Obama vote was 3.6 to 1 Black to white, Edwards 15 to 1 W to B, Hill 1.5 to 1 W to B - is Hill the

[papau]

one that attracts a balanced non-racially divisive response? Edwards and Hillary got about the same number of White votes - splitting the 75% that did not go to Obama. Edwards got only 2% of the black vote. Obama got between high 78% and 80% of the Black vote.

Perhaps it is Hillary that can brings us together?

interesting

[AX10]

1. kick

[joshcryer]

2. It splits by gender lines with Hillary, racial lines with Obama.

Edwards gets a lot of white votes. Really, the country is split the fuck apart. At least, SC is.

[AX10]

4. Perhaps SC does not determine what will happen...

on 2/5.

[saltpoint]

3. papau, we need to get you out of the building -- fast.

It's about to be stormed by multiple armies.

[papau]

5. LOL - It is a bad habit of mine - playing with numbers is what an actuary does!

[saltpoint]

8. Just the same, here -- put on this flame-retardant suit and we'll do the

best we can to spirit you to safety.

:hi:

[1corona4u]

20. LOL....

[CalebHayes]

6. no.

Add up the raw number of blacks and whites Barack got. Sure hill had a balanced number, but she got it out of a much smaller sample.

[ingac70]

7. Please. This IS South Carolina we are talking about....

Hardly a reflection of the US as a whole. There is going to be a bigger racial divide in a state like that. Let us not forget the white vote Obama managed to pull in Iowa.

[Windy]

14. with 55 percent. he got black and white votes... use some common sense please.

Of course, the clinton camp wants to keep this racial war going because they think it helps them...

[papau]

24. Obama got 25% of the White vote - both Edwards and Hillary each got 50% more than Obama - it is a

landslide win and congrats to Obama - and I am just looking at the implications of the exit poll numbers - but I do find it interesting

[Tulkas]

9. Got Iowa Numbers somewhere? You Know,,,,98% white state and Hillary finishes THIRD

[ingac70]

12. The Hillbots want to forget that one.. n/t.

[alcibiades_mystery]

10. LOL

The most twisted use of numbers I've ever seen.

She lost 80% of the black vote, for Christ's sake. How you spin that into praise for her diverse constituency is just amazing and lovable.

[angie_love]

13. ha!!!!

LOL, I was just about to say the same thing. How does the OP spin a 80% loss of black vote into her being a candidate of unity? Funniest thing I've read all night

[papau]

21. :-) A state split evenly between black and white (well 55/45 in the primary)- and only Hill's vote

is even close to B/W ratio in the state.

[Auntie Bush]

11. Now wouldn't that be an interesting and surprising scenario?

[1corona4u]

15. I don't know, but I'm really proud of all the blacks that

stood firm for both John and Hillary. That took a lot of courage, and integrity.

[Muttocracy]

23. I'm not sure what that means?

if they voted for Obama do they lack courage and/or integrity? Is it more courageous to vote for someone other than your own race?

I am proud of anyone who voted based on issues regardless of skin and sex organs.

[papau]

25. Well said

[1corona4u]

27. Oh come on...

you know as well as I do that a lot of the blacks voted because of 'racial pride' thing, nothing more. I personally respect the people who did NOT vote because of that. It's a shallow reason, and may just be a hollow victory.

I'm almost to the point where I say; fuck it. Let him get elected, so we can watch him crash and burn. Because he will. Maybe then people will see what the rest of us saw from the start; nothing.

[Muttocracy]

36. I agree voting for race alone would be bad

I don't assume that all blacks who voted for Obama voted because of it, and I'm not "proud" of blacks who voted for Clinton or Edwards just because they voted for the non-black. If the voted for C or E because they liked Clinton's or Edward's positions on issues, great.

[1corona4u]

38. Obviously some did just that, and that's what I'm saying....

You missed my point. I said I was proud that they stood firm. Meaning, there were concrete reasons they had chosen those candidates, and nothing swayed them. That's why I am proud of them.

There was a story in the paper today, about a black woman,(Haitian) who was torn between Obama and Hillary. She was going back and forth in the car on the way to the polling place...... Well, here read it, but that's what I'm saying. She went with the issues that were important to her, which is the way it should be, not by race.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/breaking_dade/story/394171.html

[Muttocracy]

41. ok, I think the words courage and integrity just came across wrong to me

Maybe that just came across a bit harsh to me, as though none of them voted for Obama based on issues. Maybe it was just less obvious to me that they "did just that" but maybe I'm being naive. It was probably, as the poster below says, a bit of both.

[EffieBlack]

28. Black people and women have been voting "regardless of skin and sex organs" for quite awhile

It's beem white men who have been consistently voting for people who look like them.

Why is it that, now, the first time that a woman and a black candidate are viable players, we are now being told that it is somehow aberrant, unconscionable and even racist for US to vote for someone who looks like us and if we do, it must mean we aren't voting based on issues? White men have been voting for other white men for centuries. Have THEY been voting based on skin and sex organs?

[Muttocracy]

35. maybe what I said didn't come across how I meant it

I'm saying I don't like the whole premise of people voting based on race or sex, or the premise that you can take voting results and assume that blacks voted for Obama *because* of his race, anymore than you can say whites voted for Clinton or Edwards because they voted for a white person (or against the black guy). I don't give anyone bonus points for voting "for" or "against" their own race. What makes me "proud" is when people analyze candidates based on issues, which may or may not make their vote align with the race or sex this time around.

I think we agree but I'm not explaining it very well.

[EffieBlack]

37. I think people can do both

Black voters are very savvy and very discerning. We vote on the issues. But when you have to choose between two candidates who are both very good, are great on all or most of the issues we care about, and would both be excellent presidents, we - like most voters - look to other, intangible "tiebreakers." Which one do I most identify with, which one better understands people like me, etc. And, no matter people try to shake it, for a black voter making such a choice, the fact that one of the candidates is black is a rational, logical consideration. Not just because their skin looks like ours, but for all manner of reasons, including what having a black president could say to the world.

(if it were all about race, Al Sharpton would have done much better in the South Carolina primary in 2004 and Alan Keyes would be more than just a joke)

So, while black voters vote on the issues, the fact that a candidate is excellent on the issues AND black does make a difference. The same thing applies to women candidates and women voters - a candidate's gender isn't the sole reasons women vote for her, but it could be the tipping point. And there's nothing wrong with that at all.

[1corona4u]

39. The difference this time is, Obama is not like Sharpton, or Jackson...

and obviously has a chance. That's the difference.

I'd like to address your post above, but I need more facts, but off the top of my head, it would seem blacks were voting for white presidents too....I just don't know nationwide, what the numbers are for white/black voters. I doubt it has ever been about race before though.

[Fredda Weinberg]

16. Do you have the numbers by gender, please? n/t

[papau]

29. O got 55% of both M & F, Clinton 23% of M & 30% of F, E was 23/16 M/F

39% male, 61% female split of total vote.

a little over 530k total votes cast.

There does not appear to be a war of the sexes going on.

[Fredda Weinberg]

31. I was curious how African American females broke. Thanks n/t

[papau]

34. African American females voted exactly the same as African American males - 80% for Obama

[Fredda Weinberg]

40. Much obliged. n/t

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

17. Obama/Clinton/Edwards in '08!!!

It's a threefer! We'll get ALL the votes!

[Muttocracy]

18. to assess this, I need to know the % of black, white, and other citizens and democrats in SC? n/t

[papau]

30. 55% of the 530k votes were cast by blacks, 61% of the total were cast by women

[Muttocracy]

33. thanks n/t

[KittyWampus]

19. Factor in Clintons losing Iowa and Obama splitting NH (he got RURAL votes)

[Proud2BAmurkin]

22. Interesting

[Tulkas]

26. This Is The Largest Margin Of Victory In a S.C. Dem Primary In History

Try to belittle it all you want. She lost and she lost badly. More than 2-1.

[papau]

32. Jesse Jackson won a caucus - not primaries - in 84/88 - so a comparison can't be made

[ShortnFiery]

42. "Perhaps it is Hillary that can brings us together?"

NO WAY!

Everything that surrounds The Bush and The Clinton families is *TOXIC.*

It's time to wrest "the old guard" out of the political ruling class. :thumbsdown:

[Mojorabbit]

43. Can you break it down by age?

I thought I read somewhere Hillary got the over 65 people and Obama had a larger age range. I'd love to see the numbers if you have them.

[papau]

45. Obama won majority of white voters under age 30

[Mojorabbit]

47. Thanks! eom

[BenDavid]

44. obama won south carolina......What did he win? Really.....

Will obama and the media be able to swiftboat the clintons again in any of the 2/5 states?

[papau]

46. Kurtz on Reliable sources today suggested CW would be it's a rejection of Bill Chlinton