Yawn at Obama's speech

[NJSecularist]

Same old platitudes and rhetoric he's used all year.

[MethuenProgressive]

1. G'town 58 WVU 57. Is Obama on TV?

:hi:

[NJSecularist]

8. Are you a GTown graduate?

I went to WVU for a few years. I'm really pissed right now (at the WVU loss).

[journalist3072]

2. What did you expect? He has no real ideas or solutions. He just HOPES that we don't notice. e om

[Bright Eyes]

6. Educate yourself.

http://obama.senate.gov/issues/

[jpgray]

9. A moderate platform, which is fearful of change. Anything else?

[Bright Eyes]

22. How so? Please be specific!

[jpgray]

26. Sure. No quick withdrawal from Iraq, no universal health care, no gay marriage

Want more?

[Bright Eyes]

47. Ok.

Obama on Health care:

Obama's Plan to Cover Uninsured Americans: Obama will make available a new national health plan to all Americans, including the self-employed and small businesses, to buy affordable health coverage that is similar to the plan available to members of Congress. The Obama plan will have the following features:
Guaranteed eligibility. No American will be turned away from any insurance plan because of illness or pre-existing conditions.
Comprehensive benefits. The benefit package will be similar to that offered through Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP), the plan members of Congress have. The plan will cover all essential medical services, including preventive, maternity and mental health care.
Affordable premiums, co-pays and deductibles.
Subsidies. Individuals and families who do not qualify for Medicaid or SCHIP but still need financial assistance will receive an income-related federal subsidy to buy into the new public plan or purchase a private health care plan.
Simplified paperwork and reined in health costs.
Easy enrollment. The new public plan will be simple to enroll in and provide ready access to coverage.
Portability and choice. Participants in the new public plan and the National Health Insurance Exchange (see below) will be able to move from job to job without changing or jeopardizing their health care coverage.
Quality and efficiency. Participating insurance companies in the new public program will be required to report data to ensure that standards for quality, health information technology and administration are being met.
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No UHC plan? BS.

Next; Gay marriage.

Barack Obama in the United States Senate: Every two years the Human Rights Campaign, the largest national gay and lesbian organization, issues a scorecard for members of the Senate based on their sponsorship and voting on key issues of importance to gay and lesbian citizens. Barack Obama scored 89 out of 100% in the 2006 scorecard.
http://lesbianlife.about.com/od/lesbianactivism/p/BarackObama.htm
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No gay marriage? BS

Next; no quick withdraw from Iraq

Hillary Clinton also refused to promise to withdraw by 2013; Edwards is the only one who has.

Anything else?

[jpgray]

51. You failed to answer any of those points.

How is his health care plan universal?

Have you read any of his statements on gay marriage? Obama does not endorse gay marriage (despite the fact that his church, the UCC, does). He believes "marriage" is between a man and a woman.

How is his matching of Hillary's stance on Iraq evidence of "change?" In fact, he more or less matches Hillary on all these major issues, except that his health care plan is not universal. Hillary's is not that great either, but still--Barack is supposed to represent "change," and all I see is a moderate platform.

[Bright Eyes]

55. ...

Gay Marriage;

"Clinton opposes gay marriage but supports civil unions between members of the same sex. During her husband's administration, she supported the Defense of Marriage Act, a law preventing the federal recognition of same-sex marriage."
http://lesbianlife.about.com/od/lesbianactivism/p/HillaryClinton.htm

"Obama said he would support civil unions between gay and lesbian couples, as well as letting individual states determine if marriage between gay and lesbian couples should be legalized."

He supports civil unions, as does Clinton.
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As for Iraq, I agree with you. Neither are all that different, but are definitely better then what we have now.
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As for health care,
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/

You need to read the whole thing. His plan is outlined completely. I'd certainly like Edwards' plan more, but it's extremely doubtful he'll win.

Obama isn't my first choice, but I'll take him over Clinton any day of the week.

PS. I'm very tired, so excuse any grammatical errors I missed.

[journalist3072]

48. I'm very educated, thank you...and it's precisely because I am, that I am not being fooled by Obama.

[Bright Eyes]

49. How is he fooling people?

I'd really like to know. :)

Obama isn't my first choice, but if you think Obama is fooling you, what makes you think Senator Clinton isn't?

EDIT for slopping typing

[Nedsdag]

50. journalist3072 is a delusional woman.

She is so dedicated to taking Barack Obama down, she'll go after him personally.

She refuses to vote for Obama because her idol, Tom Joyner, is a supporter.

[SammyWinstonJack]

10. When one feels entitled, what should be expected?

:shrug: He is one heck of an ego trip!

[KittyWampus]

23. this post proves your thread about him only winning SC cause he's black is bullshit.

sorry to be harsh. But the fact is, Obama's got an entire website of his policy positions.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

3. I expected something good for the last ditch effort

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

4. Man, there's a whole lot of this going on tonight.

[robbedvoter]

12. and half of it comes from the winners!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4216621&mesg_id=4216621

[cboy4]

18. Why don't you enjoy your win instread of spending your

night trolling for anti-Obama posts?

Hmmm?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

34. I'm an Edwards supporter.

I could go all sour grapey, too, because my candidate didn't do as well as I'd hoped; but I didn't. I'm giving Obama credit for his victory instead of trying to piss on his supporters' campfire. I just wish people would stop snarking at a legitimate (and spectacular) win just because their candidate didn't win.

[Adelante]

41. No, you couldn't go all sour grapey

You have too much generosity of spirit.

[cboy4]

45. Well let it go. Let people grieve and get it out of their

system.

Your sun will still come up tomorrow.

Some people deal with losing better than others. Who cares?

[Olney Blue]

5. Personally, I love this speech.

[Joe the Revelator]

7. This is a great speech

Sorry you have your ears plugged with sour grapes.

[MonkeyFunk]

11. Why do people have to be like this?

It's a good speech - it's a victory speech: they're not known for soaring rhetoric.

why does everybody have to shit on everybody else?

[Adelante]

39. I thought it was a good speech

The guy's exhausted. I hope he gets some sleep.

[Occam Bandage]

13. This kind of OP is disgusting.

[jpgray]

20. Boredom with Obama is disgusting? Feel free to call me a disgusting individual

[Occam Bandage]

21. No, sour-grapes pissing is.

[jpgray]

33. "Yawn" is disgusting? That's the most milk-safe "sour-grapes pissing" I've ever heard.

And they -are- they same platitudes he's used all year. Is there criticism of this speech you would accept as valid? Or is it all necessarily sour-grapes pissing?

[Occam Bandage]

37. Sure. Actual criticism. "Yawn" is not criticism; it's disdain. And this was a much tougher speech

than he's given so far.

[jpgray]

46. Disdain for Obama seems a perfectly valid topic for discussion

Disdain for the Clintons has ruled the day here many times, for example. I assume you weighed in on those threads, deploring their disgusting qualities? :D

Maybe it's because I don't support either Clinton or Obama that I don't see much that is uniquely disgusting to this thread.

[NJSecularist]

24. Sorry, I'm entitled to my opinion

And I like Obama. I just think his speeches are the same over and over again.

[Occam Bandage]

28. Not at all. This speech was defiant; his IA was practically starry-eyed.

[goodgd_yall]

30. There was another thread for the cheerleaders

This one is for people a bit tired of Obama.

[krabigirl]

62. Why? Why can't people be bored by Obama?

[Freida5]

14. Keith O analysis focuses immediately on the speech's attacks on Clinton.

[Freida5]

17. CNN was a fairer

[More Than A Feeling]

15. Eh, his rhetoric is growing on me, even as I remember

that he is not always above the politics-as-usual that he decries, and that in some ways his platform is worse that Clinton's and Edwards'.

[goodgd_yall]

16. That's what I thought

I didn't think it was that great a speech this time. Maybe they're starting to sound trite after listening to him so many times.

[Ellen Forradalom]

19. This isn't exactly the moment for policy wonking

It's supposed to be stirring.

[adapa]

38. unfortunitly policy wonking matters

[Ellen Forradalom]

42. Yes it does

But at the proper moment. This was a Onwards! speech.

[Kucinich4America]

25. I liked the speech myself

If Obama the senator actually did the things that Obama the orator said, I'd probably be supporting him.

[Freida5]

27. Morning Joe is pushing Obama a the Republican's choice for President

[VotesForWomen]

58. well, joe HATES the clintons, so i'm not sure who he thinks should 'really' be the dem nom.

[Catchawave]

29. I switched to Figure Skating 1

Nobama for me.

[Auntie Bush]

31. It's not a speech...It's a sermon!

[Blue_In_AK]

54. That was my husband's comment.

[Auntie Bush]

63. Mine two. I really do like Obama and think he's probably make a good president even though I'd much

rather have Hillary. But the thoughts of having to listen to preacher like speeches for the next 8 years won't make him endearing to my heart. I wish he'd just talk normally.

[VotesForWomen]

61. i think you encapsulated what i don't like about obama; he's all preachy with no substance. nt

[stray cat]

32. Its new for most people.....repetition is key for teaching

[hulklogan]

35. He managed to mention every group being played against each other in this election

except the straight community and the GLBT community. What is he afraid of?

[speedoo]

36. 55% vs. 27%.

Yawn at that. You and the Clintons are obviously out of touch with a whole lot of people today.

[totodeinhere]

40. His speech brought tears to my eyes.

[alcibiades_mystery]

43. Whistling past the graveyard

:rofl:

[Binka]

56. Oh You Incorrigible Little Shit

How is the little one? Apple of daddies eye I'll bet. They do grow on you. I love my little chip more than life. Is the wife getting some sleep these days?

Here is the grand beauty on Christmas.

[Auntie Bush]

65. What a beautiful child!

My dog's name is Chip. lol

[Binka]

67. Thanks Auntie & She Is Kind And Good Hearted Too

My boo-boo oh shit I am 42 child. I thought all that was waaaay behind me when I found I was pregnant with her. She keeps me young and on the go. She is a beautiful soul I am so glad I have her in my life.

[Auntie Bush]

68. Seems like I remember going through your pregnancy here on DU

several years ago. My how time flies! I think I was expecting a grandchild around the same time. Or maybe my memory ain't so good.

[alcibiades_mystery]

44. Whistling past the graveyard

:rofl:

[AgadorSparticus]

52. well....the speech I heard from Obama tonight was truly AMAZING!

[Blue_In_AK]

53. Obama gives good speech.

I'll give him that.

[graywarrior]

57. Jan 10,

nuff said

[Tweed]

59. I suggest getting your ears checked then

[krabigirl]

60. Yep. I really listened for something to grab me, but nothing did.

His arrogance turns me off.

[angie_love]

64. uh huh

It was an amazing speech. If his speech made you yawn, than I'd imagine Hillary's speech straight up puts you in a coma!

[annie1]

66. interesting. i was hoping to see it, but it sounds like it was just same old. thanks