If Kerry is electable...

[CTLawGuy]

then why are so many people here so worried if a few lefties vote for Nader?

If Kerry will bring in 2-3 independents for every lefty they lose, why all the hate toward the disillusioned?

[Dookus]

1. I'm not worried

never have been. I have consistently said I don't give a shit how stupid people vote.

[dawgman]

4. Ah yes and we idealists look down OUR noses at those who don't

view the world as we do, eh?

[Dookus]

6. I have no idea

I'm not talking about idealists.

I'm talking about stupid people.

[dawgman]

8. Why is someone, such as myself, who does not buy into the Kerry

is God and all that is necessary for my vote is a D crap, stupid?

on edit; if I weren't such a polite guy, I would question your intelligence for thinking that any real, significant change will be facilitated by a Kerry admin.

[Dookus]

9. Don't vote for him

who cares?

didn't I already make my feelings known on this?

[dawgman]

12. yes but tell my why I am stupid (I am dumb after all so please use small

words).

Also it has been coming from people like you that left wing wackos like myself tend to look down on people. Seems to me that this is a rather clear case of the pot calling the kettle black.

[Dookus]

14. You're ascribing a lot of views belonging to other people to me

and that's unfair.

It is my position that anybody at a level of awareness above coma for the last 3 years who doesn't see a difference between Kerry and Bush must be stupid. That's the charitable view.

[WillyBrandt]

2. Because we don't want any idiots fucking around at the margins

We want as total a defeat for Bush as can be mustered.

[zoeyfong]

26. Well i guess the dems should have thought about that before now.

It's pretty laughable that the democratic strategy to win elections is to simply demand that all left wing candidates drop out and all their supporters vote for the dem nominee. Hey, if we really want to win, why don't we just demand that Bush drop out and all repugs vote for kerry!

[fearnobush]

3. Because Bush, the BFEE, STEAL VOTES!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ABB,XN

[David Dunham]

5. Excellent Post. Bush will steal every vote he can.

[saltpoint]

7. Bush loses in November.

He's alienated entire nations and turned sectors of the U.S. population against each other for cheap political gain.

He's toast.

[mikehiggins]

10. Only if we turn out the vote and get the people to the polls and

make sure people aren't turned away from the polling stations and that the votes aren't stolen and that the electronic machines aren't hacked by signals from that secret installation built beneath the Vice President's residence and, and, and...

Make no mistake about it: there is a whole HELL of a lot of work to be done over the next few months and the GOP is NOT going quietly into that gentle night. They will fight for every single state, for every single vote.

This time we have to be ready.

[saltpoint]

13. Hi, mikehiggins. You make good sense and --

-- I'm ready with sleeves rolled up to help.

My aunt raised my cousins and me to stuff envelopes, make phone calls, and go door-to-door since we were very young. Old habits die hard and the whole gang of us will be throwing in for the Democrats this time, too.

I'm so eager to have a crack at voting Bush out. I respect the office of president but not always the Republicans who occupy it. :)

[MurikanDemocrat]

11. I'm not worried about Nader. But I have contempt for Nader and those

who resort to tantums and emotional extortion that if they don't get their candidate or their agenda they will vote 3rd Party out of revenge.

[tinanator]

15. thats cool, I have contempt for pro invasion/occupation/slaughter types

myself. And I'll be goddamned if I will ever vote for one.

[WillyBrandt]

17. No worries. You have to be at least 18 to vote.

[MurikanDemocrat]

19. Vote as you please. Spare us the bullshit.

[tinanator]

20. you first

not an ounce of bullshit in what I said. Shall I look forward to another 4 years of blaming Nader for Kerry's loss to his fraternal twin? Im just trying to help you define the issues that WILL cost you voters. Theres nothing to extort from the openly complicit, and I for one want no part of you and yours. Sometimes something as fundamental as murder/killing/war/capital executions seems like a simple enough moral and political issue of import, but not everyone agrees. Mutually exclusive interests means someone is in the wrong party. All this in a 2 party system where you should be trying to coalesce votes and support from the "OPPOSITION" in order to justify having a seperate party anyway, y'know what I mean? Me neither.

[MurikanDemocrat]

21. so like I said, vote as you please and spare us the bullshit

I don't need your help defining the issues, thankyouverymuch. I am not asking for your vote. I can't fix things in the past you don't like. And I don't blame Kerry for the blood on Bush's hands not for something Kerry couldn't have prevented in the first place.

Now here's the deal. I am not personally powerful enough to cause the majority of all the voters in the 30 primary states thus far to cast their votes for Kerry. Nor am I personally powerful enough to prevent people from voting for your candidate of choice. So quit blaming me or a couple hundred people in GD Primary for that.

Push yourself away from the PC and go to vote for whatever candidate and Party you consider worthy of your time and vote. That's what I intend to do.

[tinanator]

25. dont bitch Nader when its over

thats all Im saying. You might not be personally powerful enough to cause the majority of all the voters yadda yadda, but some people are. The fundamental notion of democratic representation is not being met by our system, and players like Kerry have no intention of fixing it in our favor.

[zoeyfong]

27. And by 'bullshit' you mean inconvenient, embarassing truths?

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[AZCat]

18. Cut-and-paste working well for you?

I think this is the sixth or seventh post with the same message within the last hour from you.

Don't you think that's a bit much?

[MurikanDemocrat]

22. It's actually more like 10 centrist votes for every votes lost to Nader.

Nader is insignificant and will be lucky to get 1% this year.

Here's the math.

2.7% Greens Election 2000
minus Greens who never have nor never will vote anything but Green.
minus Greens who live in states we will already win by a significant margin
minus Greens who live in states we will already lose by a significant margin
minus the majority of Greens from Election 2000 who have already vowed to vote Democratic this time


What’s left are a miniscule number of Greens for which we’d lose far greater numbers of moderates if Greens were allowed to dictate major parts of the Democratic Party platform.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

23. I don't think anyone's worried, there are just a tiny number of Naderites

who wish people were worried. Although just what exactly they are hoping to achieve escapes me.

[Piperay]

24. Not worried

this is not 2000, Nader is irrelevant this time around.