Why does Hillary insist on trying to move the goalposts everytime she's pinned back?

[Joe the Revelator]

First it was in Nevada after she failed to get the union endorsement she coveted

Now, because she can't win delegates in contested elections, she's desperate enough to abandon her pledge and backstab the DNC in order to once again change the rules in Michigan and Florida.

She'll really say or do anything to make sure she gets her turn.

[Joe the Revelator]

1. and more importantly why do some of us support some one who has to cheat in order to have a chance

at winning?

[DJ13]

4. A large portion of the Hillary supporters think that.....

......the only way to beat the Republicans is by acting like Republicans.

I dont think they understand how their hatred of the GOP has corrupted them into being no better than the GOP.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

18. very well put.

I suspect the majority hates what america has become, in some ways.

[BringBigDogBack]

35. beautiful

[Clintonista2]

2. Yawn. Your anti-Clinton OPs used to be interesting,,,

Now you just pointlessly grasp for straws.

[Joe the Revelator]

6. She makes it to easy.

If I had to make stuff up, then it would be more interesting. Now that everyone can see through her bullshit, I'm just posting what everyone not brainwashed is thinking.

[Skidmore]

3. Because she's a uniter not a divider.

[BringBigDogBack]

36. lmao

[rox63]

5. The Clinton branch of the party despises the Dean branch that currently runs the DNC

Dean put his foot down on principle regarding FL and MI. The Clintons (through surrogates) tried to get Dean removed as chair of the DNC.

[LSparkle]

15. Yup -- it's the DEMOCRATIC Party, not the CLINTON Party!

Dean's election as chair was the best thing to happen to the party in a decade and now the Clintons want to undo that to advance their own power.

[Joe the Revelator]

33. Thats all they are interested in: Advancing their own power.

[suston96]

7. What goalposts? It's about Democrats and their primary voting rights.

All the candidates had better demand that Michigan and Florida delegates be recognized and seated at the convention.

What a disgraceful undemocratic posture by the world's leading democracy! Yeah, right!

[Joe the Revelator]

12. Remember, Hillary was the one that said Florida "didn't count" when she thought she was going to wa

Its not about that at all. It's about Hillary looking down the road and seeing that she's not going to be able to get a fair delegate win without getting delegates from places where she was the only candidate on the ballot or where no campaigning was done.

[suston96]

22. It's not about Hillary or Obama or Edwards except that they must together demand that their voters..

....and the delegates the voters elected must be counted. It's about democracy - everyone's vote counts, a concept that seems to escape rabid partisans around here.

[rinsd]

8. Yes Obama has an insurmoutable 2 delegate lead with only 3100 delegates to be decided!

[elizm]

9. That is her character maybe?

But certainly not the character of anyone I would want as President. Karl Rove in a pansuit....Can you tell I like that quote??

[MonkeyFunk]

10. DUers used to like having votes count

but when Clinton suggests it, it's somehow venal.

[Joe the Revelator]

13. Counting votes from elections with only one candidate on the ballot

or where no campagining has taken place isn't really, "voting" is it?

[MonkeyFunk]

17. There will be 8 Democratic candidates on the Florida ballot

but don't let the facts get in the way of making shit up.

[Joe the Revelator]

21. Don't let reading my posts get in the way of you talking out of your ass

If you opened the damn post you would have read this: "or where no campagining has taken place isn't really, "voting" is it?"


It would have taken way too much effort to read the entire two line post, right?

[leftynyc]

25. You said there was only one name

on the ballot. Either ignorant or lying.

[leftynyc]

23. Why are you lying about this?

How many times does it have to be pointed out that ALL the names are on the ballot?

[Joe the Revelator]

24. Somebody else who can't read a post

The subject is about michigan, the body of the thread is about Florida. Use your brain.

[rinsd]

27. There were 4 names on the MI ballot.

There was also a concerted effort by surrogates to pump up the vote for undecided.

[MonkeyFunk]

28. Michigan had four names on the ballot

you're batting zero here.

[leftynyc]

30. Where do you specify Michigan?

Or am I supposed to read your small mind?

[Joe the Revelator]

31. I'm sorry you can't be trusted with simple reading comprehension

[leftynyc]

32. I asked where you specified MI

Got a problem answering simple questions?

[rinsd]

26. MI had 4 Democrats on the ballot. FL will have 8.

In FL, unions and grassroots efforts have been underway for all of the big 3 though the candidates cannot participate directly other than doing fundraisers.

Obama is currently the only candidate with TV advertising running.

[DJ13]

14. "DUers used to like having votes count"

........now that Clinton thinks she might need those delegates she suggests counting them after agreeing they wouldnt count.

Well were seeing through her bullshit and saying she's wrong.

[MonkeyFunk]

29. There's no evidence for that assertion at all

[HughMoran]

34. Not if they don't apply to their candidate

I think we will need these states in the GE and she is smart to try to minimize the alienation.

[jefferson_dem]

11. Because "she will do anything and say anything to get elected."

It's simple, really.

[tokenlib]

16. Agreed!!!

The Clintons are turning so many people off right now that used to admire them. It is really sad that they think they can do this without future ramifications. Sometimes you can really go too far--and if she succeeds at this--their presidency will be damaged.

[THUNDER HANDS]

19. because rules don't apply to her

she is 'the chosen one'

[leftynyc]

20. What goalposts?

She has made a request to seat the delegates. A request. You know, like the request that Obama made so his ads would show up in FL. What pledge has she abandoned? You guys are foaming at the mouth for stupid reasons.

[george_maniakes]

37. So let me get this straight...

as far as i understand it, the candidates agreed that the delegates from florida and michigan wouldnt count because those states violated party rules. Now Clinton wants those delgates to count. Am I correct or incorrect?

[leftynyc]

38. You are correct

and you attribute the most nefarious motives to it because you don't like Hillary. I don't. I think the Dems are going to need to win FL and I know I'd be more likely to bother to vote if a candidate showed some concern for having my voice heard. Clinton and Edwards are using state bought ads while Obama is using a national ad knowing it would show in FL (I don't care that one person in SC from the DNC told him it was okay). YOu choose to see nothing wrong there. It's all perspective.