Barack Obama will NOT be Vice Presidential Candidate for Hillary

[JI7]

this is just not going to happen. first of all, Hillary will probably not even consider him. Evan Bayh or Tom Vilsack are the types she will consider.

and even if there was some chance she would consider him, Obama would not accept it.

if Obama is on the national ticket it will only be at the top.

[cali]

1. If the Clintons come the conclusion that they need Obama to win enough

of an alienated AA vote, they'll offer him the spot, and odds are he'll take it.

[robbedvoter]

13. I tend to agree. I would like such a ticket.

[surfermaw]

45. I don't think he will be asked.

[Inuca]

16. As an Obama supporter

do you think this would be a wise decision for him? I think it would be both unwise and disappointing, but I am curious what's your take on this.

[Big Blue Marble]

31. I think this would be the same disaster for Obama

that it was for Al Gore. The Clintons are everything Obama's campaign is fighting.
If he sells out by accepting a VP nod from Hillary, he is signaling he is really just another politico and
nothing more. He will have sold out his supporters as well as his values.

If he would run with her, I will not support either of them.

[Inuca]

34. Thank you

we agree. By the way, I think it would be (much) worse than for Gore.

[Bake]

41. Funny, I thought we were ALL fighting against the Repugs ....

Bake

[Big Blue Marble]

42. Actually, I am fighting for the return of representative democracy.

I look for it where I find it. If the Democratic Party has sunk to the same tactics to be elected and to govern as the right,
then I will look elsewhere.

[Bake]

43. Feel free to take your wagon and go home

I'm a Democrat. I'll still be a Democrat after the primaries are over.

Bake

[Big Blue Marble]

46. You are then an example of tribalism at its best.

Your party right or wrong. You might want to consider how that thinking is a lot like Bush's 30%ers.


Edit to add. I have and I will always support constitutional government and representative democracy over any party.
To do less, is to fail our country and our people.

[Bake]

47. You can console yourself with your ideological purity

But I'm more concerned about long term things that matter - like the next few Supreme Court nominees. Having a Dem White House to go along with a Dem majority Congress.

And I'm dead serious. There are way too many "if Hillary gets the nom I'll stay home" types around here these days. You people act like Hillary and the Clintons are the devil incarnate. I've got news for you. It's BushCo that's the devil incarnate, and what they've done to the country in the past 7 1/2 years, that is the real enemy.

I'm not a fan of Obama. But if he's our eventual nominee, I'll vote for him.

Bake

[Big Blue Marble]

49. You are right.

I do not think there is much difference between HRC and GWB when it comes to how she will govern.
And I predict neither will you if it comes to that.

As to the SC, I have voted and voted and voted for Democrats to protect the Supreme Court.

A Democratic Congress brought us Thomas, Roberts and Alito. Why would should I trust that
the Democrats are going to protect our courts.

That argument is always used as a red herring to keep us in line. And our choices just get worse and worse.

This time I will vote my principles because it may be all I have left.

[Bake]

51. What Democratic Congress?????

It wasn't the Dems in Congress who handed us Roberts and Scalito! Hellooooooo; they were nominated by a Puke Prez and confirmed by a Puke Senate.

Thomas was nominated by a Puke Pres also.

Whatever you're smoking, keep it to yourself.

Bake

[Big Blue Marble]

52. Sorry, I misspoke.

The Dems in the Repuke controlled Senate could have filibustered both Roberts and Alito. You know the way that
the Repuke minority stops cold so much of the Dems aggenda in this Senate.

They chose instead to rollover, kinda like they are doing now.

Thomas on the other hand was approved by a Democratic Senate. He easily could have been stopped by a filibuster.

[liberalnurse]

2. Oh yes Obama will gladly take the shared Ticket .

It's the only way America can get to know him... Bill Clinton will become his mentor, and prepare him for President.

[Tellurian]

4. I hope not..I, for one insist we have a Left leaning Democrat for VP

Obama isn't enough of a Democrat to qualify for Hillary's VP. I'm thinking more in line with Biden. We need strong players capable of getting this country back to a Democracy.

[liberalnurse]

6. It may come down to the practical details

and Obama can bring Money and Young Voters...Obama still has to evolve...he can become a great democrat with the right training.

[Tellurian]

7. I know..

you know the meaning of "reverse barrier precautions"..:)

Obama and Kerry's punishment would be having to support Hillary as the Dem Nominee and campaign for her against the Repukes. Just imagine how the prospect of campaigning for Hillary is sitting in their craw right now as we type. Unless, they really fully go over to the dark side and support Mitt. Kerry and Romney have always been good buds.

[JI7]

8. that is such crap

unlike the Clintons , Kerry and Obama fully support the Democratic Nominee every time.

and it's Clinton who is good buds with people like Old man Bush .

it is interesting that even Hillary supporters think she sucks so bad that supporting her is considered punishment.

[Tellurian]

17. Put down the Kool-Aid. You're having a hard time keeping even the Lies straight.

[Inuca]

11. I know of what you are capable of

and still you manage to surprise. Quite an acomplishment!

[cali]

12. bwahahaha. Aside from the FACT that Obama's record is left leaning

he's the tenth most liberal Senator- Hill will NEVER pick a left leaning dem for VP, and your silly little insistence on it will hardly change that, ducky. Biden won't change a powerful spot in the Senate for a VP spot, and face it, Hill's VP will be the ultimate back bencher. And of course anyone that thinks the Clinton crew is a plus for democracy is nuts.

[Tellurian]

20. But you can't deny Obama has done a 180 shift in his message

pandering to Republicans and Evangelicals..besides the fact the nucleus of Obama's campaign is mainly comprised of Bush operatives and supporters. Obama have vigorously put forth a Republican agenda, dissing Boomers, the GLBT community catering to and promoting the RW agenda..as he asks for help building his Kingdom.

You might consider stowing the vitriol and invective when addressing me, otherwise, you'll be talking to yourself.

[Inuca]

40. That's it!

"besides the fact the nucleus of Obama's campaign is mainly comprised of Bush operatives and supporters."

That settles it. You either have serious problems, in which case you have all my sympathy, or hopefully and much more likely, you are playing the whole of DU for fools, and have lots of fun at our expense. Not very laudable, but hey, if that's what makes you happy....

[water]

22. He would balance the ticket, making Republicans much more willing to vote for Clinton.

[Big Blue Marble]

32. In your dreams.

The Republicans will not go near Clinton no matter whom she picks for VP.

[karynnj]

23. Biden is considerably to the right of Obama

I hope that Obama is not faced with the decision to either be part of what will likely be a dirty Clinton campaign or be seen as not joining the team when he is needed to mend the rift.

It bothers me that many good people will be put in a position to support this corrupt couple because the alternative in this troubled time is unthinkable.

[Richardson08]

56. Ed Rendell or Bill Richardson for VP

[oasis]

3. When Obama runs ads stating "Hillary will do anything to win" he's

burning bridges bigtime.

[Tellurian]

5. Yes, he is..Obama's been caught recanting lies so many times

He's an embarrassment to the Dem Party.

[BeyondGeography]

9. Hopefully, you're right

He has a great political future; aligning himself with the Clintons would permanently tarnish it.

[Bluenorthwest]

53. His political future...

Was tarnished beyond repair for many millions of people when he did his Fundie gay baiting turn, months ago. To me, since then, he has been the same as any Republican running for office, bashing gays and other Democrats and praising and being praised by Republicans.
I do not allign my vote with the religous right, ever. When Obama comes to CA, he's going to learn how much most Democrats like lunatic preachers and evangelists who hurl stones of verbal abuse at whatever minority is upsetting them that day. He saw it in New Hampshire and in Nevada. He made a crass and vile trade off, bigots in one region for Democrats across America. He made his bed, let him sleep in it.
My opinion of him is based soley on his own actions, alliances and voting record. He is Hillary+McClurkin.
A heavily compromised and tarnished man, whose desperation and impatient attitude lead him to attempt that for which he was not prepared. Plenty of experience to be Pres, not nearly enough to get elected. Back in July, he thought he had votes to burn, he was free to toss the gays and insult the boomers. I bet he wishes he'd had a few thousand more votes in NH and Nevada, don't you? Hubris and prejudice will cost him the office.

Edwards 2008-the only Democrat still running.

[wyldwolf]

10. before you shut off that crystal ball of yours...

... can you pass along those winning numbers this week?

[oasis]

27. No crystal ball here, but I suspect that "Obama Movement" advisers

will convince him to leave the Dem Party and challenge Hillary in 2012 as an independent.

[Inuca]

14. Agree

Both on Obama and the types that may be willing to accept the position of vice-vice-president on a Clinton x 2 ticket. I have said it before, and I strongly believe it, that I think it would be very difficult to find powerful, effective and very qualified people that would be willing to assume the key positions in a Clinton administration, and that includes VP, State, Defense, and maybe more. If she gets the nod, I hope I will be proven wrong, because if I am right it would mean a weak and confused administration. NOT what we need.

[paulk]

28. get real -

I realize that hatred of all things Clinton has the ability to cloud judgement, but the idea that a Clinton admin. would be unable to find "powerful, effective and very qualified people" is just nonsense.

Democrats have been in the wilderness for eight years now and there aren't ANY who wouldn't jump at the chance to serve in a Democratic administration, no matter who our nominee is.

[Inuca]

39. I think the risk is very real

my point, maybe not very well expressed, is simply that the power structure in a Clinton administration would be too confused and confusing because of Bill. There should be no problem finding good people for the positions that he is less likely to take an interest in. But if you think that he will be only involved in Christmas decorating and funerals, you are mistaken. Again, I sincerely hope I am wrong, I mean it.

[cgrindley]

15. I think you're delusional

the ticket WILL be Clinton/Obama.

[indimuse]

19. ..

I hope it's Clinton/Obama..

[sufrommich]

18. Of course he would accept the VP slot if it were offered to him

he's an ambitious politician,they all are.The hyperdrive emotionalism concerning candidates here on DU is not indicative of political reality.Politicians do not take their ball and go home to the detriment of their political careers.If,in the future, it looks like Clinton will be the candidate,I expect you will start seeing a severe ratcheting down of the acrimony between the two of them.Personally,I hope it's offered to him and he accepts,of course,the stench of the republicans collectively shitting their pants in unison,would be an added bonus.

[MethuenProgressive]

21. He was running for VP from the very begining. The unexpected level of HillaryHate "change"d that.

It's obvious he never expected to be a frontrunner for the top spot.

[Fabio]

24. I agree with that now

based on watching their (poor) chemistry over the last few months. But there was always an intentional detente between the camps through the summer when I think they were sizing each other up for a possible combo.

[LostinVA]

25. I'm hoping for Jim Webb

Gov. Kaine can appoint another Dem senator, too.

[enid602]

26. problem

The only problem with Obama as VP is that we won't be able to have him on the Supreme Court.

[paulk]

29. I do think that he would accept if offered

I'm not sure it would be offered, though.

It has been the pattern in the Dem party recently for the runnerup to get the VP nod.

[mtnsnake]

30. If she honored him by asking him to be her VP, he'd be nuts to refuse it

considering he might actually be ready for the BIG job after being Hillary's VP for the next 8 years. At least by then he'd have some experience. First she has to ask him, though.

[snooper2]

33. What experience does Hillary have again?

Oh yeah, how to keep the corporate masters happy....

[mtnsnake]

36. Let's just say it's about 1000 times more than Obama has.

Imagine Obama having to go up against the likes of McCain. He'd get raked over the coals so fast he wouldn't know what hit him.

[snooper2]

38. Oh, this must be what your talking about...

But during those two terms in the White House, Mrs. Clinton did not hold a security clearance. She did not attend National Security Council meetings. She was not given a copy of the president’s daily intelligence briefing. She did not assert herself on the crises in Somalia, Haiti and Rwanda.

And during one of President Bill Clinton’s major tests on terrorism, whether to bomb Afghanistan and Sudan in 1998, Mrs. Clinton was barely speaking to her husband, let alone advising him, as the Lewinsky scandal sizzled.

In seeking the Democratic presidential nomination, Mrs. Clinton lays claim to two traits nearly every day: strength and experience. But as the junior senator from New York, she has few significant legislative accomplishments to her name. She has cast herself, instead, as a first lady like no other: a full partner to her husband in his administration, and, she says, all the stronger and more experienced for her “eight years with a front-row seat on history.”

http://patterico.com/2007/12/31/hillary-vs-obama-on-foreign-policy-experience/

[Big Blue Marble]

35. That is what Al Gore thought in 92.

How did it work out for him? The Clintons use and discard people.
I would be very disappointed in Obama if he fell for that ruse.

[NJObamaWoman]

44. Please he would be crazy to accept it. the GOPs want HRC to be

the candidate. She is going to get creamed and Obama shouldn't have any part of it.

[question everything]

50. Big mistake. The last time a sitting VP won the presidency

was papa Bush in 1988 and he lasted only one term.

It is very difficult for a person who is in the background for 8 years, not speaking unless told to, being associated with the White House scandals - and there always are - all of a sudden to emerge as a leader with a mind of his own.

If he does accept the VP post, after his term ends he should go out to build a name for himself and then try to run on his own record.

[Alexander]

37. You're right. Hillary Clinton will continue serving New York in the Senate.

[question everything]

48. He should not. Nor should Clinton be his running mate

Two senators will be a disastrous ticket. Either should have a military person as a running mate. Wes Clark for Clinton and I've read here someplace about Webb for Obama.

No, if Obama is not the nominee, he should go back to Illinois and run for governor - and I've heard that he could win, and then come back, in 2016 or - if the worse has happened - in 2012 now as a more mature with executive experience.

[David Zephyr]

54. I'm sure the "promised" the VP slot to Wes Clark to entice him away from running himself...

But I'm sure Wes has already figured out that he's now in a very, very long line of people who have been betrayed by Clinton promises over their career of ambtion.

Wes Clark was played as a fool. No wonder we don't see him that much anymore.

Wes is to the Clintons as Colin Powell was to the Bushes.

[book_worm]

55. Boy Bahy and Vilsack will sure help enthuse the African-American community and young voters that

Obama has brought into the voting places.

[CyberPieHole]

57. Do you have a link for this? Or is this JUST ANOTHER DU OPINION PIECE?

Please let us know.