So now that Keith Olbermann just endorsed the "Obama at fault"

[Tarc]

version of Handshake-gate a moment ago, as relayed by the AP photographer to took the picture, is DU's contingent of Team Obama ready to throw in the towel?

[Joe the Revelator]

1. Is Team Hillary ready to admit that it just really doesn't matter who shook who's hand?

[ErnestoG]

2. Don't hold your breath. Thats all they think they've got.

[maddiejoan]

5. Symbols are important, Wolsh

at best it's still a bad campaign decision.

He had to realize him and Hillary would have at least one camera trained on them.

[Joe the Revelator]

8. This is why I don't think it was intentional

He knew the camera was on him, and he knew how dumb it would have been to just turn away. I honestly think he thought he was doing the right thing by letting Hillary and Ted have a moment together.

I'd like to see an actual video of the exchange.

[rodeodance]

19. good try.

[Joe the Revelator]

21. Please add a little substance to your posts. WHY was it a "good try"? WHY do you think I'm wrong?

Two word responses don't really prove your point.

[rodeodance]

32. I find your post searching for an excuse and you came up one--lame, but it is an excuse

[0007]

54. Wow! You posted more than two words.

Two word responses is all that's in store for the rodeoqueen.

[ClericJohnPreston]

35. It is absolutely in keeping with his style of

SELF-INFLICTED wounds.

No matter how you look at it, Obama need look no further than his own mirror in assigning blame. It is time you Obamites took some responsibility, instead of reflexively looking for someone else to blame for your candidate's gaffes.

Whether he is channeling Reagan, bashing the left wing of his Party, throwing activism under the bus, being rude at a debate, being rude tonight, dealing with a known political fixer, telling white lies about his past, the cumulative effect is of a self-destructive candidate.

Obama has no one to blame, but Obama.

[rodeodance]

46. makes me wonder what statement they will issue?

Obama has no one to blame, but Obama.

[Tarc]

20. There is no video, only the photo

That is what KO touched upon, that he is taking the word of the AP photographer whom he feels is trustworthy, on the matter.

I'm just trying to see how this affects the Obama camp here; obviously KO is held in very high regard on this forum...and rightly so...so it will be interesting to see if he gets attacked by the Obama camp, called a "sellout" or whatever the choice term will be when the bloggers wake up tomorrow.

[Joe the Revelator]

27. I think that KO has been fair, but he likes a story just like anyone else

The picture, as I and others have shown, doesn't really prove much, aside from Hillary wanting to shake hands with Ted. The picture isn't even wide enough to show if Obama is turning to talk to anyone in particular.

[neutron]

49. More like he's seen this kind of thing and doesn't like it

[leftynyc]

64. Maybe being petty

just came natural to him.

[FrenchieCat]

9. Speeches aren't even important in Hillary world.....why would symbols be?

[maddiejoan]

13. ???

I don't get it.

[ClericJohnPreston]

38. It's Frenchie...

don't ask the obvious...... :)

[rodeodance]

42. Ha ha--silly me.

[maddiejoan]

47. hehehe

thx

[FrenchieCat]

55. Don't know why, in your world. Speeches and Hope are devalued, while symbols are important!

maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Mon Jan-28-08 10:07 PM
Response to Reply #1
5. Symbols are important, Wolsh


:eyes:

[rodeodance]

14. Changing the topic will NOT make the issue go away.

[FrenchieCat]

41. I'm scared!

I already know that it will be milked.

After all, this is a press that would happily take us to war.
Why shouldn't they destroy a candidate because he's too upitty
to shake a hand.

So What else is new? :shrug:

[MoonRiver]

67. "he's too upitty to shake a hand"

BINGO! Definitely NOT ok for a world leader. :thumbsdown:

[rodeodance]

6. Rude petty behavior by a candidate is nothing to dismiss.

[question everything]

7. Shows character which, I thought, is what Obama supporters

have been talking, in contrast to experience and track record.

[VotesForWomen]

57. bingo. but.. but... obama's not like all those other nasty politicians. ha. nt

[mondo joe]

11. When all you've got is UNITY talk, it helps if you actually live it. NT

[Dogmudgeon]

18. A while ago

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4260280#4260397

--p!

[flpoljunkie]

73. David Axelrod said that Obama did not want to lord it over her with Kennedy at his side. This makes

perfect sense to me. He was being sensitive and gracious.

How many people saw this so called "snub?" I certainly did not.

Is this all you got? It's pathetically insufficient.

More from The Page on David Axelrod's appearance on Morning Joe regarding the "snub..."

OBAMA CAMPAIGN: NO SNUB INTENDED

On “Morning Joe,” Obama chief strato-man Axelrod said The Snub wasn’t a snub, but simply a matter of Obama dealing with the “awkwardness” of the day and wanting to give Kennedy and Clinton a private moment.

http://thepage.time.com/2008/01/29/the-snub/

[scheming daemons]

3. Well... that does it for me...

I look for Obama to drop out of the race tomorrow... from the sheer shame of it all.

Can't see how he'll recover from this.......

(sarcasm)

[gateley]

4. God. "At Fault?" What I'm pissed about is who's FAULT it is we're in a war,

and who's fault it is that the world hates us, and who's fault it is that gas is $3+ a gallon.

Those are things to hold someone responsible for!

Not who did or didn't shake somebody's hand.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

10. I'm just disappointed that Keith even covered it at such length

He lets me down sometimes. :shrug:

[rodeodance]

16. The non-handshake that has gone around the world by now.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

In all seriousness

If this has a measurable effect on the election, I give up. This is starting to rival the stupidity of the media coverage of Al Gore's 'sighs'. None of us have any idea what really happened there, no matter what people speculate about it.

Any voter who bases their decision on this is a moron.

[rodeodance]

34. agreed, I really think many will look for a pattern. Time will tell.

[rodeodance]

40. btw

I had not thought of the sign for a long while. but thinking on it, the RW and the msm went on and on and on about it. after a while it may have made a difference to some people. who knows.

[AX10]

12. Obama and co would be screaming had Stateswoman Hillary done this.

Obama is not stateanything so he wouldn't know the difference.

[Mojambo]

23. And they'd be just as pathetic. n/t

[VotesForWomen]

58. absolutely. they'd be claiming it was racism on hillary's fault. nt

[Mojambo]

15. Keith needs ratings as much as anyone else.

Obama/Clinton bad blood = RATINGS.

[EFerrari]

17. Hillary took a huge hit today and her campaign is desperate

to change the channel.

It's not going to happen.

[rodeodance]

22. well guess what deperado--the Channel is STUCK on this channel for a while now.

[EFerrari]

28. Because something that did not happen is more important

than the endorsement of Ted, Caroline and Patrick Kennedy. Okay. Make it work for you.

[JackORoses]

30. the news is Kennedy...get used to it, rodeoclown!

[EFerrari]

33. Hey, no need to be rude to rodeodance. n/t

[rodeodance]

43. I have experienced that Ip'er's rudeness and pettyness a lot-as as others. thanks.

[0007]

56. Redoqueen has her PR to protect!

[rodeodance]

45. guess what jack....The new news is Obama's pettyness.

[JackORoses]

48. to the Hillarites who are desperate for any crumb of good news

Did Hillary try to shake Obama's hand?
No, she did not. Was that petty of her?

[leftynyc]

65. Supporter of the "unity" candidate

why am I not surprised.

[Lucinda]

24. What huge hit?

[EFerrari]

36. Mainly, Ted Kennedy is now off to campaign into Obama's deficits

-- unions, hispanics. And, of course, the weight of the Kennedys is now behind Obama. That must have been hard to take right after South Carolina.

[Lucinda]

50. She's got a 37 point lead in Mass, even after Kerrys endoresement, and is about to win

Kennedys vacation home state of Florida later today.

Kennedy is a great endorsement for Obama. But I'm certainly not too worried about it making much of a difference in the grand scheme of things.

[EFerrari]

51. Florida? Is Hillary running in Florida?

[Lucinda]

52. They are all on the ballot. She's likely to win. That will be good press.

She's getting good press tonight.
I'm thinking she's pretty happy right now.

[leftynyc]

66. I think the only thing getting press tonight

will be the drubbing that's coming Rudy's way in Florida today.

[Texas_Kat]

79. The Texas Tejano Dems just endorsed HC

The Primary in Texas will actually COUNT this time. The Tejano Dems endorsement is big news.

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/politics/entries/2008/01/28/tejano_democrats_endorse_sen_c.html

It takes a 2/3rd vote for an endorsement -- so it wasn't even close.

[Tarc]

25. The only hit taken today is in Obama's grasp of statesmanship

Why would the Clinton camp be desperate? They hold sizable leads in the majority of the Super Tuesday states.

[EFerrari]

31. "Obviously, Senator Clinton reaching across to shake the hand

of Senator Kennedy" -- Keith Olbermann.

Verbatim.

[Tarc]

37. I guess you ignored the part

where he talked about Obama turning away, eh?

Selective interpretation is about what I've come to expect from you, lately.

[EFerrari]

39. No, I didn't. It was beside the point. But whatever. Maybe you need that today. n/t

[BringEmOn]

75. Or Keith referring to the photo as "Pulitzer Prize."

This isn't going away.

[southern_dem]

26. uh

You know this is a replay right? Recorded before the corrected version of the AP story. This is my last comment on this subject since both the Clinton and Obama people are being totally ridiculous. I'll check back tomorrow when the adults (hopefully) are back.

[Metric System]

29. It has been mentioned in a few reports that in an unusual move, Obama shook the hands of Bush's

cabinet, yet he twists himself into a pretzel to avoid Hillary.

[Catherine Vincent]

44. Obama supporters need to admit that he was rude to Hillary and just move on.

That is all.

[michaz]

61. Maybe is was rude of her to stretch her arm across Obama to reach Kennedy's hand!

[Knox Harrington]

53. Everyone's missing the point

Who cares if it was intentional on Obama's part or not (regardless of the fact that we know it was intentional)? The point is: Obama looks like a mean, classless man.

And it makes HRC look sympathetic.

This is a huge help for HRC!!!!

YES!!!!! YES!!!! YES!!!

HRC all the way to the White House, baby!

[michaz]

59. I really don't care if they shook hands or not! With all the crap...

going on between these two, who cares. I am sure I would not be shaking hands with the person who was talking crap about me either. I just don't think they need to shake hands just to make it look good. That would just be hypocritical. If one or the other extended their hand it would be only for looks! Why bother when we all know how they really feel.

[leftynyc]

68. Please ask yourself if

you'd think it was so immaterial if Clinton had done something so rude and petty.

[GalleryGod]

60. Towel? I would've laughed in her "Joker-made-up" face.

Mika! Smarter, Younger, and much prettier than the Joker.

[JTFrog]

62. The desperation after S.C. is almost as stunning as the defeat! n/t

[workinclasszero]

63. I thought Hillary was tough..

Guess not if she and her supporters are going to cry over a missed handshake! ROTFLMAO!!!

Shit the rethug's are going to have a field-day if Hillary is the dem candidate I guess. Apparently she will be weeping all over the airwaves in the fall cause the mean ole republicans wont shake her hand either! LOLOLOLOL!!

[leftynyc]

69. Another Obama supporter who doesn't get

the point. You do realize you're going to need Clinton supporters to not only vote for Obama but also to phone bank, drive people to the polls, ect. Keep looking as petty as your candidate did last night - that's sure to bring unity to the party.

[MoonRiver]

70. Thank you for that leftynyc!

Because right now I won't even consider contributing money or time to Obama if he is the nominee.

[totodeinhere]

71. What I am concerned about

Am I concerned about who opposed the Iraq war from the very beginning and who didn't? Yes I am.

Am I concerned about who voted to enable the Bush/Cheney war mongering policy on Iran and who didn't? Yes I am.

Am I concerned about who can beat John McCain in November and who can't? Yes I am.

Am I concerned about who shook whose hand? No I am not.

[Tarc]

77. but but but!

The Obama campaign has always been about character, about rising above Washington politics, and all that. What says "Washington politics" more than a Cheney-sque "go fuck yourself" moment?

[totodeinhere]

78. He was turning to greet another senator. He meant no snub.

[rox63]

72. So what do the folks who think KO is promoting Obama think of this?

Kinda contradicts the "KO :loveya: Obama" scenario.

[JAbuchan08]

74. olbermann is good - but he's not my God

[Bread and Circus]

76. I respect KO and would even if he blatantly endorsed Clinton

I don't have to agree with someone on everything in order to respect their opinion.