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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 02:55 PM
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Bill should be reminded HE won the South Carolina primary in 1992
yes, I'm still steaming over his comments about Jesse Jackson's wins in SC.

I feel particularly betrayed by Bill's nastiness this year since I've spent 15 years defending him against attacks from the right and the left.

I'm done defending him.

Done.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 02:57 PM
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1. I'm sure he's aware that he won it
His point was that winning the SC primary doesn't necessarily mean the nomination is secured. There's nothing racist about pointing that out.
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 03:19 PM
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8. well ya see. . .
it sounds racist when he goes back to 1984 ignoring, for instance, that Edwards won SC in 2004 or he won it in 1992. Picking 84 and 88 sounds...racist.

You are right that I'm sure he remembers. I should have said someone should remind AMERICA that Clinton won in 1992.

There is no one around who has defended the Clintons longer or louder than I have. I'm beginning, for the first time, to understand why people hate him/them.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 03:20 PM
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9. Oh ok... it was just "racially conscious?"
Not "racist," but "racial" or perhaps "race-oriented?" Lol...
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 03:25 PM
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11. And we'll have to see how Bill dances
Obama played DIRECTLY to a racial stereotype, and people thought it was cute. Clinton makes a valid comparison to a candidate who happened to be black, and he's racist.

It's insane how people wrap their minds around such contradictions.

Jackson was the better point because he won it TWICE. Edwards was a poor choice for comparison because he went on to become the VP nominee, AND he's in this race. If he HAD used Edwards as an example, people here would jump on him for that, saying he was attacking both nominees.

He can't win. You guys will attack anything and everything he does - I see no difference between what you folks do here and what the far right did in the 90s - it's attack, attack, attack - no matter what. IF he does X, attack. If he does the opposite of X, attack. It's rabid, it's sick, it's hurtful, it's stupid.
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Clarkansas Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 02:57 PM
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2. But Bill is white and blacks should only be compared to blacks
Obama is The Black Candidate, and should only be compared to other Black Candidates.
:sarcsam:
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 02:58 PM
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3. the logic? - there was an African-American (full or half) in the race in 92?
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 02:59 PM
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4. If anyone had any doubt about the Clintons playing the Race Card -
that parting shot from BC going out the door should make the Clintons' race-baiting politics crystal clear. That is not to say they themselves are racist; I don't believe that for a minute. Every single day the Clinton camp says something to remind us Obama is black. What I do believe and that which the Clintons have demonstrated is they are prepared to use every trick in the book, create wedge issues within the party, using everything Karl Rove used against them and then some to win. Ugh.
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 03:12 PM
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5. Dunno, seems as if Obama has said plenty about the fact that he is black...
seems like it was his supporters that kicked the race card first. And it really doesn't matter...seems obvious to all of us that we will have either a woman or a black man for president this time around. Ain't that great.

About time to blow the glass ceiling all the way apart.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 03:30 PM
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12. Race wasn't an issue and wasn't even mentioned until the Clintons started hammering it.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 03:23 PM
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10. I am so sad about this.
One thing about Clinton is that I have never believed that he was racist. And I still really don't. But he has definitely demonstrated that he had no problem with using race as a political tool in campaigning. And when it comes to Black people who have suffered so much from white supremacy in this country, that is despicable.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 03:31 PM
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13. Exactly.
" ... he had no problem with using race as a political tool in campaigning".

And I agree that while not inherently racist, the use of race as a political tool is despicable.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 03:13 PM
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6. How does winning SC primary help win the General Election?
When was the last time a Democrat won SC in the General Election?

Bill Clinton didn't.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 03:14 PM
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7. And also, Jackson didn't win it in 1984. He came in second, to uncommitted.
Plus, Jackson was born in South Carolina, Obama wasn't. And Jackson failed to win any white state, Obama won white Iowa and tied white New Hampshire.
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