A Sad day in the history of the United States

[seventhson]

when two members of the same corrupt secret society of bankers, politicians and spooks will, for the first time in history, be our only two choices for President.

Now I must rally behind somone I have no trust or confidence in because the alternative is like being Satan's Eunuch.

Either way I am sad and worried for our future tonight.

Mark my words: Kerry is NO Clinton. He will not be able or even willing to undo what Bush has started. We will need to continue to agitate for reforms if Kerry is to do ANYTHING progressive.

I hope I am wrong. I am happy for the true believers in Kerry who are in denial about this "problem" and who are excited about unseating Bush.

I am not optimistic that he will be unseated but I have hope.

But I am confient of one thing about Kerry. He could not possibly be worse than Bush. I suppose I could be wrong about that too.


Prayer time

[Dookus]

1. I do the happy

POOP DANCE!!!



:party:

:bounce:

:party:

:bounce:

[ShaneGR]

58. Skull and Bones! Skull and Bones!

Gees, you'd have thought they had mind control devices for all of the Dem voters.

[seventhson]

61. Yeah - It's called television

[Fla_Democrat]

100. Good one

:evilgrin:

[bobthedrummer]

80. Did you ever read HR2977, The Space Preservation Act of 2001?

The original language mentioned "mind control", as well as a lot of other things-all the text pertaining to "exotic weapons" was disappeared from the revision, HR3616/The Space Preservation Act of 2002.
CNN, MSNBC, all the media is one form of mind control/behavior modification, the Internet another. The media is now all about reinforcement schedules, IMHO.

Here is a link to HR2977, including the exotic weapons section. Once again, Dennis Kucinich is in advance of most of us, but his concern is all of US.
http://www.raven1.net/govptron.htm

[sistersofmercy]

2. Gee, are you just going to post your negativity all night?

:shrug:

[Kanary]

11. All night, all week, all month, all year....

Some things don't change.

Kanary

[Atman]

3. DU has been pretty effective

at hammering home a message about/to Bush.

DU can't/won't/shouldn't shut down just because Kerry wins. It needs to remain a voice for the real party.

[WillyBrandt]

4. I refuse to say that you're a frothing lunatic

[RedSox02]

5. Send your thoughts to Hannity and co.

The world is about to be bombarded with remarks about how "Liberal John Kerry is" from the right.

As far as your concern, while Kerry has been somewhat of a dissapointment to me, I still think he is much much mich better than Bush. He is not a "slight improvement".

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[Spider Jerusalem]

9. In the same vein...

I'll refrain from asking if the electro-convulsive therapy is helping.

[WillyBrandt]

12. Ouch!

:)

[XanaDUer]

36. Pencil between the teeth?

:shrug:

[DenverDem]

7. But that's just Illuminati tinfoil hatism.

Pay no attention to the man masturbating in the coffin in front of his fellow society members.

What could be wrong with that?

[Minstrel Boy]

10. I wonder if, when the initiate ejaculates,

the elder bonesmen shout "Geronimo!"

They stole his skull, after all. Might as well have fun with it.

[HalfManHalfBiscuit]

22. And they all compete to catch the leaping spoo in their mouth.

Sort of like a native American/bride garter thing.

[DenverDem]

28. It's all just good, clean fraternal fun.

Why would anyone worry about that?

I mean, you'd have to be a crazy tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist to think that was any indication of sociopathology.

[HalfManHalfBiscuit]

34. Yep. Then they spank their hineys all red...

...and pick olives off of blocks of ice with their butts. Then they place the olives into cheap martinis and drink them!

Then they put on satin togas and discuss how ruling the world is going.

[BringEmOn]

82. Native American?

[redqueen]

87. I hope nobody who might be offended sees this garbage.

*sigh*

[redqueen]

86. That's pretty insulting

How about a little respect for the dead, huh?

[Minstrel Boy]

94. No offense at all intended to

Geronimo.

All offense intended to the society which robbed his grave and keeps his skull as a trophy and symbol of their power.

Even the limited-hangout history of S&B, Alexandra Robbins' Secrets of the Tomb, confirms the outrage.

Would a President Kerry decree that Geronimo's remains be returned?

[redqueen]

96. Are you joking?

He would never demand such a humanitarian gesture as an apology for his personal participation in the club which not only robbed Geronimo's grave, but allegedly many others, as well.

Loyalty to the 'frat' club, ya know. Just beer and stupidity. Oh yeah, and graverobbing too.

[Minstrel Boy]

98. Sadly, I was joking.

Some bonds, for some people, are stronger than those of blood and country.

Americans don't need to believe Skull & Bones is a branch of the Illuminati to be worried about its untoward and unhealthy private influence upon public life.

And this isn't some youthful indiscretion for Kerry. To this day, according to Alexandra Robbins, he uses "322" as a code, and in 1986 he surprised Yale junior Jacob Weisberg, now editor of Slate, with a "tap" to join Skull and Bones. (As described in Robbins' Secrets of the Tomb.)

Weisberg had been interning at the New Republic, and received a call from Kerry's secretary to come to his office. Weisberg asked what it was about, and she said Kerry wouldn't tell her. Just that he wanted to see Weisberg the next morning.

Weisberg was stunned to learn Kerry wanted to invite him to join Skull and Bones.

They argued for a while - Weisberg was surprised that someone supposedly liberal would associate with S&B - and after Weisberg made it clear he wasn't interested, Kerry wouldn't accept No. He asked that Weisberg promise to think about it further.

Weisberg called Kerry's office later and was put straight through, and told him flatly he was rejecting the offer. Kerry expressed his disappointment.

[mobuto]

41. Watch out DenverDem

The black helicopters are coming to get you!

[DenverDem]

49. It's alive!!

I've missed you.

[DuctapeFatwa]

8. When the majority of voters in any country would rather spend a dollar

to kill someone elses's child than spend a dime to buy medical treatment for their own, whether the policy is articulated in pretty words by a telegenic ectomorph or stuttered out by a mental defective is the least of your problems.

[Forkboy]

14. and sadly,your voice will be drowned out by the rah rah rah...

of people who can't see past November.

[madrchsod]

17. brilliant------

"telegenic ectomorph" brilliant! you have written some really great stuff -this is one of the best.

[Kanary]

18. That says it like it really is

Should make some really think.

But... no such luck.

We'll go for a hairdo any day.

Pah.

Kanary

Another Delusional Diehard for Dennis!!

Kucinich 2004!

[emulatorloo]

66. That says it like it really is NOT - JK is far from GWB

despite the DuctapeFatwa's endless repetition of his simplistic, insulting, and cute message. Repetition repetition repetition does not make it so, faux news to the contrary.

I expect that JK will be sympathetic to DK's concerns. I expect GWB will laugh in DK's face.

[Cleita]

23. I feel we haven't had a choice.

I can't speak for brainwashed.

[sistersofmercy]

30. Oh DF...

I refuse to believe the majority of voters care more about killing someone else's children than caring for their own. I totally disagree with you on this because I believe policy will change.

[GreenArrow]

38. one small consideration

I'm sure others can chime in with more if they wish.

The two pro Iraq War, pro Patriot Act, pro War on Terror (TM) candidates absolutely dominated the rest of the field, composed of anitwar candidates. One time supporters of erstwhile "grassroots"/"populist"/"antiwar" candidates deserted their champions to cast their lot with one of the two electable pro status quo candidates, while the two candidates who have been straight with the electorate on virtually every issue, and who have been vindicated repeatedly on their unpopular opinions, collect single digit voting totals in virtually every state. Message from electorate: Just get rid of Bush. The fact that the apparent nominee offers a platform not particularly different from Bush's on any number of matters of import, is unimportant.

[redqueen]

88. Yep, that says it all

DF is right.

[Kanary]

60. I hope you're fully prepared to stand behind that belief

Because *I* believe it's going to take one hell of a lot of constant pushing.....

Kanary

[Desertrose]

45. Oh DF....priceless...

as always...such words (& images ) seared into my brain........telegenic ectomorph ...*snork*

but as always your posts hit the truth of the matter.....

DR

[Gman]

47. Telegenic ectomorph????

ec·to·morph    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (kt-môrf)
n.    An individual having a lean, slightly muscular body build in which tissues derived 
from the embryonic ectoderm predominate.

ec·to·derm    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (kt-dûrm)
n.   1. The outermost of the three primary germ layers of an embryo, from which the epidermis, 
nervous tissue, and, in vertebrates, sense organs develop.
   2. The outer layer of a diploblastic animal, such as a jellyfish.

Very good. I like that!

[emulatorloo]

69. Stop insulting me

Stop repeating this insulting simplistic nonsense. Get some perspective.

Yes I know you have one. GWB and JK are just the same, and therefore supporters of JK support GWB. It is a perspective from a billion miles away. GWB and Kerry are both men, see they are just the same. They both look like ants to me! See they are both the same.

[LWolf]

71. Yes.

The future is not filled with hope at the moment.

Can I quote you for my post-convention sigline?

[HalfManHalfBiscuit]

13. Thank you. You will feel much better now that you have lined up w/Kerry

Now we can unite and beat that bastard Bush.

[kiahzero]

15. Good to know that we've got supporters of LaRouche posting tonight (n/t)

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[mobuto]

42. Perhaps

Thorazine and aspirine might work better.

[Forkboy]

55. Pot feeds paranoia

NOT what we need in this case :)

[DebJ]

19. I agree.

[saltpoint]

20. Aw heck. Don't be a party-pooper. The man won a --

-- lot of votes today. It'd be good form to offer congratulations.

[ordentros]

21. I agree

when people say we can now unite, I hope it is behind Nader....

I was excited to see what happened in SF after the dems nearly lost....

[MurikanDemocrat]

24. You'd be wrong. This site doesn't support Nader.

[GreenArrow]

25. your'e preaching to the choir here. Kerry will win. And

four years from now he will be replaced.

[Citizen Kang]

26. Thats CRAZY TALK

Youre crazy! Just plain CRAZY, I say!!!! You tin-foil hat wearing lunatic!!! How dare you infer that our glorious party just made a horrible mistake or that we have just been manipulated into making a poor choice for a nominee!!!

How dare you be upset that once again the American public has no REAL choice in November. How dare you be worried about our future. How dare you be angry. The party can do no wrong. If you are not ABB you are obviously an RNC inflitrator or some left-wing fringe nut-job! Shame on you! We must all march lock-step now under Kerry's banner, the time for debate or complaining is over. That is the Democratic way!

>/SARCASM OFF

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[DenverDem]

48. Merely a statement about the demand to goose step in unison.

Glad you got back around to us.

Say "howdy" to the other guys in the boiler room.

[mobuto]

50. You're unwilling to support the eventual Dem nominee

so you compare him to Adolf Hitler?

Your response obscures more than it elucidates.

[DenverDem]

54. I'll vote for him,

I just don't have to stop having independent thoughts once he's nominated, nor do I have to stop demanding he do what needs to be done to right the ship of state. Expedience and electability won't get the job done any more.

[corporatewhore]

27. But hes got a good hair do

[corporatewhore]

29. But hes got a good hair do

[Dennis Quaranta]

32. Kerry's Concession Speech

John Kerry will give a brilliant concession speech in November. He'll soar to new rhetorical heights as he congratulates George Bush for a hard-fought fight and pledges to work with him for a better America. He'll be even more generous than Al Gore!

It's something to look forward to. He'll make us all proud to be American.

[mobuto]

46. If you're looking to lose

why don't you stay home and hide under the covers?

[shanti]

79. i think i will be sick

:puke: that scenario sounds all too probable.

[WorldCitizen]

33. That's why I support Kucinich

He's the only (remaining) candidate who offers any real alternative to bush. When Kerry bothered to show up to vote, he supported the PATRIOT act and the occupation of Iraq. Clearly, bush f'd up the economy to the point where wall street needed a different leader. Kerry, mr scull-and-bones, is the chosen one.

Vote your conscience - vote Kucinich in the primaries... and at the democratic convention. Its our only opportunity for a clear choice between bush and something better. Much, much better.

[David Zephyr]

35. Satan's Eunuch

That would be hot to watch.

Seriously, I agree with this, "He could not possibly be worse than Bush".

John Kerry is literate to start with and probably never had to pay a girl to fuck him which I'm certain the boy from Midland did.

[saltpoint]

39. Hi, David. Regarding who's had to pay and who hasn't...

...I hadn't considered it from that angle, but now that you mention it, I hope the matter is raised by the media generally and by Kate Bierne (sp?) of Capital Gang specifically. I think it would give Kate the national profile recognition she otherwise lacks owing to her vast absence of talent as a journalist. Bush's mind might be so coke-addled that he can't cough up the details, but she could threaten him with a pretzel and I'm sure we'd get the whole story then.

Christ, it's late and it's clear I don't know what I'm saying.

(Nice post, David. Thanks.)

[David Zephyr]

40. Ha!

Threaten him with a pretzel! :hi:

[XanaDUer]

37. Again,

"when two members of the same corrupt secret society of bankers, politicians and spooks will, for the first time in history, be our only two choices for President."


How do YOU know so much about this secret society? And I don't mean whack-nut web sites, or books printed out of someone's garage in Idaho.

If it really was a powerful secret society, *you* sure as hell would not know about it.

No average person would know about it.

[Desertrose]

51. How do you know he IS an *average person*?

why does everyone act like *they* know there is nothing to this??

[mobuto]

52. Uh

because I know people who have been in Skull and Bones, and I know people who are now in it. Its a frat.

[XanaDUer]

56. That's true...

This could just be another clever S&B strategy to deflect us from the real issues!

Truthfully, most progressives I have met (not all, but most) are everyday people who somehow came to the realization that the system is not in their favor. That is why they want to change it.

But one does not have to be cognizant of S&B to know the system is not geared towards the poor and disenfranchised.

:hi:

[Mairead]

89. "That is why they want to change it"

LC, could you possibly list for us--just one-liners would be fine--what exactly Kerry's committed to change, and how and by what amount he's planning to do it?

I'm feeling pretty seriously depressed by yesterday, and by what I think I know about today's Kerry. So if you can boost my spirits that would be wonderful. I'm sure others would welcome it, too!

[XanaDUer]

91. Hi.

I saw your post about boosting your spirits. Here is my answer: I am very sorry that DK did not win. He is the candidate closest to my heart ideologically. He actually is my dream candidate.

But, I am not sure if it is my job to list how Kerry plans to change things. I have listed a lot of stuff on this site, and I have decided not to do so anymore. I am not even sure I understand what you mean.

All Kerry can do, as any candidate can do, is work within the framework of our government. Certainly, simply reversing what Bush did will be change enough to begin with, if Kerry wins.

The fact that Kerry will be presenting to Congress a bill for universal health is one big reason I supported him.

If you want to research it yourself, you can go to johnkerry.com.

and read what is there may be the place to start. Anyone else can do the same , if they are concerned. Of course, if Kerry is not your preferred nominee, I fully believe not voting is as valid as voting for some people. Voting is a private matter in many ways.

Best of luck to you, and I hope you feel better.

LC

[Mairead]

99. No worries, LC. Thanks for responding, I do appreciate it (nt)

[seventhson]

63. I have relatives who were in Bones., Secrecy is part of the mystique

I also attended school with several and have been to their homes.

It is chillingly spooky.

The lists - as I put on another thread here, of names was leaked so we can see that the captains of industry and the heads of CIA dirty tricks operations were members.


Also - the men who financed Hitler from Yale were Skull members.

Plenty is known.

If I was not so close to these elites I would NOT be so concerned probably. But I know them.



But credible reporters and whistleblowers HAVE been able to get information out and


here is the best article I have found (most credible) on the subject):

http://www.guerrillanews.com/counter_intelligence/doc808.html

[OKNancy]

65. The list is not secret

It has been out there for a long time. I found the list several years ago and on the membership list are many fine liberals and even left radicals.

[PATRICK]

67. by light of that same article then

Which speaks of cliques within that elite fraternity, depending on other relationships and generations. It has been noted the marked contrast between W's cynical and war evading class and the traditional responsible warrior of Kerry's.

Since Kerry markedly departed from the status quo on Vietnam we are led by inference to believe has been waiting in stealth, performing enthusiastic and heroic tasks for liberal causes? His Bonesmates then and contacts since have been proven as evil as the supposedly malign Nader contacts in those formational college days?

Outside the mumbo jumbo of initiation, such warped cabalism extended into world domination destroys the rationality of human beings. Self interest and advancement, political philosophy and ambition are another matter. This is what you get from having these elite schools that in and of themselves are initiations into the privileged elites of the nation, moreso than from being a frat buddy. Bush himself hardly seems to take that society too seriously. Are they Masons? Are they card carrying members of other cult legends, puppets, stooges, plants? Bush looks out for number one and would sell out his buddies in a heart pause. Kerry pursues what is right for the people with similar unconcern.

If elitism is uncomfortably concentrated in a class and connection school system, that I would think is a legitimate issue. It is not unusual for the shapers of an entire generation to be so clustered and raised up whether they side with each other or not. One can support a Kennedy(an iffier moral proposition in hindsight) or a Kerry and still be determined to address that situation.

Judging from Kerry's life I think trying to infect his record with this poison is true paranoia, especially as it somehow let's W off the hook in some mysterious fashion and neglects that Kerry as a mole or fake liberal would entail a descent into the same insanity such a pretender must fall into.

And this is coming from an Edwards supporter who would like to see this elite stranglehold broken, the power of money democratized and whose candidate has also been subject to such fears the closer he got to nomination. I think another elitist(Republican dynasty) rich Dem President said something about fear itself.

[sistersofmercy]

81. If Bonesmen are so bad, why would you associate with them?

So you didn't get nominated for the society is this what your ranting is all about?

[shance]

83. Do you associate with your relatives?

n/t

[sistersofmercy]

85. Did you read his entire post?

He wrote that he went to college with some members and had been at their homes. Did you miss that part?

[Catherine Vincent]

43. Another DUer looking for insults.

First Diane and now you. Get a life.

[Mick Knox]

53. I find comfort in the Status Quo

Like a baby in the blanky..

Its when stuff gets muddled.. i get worried.

This is a good candidate.. and one that can win.

He IS a Party man.... and thats what we need to win IMO.

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[hedgetrimmer]

59. Optimal flacidity...

As the winds of climate change cross over the parched reef of the jobless and the homeless wonder from one corporate prison to another I will find myself, my family and my fellow citizen staring gape-faced into the "how the fuck did this happen" high of disbelief.

- Welcome, welcome my friend to the new DU where...
You step in line, shut up and sing the party song or the fellas gonna take you out back and beat the shit outta you. Then say fuck you and your anti-democrat rantings either come this way or get the fuck outta here.

Mnay blessings.

[Loonman]

62. Not this crap again

Dean never had a chance.

Get over it.

[seventhson]

64. I guess not - not against the Bonesmen

But now we need to retrench.

Regroup.

Revise.

Reenlist.

Redo.

We now have a new dawn ahead. And it looks pretty bleak to many of us.

How can we make it better?



I, for one, want Kerry to address this Bones business and say he renounces the oaths - and that they supercede his oaths of office.

[molly]

75. It is not an issue with anyone but you

[redqueen]

97. No, Native Americans probably would like to see Geronimo's skull

returned, with an apology.

[underpants]

68. I agree that is VERY sad

try again

[RobinA]

70. Oh, For Heaven's Sake

"when two members of the same corrupt secret society of bankers, politicians and spooks will, for the first time in history, be our only two choices for President."

Is this your first presidential election? It was always thus. We haven't had a true "outsider" as pres. since electricity was invented. If even before that. Get a grip and vote for the guy you think will make the best leader of the country. Or don't, and let others decide.

Clinton wasn't exactly without money men pulling his strings, and he was no stranger to Washington. He was wrong as often as he was right, and I say that as a fan of his. Politics. It's called compromise.

[seventhson]

76. It is the first time that it is a Skull Vs Skull presidential race

THAT is what I was saying

These men have taken an oath of secrecy and allegiance to the "Order". They also revealed their sexual histories to each other. This is a form of blackmail to "keep" the secrets secret.

It is vile and revolting.

It is not just compromise - it is corruption.

That said - I hope Kerry is a better human being than Bush. But that would not be saying much at all if he were.

[OKNancy]

72. OOOOOO a secret list

all over the internet...not secret

These are some members of S and B

Monty Burns of the Simpsons
Archibald MacLeish
John Hersey
William Sloan Coffin
gay, socialist literary critic F. O. Mathiessen
Potter Stewart

http://www.wealth4freedom.com/truth/3/skullroster.htm

http://www.ctrl.org/boodleboys/boodlemembersalpha.htm

[salin]

78. all compromised, I tell you, each last one of them!

{/sarcasm}

[JNelson6563]

73. Quit cryin' in your teacup & get over it

;-)

[molly]

74. OH - Please!

[salin]

77. Didn't I recall reading... just within the past couple of days

that after THAT thread, if Kerry won, you would let go of this stuff... at least until after the election where your strategy would be too keep his feet to the fire (in terms of... I dunno... not acting like a bonesman??)

:shrug:

[shance]

84. Seventhson, I am equally worried at the hatred and judgement coming from

this place called DU.

I feel like this must be Free Republic or something. I cannot understand why those who attack the ones being honest are allowed to get off scott free.

Im sorry your honest concern is met with such elementary schoolyard replies. Its not you. Its them.

[molly]

92. This is the history of the "hatred and judgement" coming

from certain posters......I said it in another post and I'll repeat myself here for the benefit of all.....

"the ones being honest" have always had a CAUSE - since I've been posting here - over 2 years - for whatever "cause" is popular with the people concerned. Some are just dissenters - happy to aggravate


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=427288&mesg_id=427558

[bigtree]

90. Who cares?

Any Democrat's agenda is better than any republican's. That goes for supporters too.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

93. Yep time for prayers...they beat the hell out of psychotic rants

[molly]

95. Nail on the head!