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_Jumper_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 08:18 PM
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Why don't we let Iowa alone pick the president?
Edited on Tue Mar-02-04 08:18 PM by _Jumper_
We let it pick our nominee...
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 08:19 PM
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1. Deep.
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_Jumper_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 08:20 PM
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3. Iowa
I need approval from Iowa to write further.
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InhaleToTheChief Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 08:20 PM
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2. Well said!
What a bunch of crap the primary system is. A tiny state like Iowa, with the population of my very rural county, weilds so much influence via their wacky, arguably archaic caucus system???

If we had all voted in primaries on the same day, we would be looking at a different picture right now.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 08:20 PM
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4. You do know that Clinton lost Iowa....??
Edited on Tue Mar-02-04 08:22 PM by trumad
AND..the guy in your Pic didn't even run there....
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_Jumper_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 08:22 PM
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6. 2004
Kerry was dead--at 7% nationally--and he won Iowa and soared to 29% and then skyrockted to 49% after NH. Obviously, this wasn't because they liked his policies. We had a bunch of people voting for who the media hyped plain and simple. Those people deserve Bush...
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 08:23 PM
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7. Then Clark should have gotten in earlier
and ran in the damn state.... You're sounding like Sour Grapes...
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Alex146 Donating Member (556 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 08:55 PM
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20. he's right
Iowa has waaaay too much say in who is nominated.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 07:45 PM
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27. Hold on there...
Clinton didn't run in Iowa in 1992 because Tom Harkin (Iowa Senator) was running and would win hands down (which he did) - smart move on Clinton's part. You can't use that race to guage success outside of Iowa....after all, Gephardt won here in 1988, how'd he fair???
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Catch22Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 08:20 PM
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5. Don't bogart that joint, my friend
Seriously? Clinton did horribly in Iowa.
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Monte Carlo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 08:24 PM
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8. Iowa alone did not pick the nominee.
I don't think the voters of the nation don't appreciate being thought of as machines.
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_Jumper_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 08:36 PM
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16. Ok, NH played a major role too
7% to 49% in two weeks? Do you honestly think that happened because they liked his viewpoints or because the flock followed the media hype?
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Monte Carlo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 08:24 PM
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9. Iowa alone did not pick the nominee.
I don't think the voters of the nation don't appreciate being thought of as machines.
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Monte Carlo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 08:25 PM
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10. please delete
double clicked...
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foo_bar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 07:53 PM
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30. also double negative
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leyton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 08:26 PM
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11. Yeah, it has nothing to do with the strength of candidate Kerry.
Sheesh. *rolleyes*
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JHBowden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 08:26 PM
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12. Kerry won more than one primary.
A lot more.
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_Jumper_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 08:35 PM
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15. Why?
People merely followed what Iowa did.
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JHBowden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 08:56 PM
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21. How do you know this?
Perhaps people thought Kerry was the best candidate.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 10:26 PM
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33. Then they pulled some all-nighters since this poll

last week- unless you just meant Iowa voters :shrug:

WASHINGTON -- Just over a third of voters who plan to vote Tuesday say they know enough about the candidates to make an informed choice in the Democratic presidential race.

That's about the same level of awareness as voters in the 21 states that vote later in the year, according to a National Annenberg Election Survey released Friday.

Adam Clymer, political director of the survey, said the poll findings suggest the campaign has had little impact on the voters in those 10 states holding contests Tuesday. But he said knowledge of the campaign is generally higher among voters around the country than it was a month ago.

People were generally more familiar with Democratic front-runner John Kerry's history than they were with John Edwards, his strongest challenger.

http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/wire/...itics-headlines
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 08:33 PM
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13. well I guess it would save some time
but I'm honestly beginning to think that regional primaries would be a better answer. Having one or two states (Ia/NH) which are not really demographically representative of this country pretty much set the pace and momentum is not the best idea, imo.
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_Jumper_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 08:39 PM
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18. They are the ideal
We likely would have multiple winners if we had regional primaries at the beginning and we wouldn't have people flocking to one candidate like we did this year.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 08:35 PM
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14. Its kinda hard to argue with what you say
since you likely would not say it if you were not convinced it were true.

Its a shame you don't give so many people more credit. Then, that's your opinion.
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mlawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 08:37 PM
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17. How many of you didn't get to vote in a primary / caucus??
Thanks to the morans of the NC Dem party, our primary is in May!! Who the HELL will care, then???

:argh:
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DU9598 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 08:48 PM
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19. Thanks
We appreciate you all following our lead. I was an Edwards fan and his sign is still in my front yard. But, I took two Kerry signs from the caucus and they will be going up in the front yard tomorrow.

Congrats to John Kerry, you earned this nomination. You ran a great campaign and I am sending a check in to your website tonight.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 06:29 PM
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22. Unfortunately for you that's because Democrats have given
John Kerry a strong and obvious mandate that we want him to be our candidate in November. Under the cricmstances that we've lived with for the past 3 years, I think it's great that we have unified around a great progressive candidate that will provide a credible alternaive to the unelected fraud stumbling around in the WH now.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 07:01 PM
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25. ours has always been in may
my biggest concern is apathy... instead of energy that is important going into the GE... and while it is unlikey that Indiana goes Dem at the top of the ticket (even with Bayh... for those silly nonhoosiers who think otherwise)... the energy is important to keep the Governorship (please.. no "My Man Mitch"!)... to keep the state House of Reps (only a 2 seat margin)... and to try to narrow the significant state senate margin. Presidential generals often get more energy, and that can be tapped into to get folks involved in other races. Always lower energy in May... but now it will be TWO MONTHS after the candidate was determined. I am very concerned about the impact this will have on our state wide elections.
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zoeyfong Donating Member (508 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 10:21 PM
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32. Me. Guess i don't need to bother not jumping on the kerry bandwagon.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 06:57 PM
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23. Think of how much time and money could be saved
if we just got rid of democracy!
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 06:58 PM
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24. Nah. Let the DLC choose one for us!
It's so much simpler!
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dolstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 07:23 PM
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26. Actually, New Hampshire and Howard Dean's scream picked our nominee
The fact is that if South Carolina had followed Iowa instead of New Hampshire, things could have been very different. In addition, Howard Dean's campaign meltdown took a lot of attention away from Edwards, who finished a close second to Kerry in Iowa.

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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 07:48 PM
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28. Agreed.
Edwards got the shaft on what should have been an Iowa 'bounce'

(needless to say, I supported Dean and could have done w/out the scream footage for the next week!)
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 07:51 PM
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29. Where else
can a candidate run for so little money?

There are less than 3 million people in the state and the state isn't all that big.

Imagine the expense of trying to run in New York/California/Florida?

Plus, the Iowa victor is not always the nominee.

(However, if we had let Iowa choose our President in 2000 - Al Gore would have won by 2000 votes solid - and all 7 electoral votes were recorded for Gore - got newspaper clips to prove it).

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zoeyfong Donating Member (508 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 10:15 PM
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31. Yes; we might as well vote for the Prez over several months.
Or start releasing exit polls at 9am. The bandwagon factor is a well-known reality; it should be law that all primaries take place on the same day, just like the presidential election.
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arewethereyet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 10:26 PM
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34. oh dont be silly, the DNC revived Kerry
Iowa were just the first to do their part. And its so easy there since you can truck in caucus goers.
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