This shouldn't about making history. It should be about restoring America.

[AndyA]

And that's why I'm sticking with John Edwards!

Yeah, it would be great to have a woman President.

It would also be great to have a black President. Or an Asian President. Or a Native American President. Or a gay President.

We're overdue to break the white male mold we've been stuck with since inception.

But it's more important to me that we restore our reputation in the world, end the war and get our troops home, provide health care to those who need it and can't afford it, and correct some of the horrors the Bush years have forced upon us.

I think it's more important to fix our aging and failing infrastructure, protect our ports, provide incentives to businesses to create jobs here instead of sending them overseas, and remove the tax breaks for going offshore.

We need to put an end to the spying, and break the strings that corporations have over our government.

The list is much longer than I will include here, but it's more important to me that we have someone who can beat the Republicans in the general election than it is for us to make history at this point in time.

[Bicoastal]

1. I hear what you're saying...

....but I'm not voting for Obama because he's black. And one of the reasons why I AM voting for him is because I think he wants many of the same things for America that John does.

[stravu9]

2. I'm Sticking

But I fear for this Party I am not encouraged by the wisdom I've seen lately .

[FrenchieCat]

3. Restoring America to what?

[AndyA]

5. Are you serious?

:eyes:

[noamnety]

23. I had the same question

(It never was America to me.)

[sandnsea]

4. Obama is best able to do that

You have to make people want to follow you before you can go anywhere.

[kurth]

6. I believe the GOP is standing by to follow his orders

[AndyA]

8. The GOP is standing by to take Obama down.

The Rezko issue is a growing concern.

There are more donations than have been disclosed, and there is evidence that the two men are much closer than Barack would like us to believe, their wives are good friends, etc. The relationship is more than just casual.

That could turn out to be a very big problem.

[AndyA]

7. It takes more than blind faith.

And I think you are seriously underestimating John Edwards' supporters.

[sandnsea]

15. Honesty, Perseverance, Respect

Like this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4200916&mesg_id=4206925

[AndyA]

18. You mean honesty, perserverance, and respect AS LONG AS YOU'RE NOT GAY.

Because Barack hates gays. His support of Donnie McClurkin proves that.

And what about the poor people who lived in Barack's district in one of Rezko's ghettos that didn't have heat one winter? Rezko didn't pay the bill, but managed somehow to donate $1,000 to Barack about the same time.

How far would that $1,000 have gone in getting the heat turned back on? And what did Barack do about it? Not much, from what I've heard.

I'll pass on Barack's version of honesty, perserverance, and respect. I got that from George Bush. No thanks.

[sandnsea]

19. Right.

The McClurkin outrage is the biggest bunch of faux bullshit that's ever burned up this board.

Barack Obama is not responsible for somebody else's apartment building.

Don't talk to me if you all you have is cut and paste talking points.

[AndyA]

25. The McClurkin outrage is far from faux bullshit.

It proves Barack says one thing and does another. He has insulted an entire group of people.

Barack didn't look after the people in his district. He had a responsibility to the people in that building.

These are far from cut and paste talking points. Put the Kool-Aid down and look at the facts. The Rezko issue is not going away. It will continue to grow as the trial looms ahead. Barack has some explaining to do.

[sandnsea]

27. He already has

He clearly is not going to play cut up the pie politics. He will go to churches and he will tell them to stop being homophobes. He will go to the gay community and tell them it will take time to change church people. But we all live in the same country. He issued a statement condemning homophobia and if that isn't good enough for you, tough shit.

If Obama was involved in some nefarious dealings for Rezko, he didn't do a very good job because the city of Chicago went after him 2 weeks after he donated to Obama and made him get the heat on. The entire situation has been investigated by the media and the federal govt. There is no wrong-doing.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-obama-rezko-clinton-080122,0,5430503.story?page=2&coll=chi_tab01_layout

[AndyA]

28. No that's not good enough for me, and it won't be for many others, either.

Barack is a hypocrite and a bigot, just like George Bush, and there is no excuse for that today. As a black man, he should be more sensitive to things like this.

And to tell someone tough shit to a legitimate concern shows your ability for compassion and understanding is about that of your candidate: non-existant and unacceptable. I won't say you're an asshole. Really, I won't. :eyes:

[Steely_Dan]

14. Uh...Okay

I'll accept that. Now can you tell me where he's taking us. I'd just like to know.

-P

[sandnsea]

17. He told you tonight

But this is where he took Illinois
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet90/sponsor/OBAMA.html

and this is how he did it.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4200916&mesg_id=4206925

[1corona4u]

20. I don't want to 'follow him'

and I'm sure I'm not alone...

[sandnsea]

21. To be honest,

I don't want you to anyway.

[1corona4u]

24. Great. Simpatico.

I'm not open to brainwashing.

[ecstatic]

9. We can make history and restore America nt

[AndyA]

13. You can't if you can't make it to the White House.

You have to beat the Republicans in the general, and Edwards is the only Dem candidate that consistently beats every Republican, and this goes back more than six months.

[michaz]

10. This is about restoring America. It just happens to also be history in the making!

It would not be great to have a woman president or a black president if either one was not for restoring America!

[Colobo]

11. Barack Obama is the man that will restore America.

[Steely_Dan]

12. Geeze,...

How many times did I make this exact post? I've lost count. As far as I'm concerned, this era is the most critical in our history. I wish we were less driven to make presidential history and more determined to restore this country.

Ah, but no. The critical issues of our time are lost in the emotions of the moment. Apparently there is no time to talk about what specifically needs to be done. We only have time to talk about the superficial...to only speak in platitudes.

Change? Guess what? It matters not who takes the Oval Office...THERE WILL BE CHANGE. That's the whole idea? Sorta makes this political bumper sticker ring hollow.

I feel sad for this country.

-P

[zalinda]

16. You and me both n/t

[blues90]

22. What is truely disturbing is how stupid and easily swayed people can

Be . I could care less about making history ,words distorted and jotted down in some damn history book of stored away on some CD when the schools of the future and present will not read it .

I have heard many great speeches silenced by a gun but yet we still have the damn guns . We still have the damn war machine and the poor and the sick .

A speech or a dress or fancy suit is not going to save the people .

We are where we are right now because people are stupid and un-informed and allow the damn TV set to decide for them in every possible way , right down to the underware they buy .

People go by numbers and scores and polls as if this is some basketball game .

No we got to have the super star , the rock star , the speaker .

None of this means a damn thing and that's the sad part .

When I see the changes I will believe it and not a second before that .

What , people seem to think they can just cast their vote , hope it's counted and sit back and everything will be just fucking damn fine , if so you are a fool .

[alarimer]

26. I feel the same way.

And it's the media's fault. They are the ones not talking about the issues. They are the ones most interested in the horse race and not the facts. And the American people, because they are so stupid, they swallow it all as if this was American Idol.

Why don't we just choose our leaders on American Idol anyway, since that shit is all the stupid people listen to anyway?