ok, someone please defend kerry's voting record here...

[DianeK]

now's your chance folks...

he SUPPORTED the patriot act..(now of course trys to talk on the other side of his mouth about that)

he SUPPORTED no child left behind (which leaves all average children behind...of course how would he know having been educated in an swedish boarding school?) now, of course he is dissing it..the vote counts, eh?

he ABSTAINED from the medicare vote...were you not paying attention? guess not.... call me crazy but this guy may as well be bush

[Dookus]

1. POOP!

Join the party! Don't be a party pooper!

:toast:

[DianeK]

8. OK

intelligent response there..i am sincerely asking you to convince me and basically you are telling me 'so what'?

[Dookus]

15. You don't want a serious answer

if you did, you could search the archives and find any of thousands of threads that deal with those questions.

You just want to whinge and bitch.

Don't be a party pooper! :toast:

[Blue_Roses]

51. For one

NO child left behind did not receive the support that it should have. This was initially started in Texas by Bush when he was governor and there were high hopes for it, but the bill has been "left behind." NO doubt it needs serious revision, but initially it wasn't a "bad" thing to vote on.

[Mick Knox]

2. YAAAAAWwwwwwnnnnnn

Come on DU.. hand down dem rules... this has been rehashed a million times on this mb..

Lets be done with it.

[Paragon]

3. OK, you're crazy

Way to poop on a great night for Kerry AND Dean. :eyes:

[kanrok]

4. Please....stop.

I cannot handle it anymore. Let's try and give it a rest.

[NNN0LHI]

5. Blah, blah, blah, blah, etc. It gets tiring n/t

[curse10]

6. Your guy had his chance

he blew it, quit spewing sour grapes all over the forum

[blm]

7. Then try STUDYING his lengthy record.

Kerry is the one lawmaker who investigated and exposed more government corruption than ANY lawmaker in modern history. THAT sounds like Bush to you?

www.johnkerry.com

[DianeK]

10. fine..

tell me...besides standing up against the viet nam war..educate me..that is exactly what i am asking you to do..convince me to vote for this guy

[curse10]

17. you've already decided

why should we have to spend our time convincing you? We shouldn't. Political decisions are personal. If you don't want to do the research that's your problem. I did my research on the candidates over a year ago.

Don't pawn your work off on other people. Either vote for Kerry or don't. Whatever.

[blm]

20. WAY more than just standing up to Nixon.

He investigated and exposed Reagan and Bush on BCCI, IranContra, CIA drugrunning and their illegal wars in Central America. Noone can come CLOSE to that.

He tried to get those bastards impeached, even when the rest of his party wanted him to back off.


http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20040315&s=corn

What's Right With Kerry
David Corn

In the heat of battle, with his campaign crumbling, Howard Dean lashed out at John Kerry. First, he called the leader in the Democratic presidential race a "Republican." Then he said, "When Senator Kerry's record is examined by the public at a more leisurely time...he's going to turn out to be just like George Bush."

Just like George Bush? It is true that Kerry, another Yalie and Skull and Bones alum, has voted in favor of NAFTA and other corporate-friendly trade pacts, that he once raised questions about affirmative action (while still supporting it), that he has, like almost every Democratic senator, accepted contributions from special-interest lobbyists (while being one of the few to eschew political action committee donations), that he voted to grant Bush the authority to invade Iraq. But this hardly makes him Bush lite. There is, as evidence, his nineteen-year Senate record, during which he has voted consistently in favor of abortion rights and environmental policies, opposed Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy, led the effort against drilling in the Alaskan wilderness, pushed for higher fuel economy standards, advocated boosting the minimum wage and pressed for global warming remedies. But what distinguishes Kerry's career are key moments when he displayed guts and took tough actions that few colleagues would imitate. One rap on Kerry is that he is overly cautious and conventional. He's no firebrand on the stump, nor does he come across as the most passionate and exciting force for change. But his history in Washington includes episodes in which he demonstrated a willingness to confront hard issues, to challenge power, to pursue values rather than political advantage, to take risks for the public interest.

Kerry arrived in the Senate in 1985. This Vietnam War hero turned antiwar leader had been lieutenant governor of Massachusetts. But he entered the body more as the prosecutor he had been in the late 1970s after graduating from Boston College law school. In early 1986 Kerry's office was contacted by a Vietnam vet who alleged that the support network for the CIA-backed Nicaraguan contras (who were fighting against the socialist Sandinistas in power) was linked to drug traffickers. Kerry doubted that the Reagan Administration, obsessed with supporting the contras, would investigate such charges. He pushed for a Senate inquiry and a year later, as chairman of a Foreign Relations subcommittee, obtained approval to conduct a probe.

It was not an easy ride. Reagan Justice Department officials sought to discredit and stymie his investigation. Republicans dismissed it. One anti-Kerry effort used falsified affidavits to make it seem his staff had bribed witnesses. The Democratic staff of the Senate Iran/contra committee--which showed little interest in the contra drug connection--often refused to cooperate. "They were fighting us tooth and nail," recalls Jack Blum, one of Kerry's investigators. "We had the White House and the CIA against us on one side and our colleagues in the Senate on the other. But Kerry told us, 'Keep going.' He didn't let this stuff faze him."
>>>>>

[bunk76]

21. Breraking news........George Bush ...

is elected president for the first time in 2004.Would that convince you to vote for the DEMOCRATIC nominee?

[ManneredChild]

9. ABB

Is ABB not enough to become the leader of the free world?

[DianeK]

12. not enough for me

[Mick Knox]

14. Honestly.. WHO CARES

youre only one friggin voter..

Dems will vote for Kerry.. and they will win the WH.

IF you REALLY like Dean, follow his advice and vote for kerry.

as has been pointed out.. this is NOT the deanocratunderground.com

[DianeK]

19. well if democracy means anything...

it must mean to shut up and fall in line..at least according to you

[Mick Knox]

23. Democracy sent deans ass home

get over it.

[Maddy McCall]

27. at the very least, the former.

:eyes:

[ManneredChild]

43. Nice

Real nice. Makes me warm all over.

[lancdem]

What about his thousands of other votes

in his long Senate career? As for the Patriot Act, 99 senators voted for that. It was after 9/11, for God's sake.

[DianeK]

13. that is enough for you?

my senators did not vote for it..that is pretty much unexceptable to me

[blm]

24. Only Feingold voted no.

So, what you claim, that your 2 Senators didn't vote for it, is impossible.

[DianeK]

32. look it up...

neither leahy or jeffords voted for that..

[Caution]

35. I just did

Senator Leahy voted YES USA PATRIOT Act.
http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?vote_id=3110&can_id=S0890103

Senator Jeffords voted YES USA PATRIOT Act.
http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?vote_id=3110&can_id=S0901103

Get your facts straight.

[Meshuga]

11. This thread is material for the Free Republic...

...message boards.

[Cuban_Liberal]

16. What part of 'Its over" DON'T you get?

You can post this bullshit until your fingers are bloody from typing, but IT'S OVER, DianeK!

[JHBowden]

18. Bush or Kerry

Which do you prefer? If Bush was never in office, we wouldn't have the bullshit he rammed through when he had a 90% approval rating.

[bhunt70]

22. one bullshit thread wasn't enough?

[bigtree]

25. Crazy

You said I could. :hi:

[Maddy McCall]

26. If you don't care enough about this election to educate yourself on the...

candidates, why in hell should you expect use to provide this information to you?

[bhunt70]

31. Hey Jchild...

:wave:

[Maddy McCall]

34. Hey bhunt!

:hi: :hug:

[Mick Knox]

28. hmmm whats the name of that bake at home pizza?

the one where the commercial has a firing squad... cant think of it..

[Renew Deal]

29. Whatever

No story now.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

30. Look it up your fucking self... you aren't interested in dialogue

you are soley interested in being snippy since you candidate who comes from a state smaller than half the fucking cities in my state couldn't win anything other than the voters in his state which is smaller than the cities in my state.

Really...pitiful

Kerry STILL has one of the most liberal voting records in spite of those three votes including the LAST three years.

http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/legislative/g_three_sections_with_teasers/legislative_home.htm

[Name removed]

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[bhunt70]

37. share some of yours?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

38. I'm not on meds...your posts in the matter speak for themselves

you have a lot of gall dismissing Kerry's entire record and experience over three votes.

He made CLEAR he intends to change the unworkable regulatory aspects of NCLB.

Every Senator except Feingold voted for the Patriot Act...except your candidate who had an EASY time defending his record since he didn't have to vote

and as far as IWR...if you are truly anti-war, I accept that but the vote would NOT have altered whether we went to war one single IOTA.

And BTW....this proves the sincerity of this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x422963

[Nicholas_J]

44. Kerry supported

The portions of the Patriot Act that Dean stated he would kee, so Dean didnt oppose the Patriot Act

Dean also supported the Biden Lugar Amendment to the Iraq Resolution which kept all of the Iraq Resolution and only changed it to allow Saddam Hussein to remain in power after a war.

So Dean also supported the IWR.

No matter how he later tried to spin it.

[Dookus]

39. lol

Let's see...

if it cost $45 million to win Vermont, it would take BILLIONS to win the GE.

Let's be fiscally conservative and go with the guy who's already beating Bush in the polls.

Don't be a party pooper!! :toast:

[Maddy McCall]

36. :highfive:

About time someone unleashed. :yourock:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

41. I can handle people who are disappointed...it's the fucking arrogance

that THEIR vote was the only informed vote in the matter that angers me.

[ManneredChild]

46. arrogance?

"a state smaller than half the fucking cities in my state" isn't arrogant?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

47. Are you chasing me around the board for a reason?

Yes...Vermont has 650,000 people...dean won approximately 65% of the Democratic party votes there and it was his only win....is that how we take the US?

[ManneredChild]

48. around the board?

I have only responded to you on this thread period. Why are you saying otherwise?

[ManneredChild]

45. a state smaller than half the fucking cities in my state

Way to take the high road. How does a state smaller than half the fucking cities in your state even rate your attention to such small details as democracy?

[Democat]

40. How about you defend Bush's record instead?

Let us know when you are ready to defend Bush's record.

Your choice is Bush or Kerry - do you prefer Bush?

[arwalden]

42. Oh Good Grief Sweet Jesus On A Stick... GIVE IT A REST, Diane.

We have been round and round and round and round on this. Nothing has changed. The facts have not changed. The arguments for and against have not changed. And apparently your mind has not been changed either.



-- Allen

[MurikanDemocrat]

49. Vote as you please. Spare us the bullshit.

[John_H]

50. Hmmmmmm. Could the "k" stand for Karl?

[mitchum]

53. No, it stands for karaoke...

and the machine is stuck

[corporatewhore]

52. defend nafta gatt wto trade w/china too