG]

16. Because he's true to his opposition to the war

Or should I say he didnt nod off and jump up because others did

[jackson_dem]

42. Half didn't. Who were they? Obamites think half of Dems support the war?

[gateley]

22. Really? I didn't know that - I stand corrected (this is what happens when

I don't know the whole story). But I WAS thinking, as I was watching, that the statements were manipulated and presented in such a way that they almost always ended on a positive note which would engender applause.

[MadBadger]

24. You're responding to me...right? And not yourself?

[gateley]

25. Yeah. Should I go to bed now? nt

[Lucinda]

21. Sure. Go get us the full section of his statement. I'm sure we can help you out.

[rodeodance]

32. please explane what you are talking about.

[johnnydrama]

36. just curious

what about George W Bush makes you think that he'd pull out the soldiers if they were losing funding?

He didn't care the first few years whether the soldiers had the proper body armor, or their humvee's had the proper armor.

What makes you think he'd care now, if the funding was gone.

He'd let soldiers die and blame the Democrats.

[rodeodance]

38. I think you meant to direct this to someone else.

[johnnydrama]

48. sorry

meant to be to people who automatically think that W will pull out troops if their funding is reduced.