Have Pelosi and Reid made you lose trust in the party?

[rucky]

It's more than rolling over with them, there's an active effort to enable Bushco. I think it's led to some trust issues with the party as a whole, and why I'm unable to commit to a candidate.

I want to like them and trust them, and I don't expect anybody to be perfect. I guess it's the once-bitten, twice shy mentality. But we've got bite marks all over our behinds.

[acmavm]

1. You damn betcha.

[robbedvoter]

2. More than them, the crap I see posted in this forum. Fearing McCain and agreeing

with RW scum...

[rucky]

12. I think the increase in crap comes from insecurity

that we will be led out of this mess. Beat 'em or Join 'em. And as the odds of Beat 'em become more remote (false hopes in '06), we're seeing more Join 'em. That's why many seem to be okay with the sleazy campaigning and all the dishonesty - as long as "our team" is dishing it out.

[Marrah_G]

3. No- I have faith things will turn around.

[RaleighNCDUer]

17. Faith based politics.

Just what we need.










:sarcasm:

[cdb]

4. Yes. Definitely

I feel disappointed and betrayed. All the promises, 100 days etc... all talk.

[BonnieJW]

5. YES!

I believe the spying has mostly been on dem congress people and senators. I think this administration has contacted each of them whenever they need them to rollover and threatened to expose some secret about them or a family member. Blackmail is what I'm talking about. They are listening to everyone and reading all their emails.

[AndyA]

6. Yes, I question why very few are even challenging them.

Feingold, Dodd, Kucinich, but that's about it.

Surely there are more Dems who know what's going on is wrong.

Pelosi and Reid should be removed ASAP, they will continue to bring the party down by failing to live up to their oath of office. They are no better than Bushco.

[sonroadera]

7. No. The more the odds of Clinton's nomination rise, the more I lose trust in the party

If she is the kind of person Democrats want to lead us, I don't have a lot in common with this party.

[bananas]

8. No.

"The party" is an attempt at consensus.

[Blarch]

9. yes, I feel betrayed.

[Howardx]

20. ditto

we need a viable third party for progressives

[peacetalksforall]

10. Yes, was just thinking how much these revelations and the truth of our

dilemna can be this devestating. We hardly have anyone. Only Feingold,Kucinich - just a few.

[havocmom]

11. Nope. They are NOT the party. They are part of it, same as me

I figure MY job is to make them a smaller part by finding, encouraging, and $upporting DEM candidates who more closely match my priorities. My job is to empower more DEMS who don't support the status quo that is taking us all over a big cliff.

[HereSince1628]

13. I think frustration with Pelosi and Reid set up the party for internal animosity

We, the base, are very frustrated at the inability of Congress, and thereby P and R, to advance any of our causes.
We, the base, are angry that P and R won't take a stand on behalf of the base and fight for it, even unto a bloody loss.
We, the base, WANT A FIGHT!

And now, we, the base, have got fights. We are fighting like mad dogs online in forums like DU-Primaries and between the national campaigns for the Dem Nomination. I am not sure that's going to help anymore than the absence of fight in P, R, and the Dems in Congress, but it's venting a lot of heat.

[rucky]

14. That's what I was getting at.

The atmosphere doesn't exactly foster trust. And I'm not getting the assurances I'm looking for from Hillary and Obama. I'm starting to trust Edwards more and more, though. Since the bottom-tier is wiped out, I have no choice.

[nancyr]

15. Yes, definitely.

[CK_John]

16. IMO, * gave them a choice, I'll push the red button if you try to impeach.

Your OP is like those cell commercials where you only hear one side of the conversion.

To me it is simple. * said, I run the clock out or you will have nothing to run if you try to push me out. Many yrs for now we will find out they saved the world.

[tandot]

18. No. I believe that once we have a super-majority, things will turn around

Even though we have a majority in the house, it is not veto-proof (yet). And the senate is split with Lieberman voting more and more with Republicans.

Maybe instead of wasting all of our energy on attacking each other, we should make sure that more Democrats get elected. I rarely see posts about districts that Democrats could take away from Republicans.

I live in Doolittle's district and we are all hoping that this time, Charlie Brown can take this seat away from Republican control. Here is more about him:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Brown_%28California%29

A social moderate, Brown identified his other top priorities as: protecting Social Security; keeping American jobs at home; stopping out-of-control deficit spending; strengthening national security while bringing the war in Iraq to a quick and secure resolution; supporting strong, safe schools; ensuring clean water and air; and making good healthcare accessible to everyone. Brown is pro-choice, saying, "the government doesn’t get to make personal decisions for Americans, no matter how much they might like to do so.... I don’t have to approve. I don’t even have to understand. It’s not about me. It’s about individual liberties."<1>

Here is his website:


http://www.charliebrownforcongress.org/

[rucky]

23. Excellent points

I think you're right, and we can't depend on a president to fix everything. Some of the dissapointment may be from unrealistic expectations. but..

Doolittle and Charlie Brown! :rofl: What's your district? Toontown?

[tandot]

25. Yes, Doolittle did very little for us and Charlie Brown is actually cute and funny

"Toontown" just sums it up. :rofl:

We live in one of the reddest districts of CA - North of Sacramento.

[Ino]

19. Yes, absolutely

I have a faint hope that things won't be "as bad" after this election... a far cry from how my spirit soared in Nov 06. And you can add John Conyers to the list of the deeply disappointing. I'm still reeling from HIS betrayal.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

21. I keep wondering what Bushco has on them

they are rolling over on everything.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

22. We're not supposed to "trust" politicians in a democracy.

"Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one."
Thomas Paine

Harry & Nancy are superb examples of why we aren't.

[rateyes]

24. And Conyers and Leahy and Waxman, too.