So now, Clinton wants MI and FL delegates seated.

[EFerrari]

Clinton wants Michigan, Florida delegates to get convention seats
1/25/2008, 1:46 p.m. EST
By KATHY BARKS HOFFMAN
The Associated Press

LANSING, Mich. (AP) — Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton wants delegates from Michigan and Florida to be seated at this summer's Democratic National Convention.

Although the Democratic National Committee's Rules Committee stripped Michigan and Florida of their delegates as punishment for moving up their presidential primaries, Clinton said Friday that she plans to ask her convention delegates to support seating the delegations.

"I believe our nominee will need the enthusiastic support of Democrats in these states to win the general election," she said in a statement, adding that it's important that "we have all 50 states represented and counted at the Democratic convention."

http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/michigan/index.ssf?/base/politics-1/1201281691181690.xml&storylist=michigannews

I knew she was going to be bad but not THIS bad.

[NightWatcher]

1. I bet my left nut, she gets it. Too bad no one else could play in MI

[EFerrari]

5. I bet you're right but hope it comes at no physical cost to you.

lol

When I saw her name stay on the ballot, my belly flipped.

[truebrit71]

12. Not that I want your left nut, but I think that Obama and Edwards will have alot to say about this..

...before it is settled...

My bet, she won't get the votes, and screws the party anyway..

[burythehatchet]

31. Why the hate against the LEFT nut? Why doesn't anyone ever bet their RIGHT nut?

[1corona4u]

2. You know...

you really should check the board...there are about 5 threads on this already...

Yawwwnnnn..............

[EFerrari]

3. Thank you for rousing yourself to add nothing to this thread!

[DJ13]

4. If the Party gives in, Im out of this Party

I will not allow myself to remain a member of a Party that has no scruples and allows a political opportunist to add uncontested delegates into her total so she can gain an unjust advantage over her rivals.

I will reregister as an independant after my vote is cast against her in the California primary.
:mad:

[leftynyc]

6. How are the FL delegates uncontested?

I agree about MI - but FL? Please explain.

[EFerrari]

8. Hasn't the DNC stripped FL of their delegates for moving the primary?

:shrug:

/oops

[DJ13]

9. How are the FL delegates uncontested?

No campaigning is taking place there.

In unstances where the voters dont get the opportunity to know the candidates they tend to vote on name recognition.

[leftynyc]

21. Are Floridians in a bubble?

Are you expecting nobody to go out and have their voice heard regardless of the delegates? Do you really think there is someone left in this country that doesn't know the name Obama? How stupid do you think the people in FL are?

[EFerrari]

22. I don't think it's about stupidity. It's about conflicting messaging.

Your vote counts. It doesn't count. It might count. :shrug:

[leftynyc]

26. So they'll turn down the REQUEST

At least Floridians will know somebody cared enough about their votes to fight for their delegates being seated. That could make the difference in November or don't you care about that?

[EFerrari]

27. Oh, please. n/t

[leftynyc]

29. So you're okay

with the FL Dems thinking nobody cares about their vote. Gotcha. That'll be a big help in November. Just what state will Obama go for to counteract that?

[EFerrari]

30. I'd like a milkshake to go with that straw and I do not support Obama.

Hillary didn't care about their vote either until she did, capiche?

This is exactly what I love about the Clinton campaign. No compunction about using anyone at any time for the most expedient any reason. You guys are as transparent as water.

[EFerrari]

7. For me the sin is, the voters are being cut out of the process.

I admire fighters. But this is going 'way beyond putting up a good fight. This is going around the electorate.

[robbedvoter]

10. Yeah, right to vote - so disgusting! let's recount NH some more though, shall we?

Political party should trump constitutional rights - but maybe the name of the party needs changing...

[EFerrari]

13. Bullshit. MI voters were told their votes would garner no delegates.

And Fl voters have been told the same.

Game someone else.

On edit: I won't change what I posted so people can see it. But, that was rude of me.

[robbedvoter]

16. The right to vote should be restored to all voters - MI. Fla, everyone.

It's what Hillary asks. It's the first of her stands I like. It's more than the 2 Johns did for me in 2004.
Party squabbles should NOT affect voting rights. Deal with the persons who conceivably broke rules, not with the voters.

[EFerrari]

18. Yeah. Hillary has found election reform religion just at the moment

when it can benefit her.

:rofl:

[pampango]

14. "Political party should trump constitutional rights" - Clintons should

have been fighting this for months and refused to cooperate with the idea of not seating delegates from Florida, if they feel that strongly about it.

I thought all the Democratic candidates agreed to this prior to the start of the primary season. Waiting until four days before the primary seems to involve more than a commitment to constitutional rights.

[robbedvoter]

17. Earlier would have been even better. it's not like she wouldn't win Fla anyway.

It's a valid stand - and it makes me consider voting for her. See my handle?

[EFerrari]

20. You need to change your user name immediately

if you are advocating for robbed voters being forced to hand over their vote to Hillary by default.

[Jai4WKC08]

37. That makes no sense at all

If Hillary wins FL, delegates counted or not, it will be because Floridans voted for her. Hell, unlike MI, the other names are on the ballot, so there's no "default" involved.

It's a VERY smart move for her to advocate for FL to get delegates. Even if she weren't probably going to win the state. If she wins the nomination, she will be able to say, "I fought for your right to be counted." Will Obama be able to claim as much?

We sure could use FL's electoral votes in our column. Seems to me we have a greater chance of getting them in 2008 than we've had in a while. Why would ANYone want to throw them away?

[Nimrod2005]

11. These people are crooks and liars!

[mathewsleep]

15. they should not get there delegates because

there wasn't a fair fight in either of those states. obama and edwards weren't even on the ballet in michigan. to give them there delegates wouldn't be fair to all the candidates that wern't on the ballet. she only wants them to be seated to help herself. she doesn't give two rat fucks about their votes being counted. if she lost michigan she wouldn't want they votes to be counted.

[EFerrari]

19. If there is some way those delegates could be seated AND

have it be fair to the contestants, they should be.

Hillary wants to pocket them in an unfair manipulation.

[mathewsleep]

23. agreed and

agreed

[Lucinda]

25. It not unfair.

They are all on the ballot in Florida.

Hillary got 55 % of the vote in Michigan - Uncommitted got 40%. The percentage of difference in delegates (of the 156ish MI was stripped) would be small. Uncommitted delegates could go to Edwards or Obama.

[EFerrari]

28. You can't count MI at all without overlooking all the voters

who believed their vote wouldn't count.

And FL is little different.

The ethics of the Clinton campaign are nauseating. You must have a really strong stomach.

[Lucinda]

33. Lots of people were disenfranchised in MI - there were robocalls telling

people the Dem primary was cancelled too. We still need to seat the delegates.

[EFerrari]

34. Is there a way to separate the two issues? n/t

[D-Sooner]

24. I would say this shocks me, but

the fact is I saw it coming a mile away.

[bunnies]

32. This is her play to win Florida.

Just in case they get seated at the convention she wants to make sure she wins the state. "See Florida... I stuck up for you... vote for me!". Obvious.

[EFerrari]

35. Yep. Same with MI. n/t

[Alexander]

36. The Clintons show they have no respect for the DNC or the rules.

They want the DNC to be exactly like the DLC, the base be damned.