Losing Ugly---John Edwards will not be President

[BarackBucks]

Wow, laid out like this DOES look FUGLY! GoBama!

"Then there is John Edwards. He's not going to be president, either. He stays in the race because, with the Democrats' proportional representation system, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton might end up in a very close delegate race -- perhaps allowing an also-ran with, say, 10 percent of the delegates to act as kingmaker at the convention.

It's a prize of sorts; it might even be tradeable for a Cabinet position. But at considerable cost. His campaign has been a spectacle.

Edwards has made much of his renunciation of his Iraq war vote. But he has not stopped there. His entire campaign has been an orgy of regret and renunciation:


**As senator, he voted in 2001 for a bankruptcy bill that he now denounces.


**As senator, he voted for storing nuclear waste in Nevada's Yucca Mountain. Twice. He is now fiercely opposed.


**As senator, he voted for the Bush-Kennedy No Child Left Behind education reform. He now campaigns against it, promising to have it "radically overhauled."

**As senator, he voted for the Patriot Act, calling it "a good bill . . . and I am pleased to support it." He now attacks it.


**As senator, he voted to give China normalized trade relations. Need I say? He now campaigns against liberalized trade with China as a sellout of the middle class to the great multinational agents of greed, etc.


Breathtaking. People can change their minds about something. But everything? The man served one term in the Senate. He left not a single substantial piece of legislation to his name, only an endless string of votes on trade, education, civil liberties, energy, bankruptcy and, of course, war that now he not only renounces but inveighs against.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/24/AR2008012402799.html

[Metric System]

1. The popcorn's on...

the reaction to this post should be interesting.

[Kucinich4America]

20. Popcorn? No, I think a pizza delivery is in order

Probably two, actually........

[Lucinda]

28. Yep. I was thinking pizza too.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

I am thinking pizza sounds really good. I can almost smell it.

:toast:

[Blue_In_AK]

33. K4A, sorry about your guy dropping out.

I really like Dennis.

[Kucinich4America]

58. Thanks. I really like him too.

And I hope John incorporates even more of his platform.

Now where's that pizza? :evilgrin:

[KansDem]

93. I'd like mine with anchovies and jalapeños, please...

Had my first "salt and pepper" pizza in Tucumcari, New Mexico, in May 1978. Been eating them ever since!

Mighty tasty! Mighty tasty! :9

[LTR]

73. I'm thinking the same thing

Pizza



And a movie.

[chimpymustgo]

85. React to CRAZY CHARLES KRAUTHHAMER???? We shouldn't even be POSTING his deranged crap.

He's is a certfiable war-mongering neocon. Take no guidance - or comfort - in nutty rants. The OP must be "new" here.

[Nutmegger]

2. My mind's made up now.

I'm voting for John Edwards!

[Snotcicles]

80. The gutter is bottomless. nt

[Blue_In_AK]

3. You're quoting CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER????

You do know he's a right-wing tool, don't you?

[saracat]

5. Again the RW hate speech! Someone is really worried about Edwards!

[Blue_In_AK]

8. It sure looks that way. :)

[SeattleGirl]

7. No shit! Guy's got poison running in his veins.

He's a freakin' right wing shill!

[BarackBucks]

10. I don't care what he is

Look at the votes Edwards has made. I'm sorry but I cannot trust him. GoBama!

[saracat]

18. Never looked at his whole record have Ya" Don't know about his authoring the Patients Bill of Rights

or his work against predatory lenders or his fight to not cap awards on corporate suits? And there is much more but why bother? it is much easier to be an ignoramus and let the GOP think for you!

[SeattleGirl]

19. You SHOULD care.

Believe me, if Obama gets the nomination, ol' Charlie will have him dead in his sites, and THAT is gonna be ugly.

If you want Obama, fine.

Just don't bring right wing shills in to do your arguing for you.

That kind of stuff generally isn't welcomed here.

[BarackBucks]

55. Edwards votes should be examined

[saltpoint]

27. Your not caring is not surprising.

[racaulk]

96. The messenger can be just as important as the message.

Especially in politics, everyone has an agenda. We should always consider not only the message being communicated, but who is communicating it, and why. That's how we can stay better informed, by not just accepting things that are said at face value.

So why would a right-wing shill like Krauthammer bother commenting on the Edwards campaign, of all things? Just out of the goodness of his heart...or perhaps he is trying to affect public opinion?

Hmmm...

[NWHarkness]

24. Obama's going to bring us together!

Krauthammer is exactly the kind of guy Obama says we need to be conciliatory towards.

[BarackBucks]

40. Obama is our only hope

Otherwise we are stuck with the slimey Clintons. I wish it weren't true but it is.

[emilyg]

72. Jesus - NO!

[Strawman]

98. Yeah. Krauthammer's opposition makes me want to send Edwards $50

I guess you say that is an ad hominem argument, but my sense is they are most afraid of Edwards.

[saltpoint]

4. I sure hope John Edwards is our next president. He's a good man.

[southern_dem]

6. This is terrible

Edwards won't be getting my vote for Senator. :P

[Glimmer of Hope]

9. It is nice to see Edwards is still viable enough to trash.

[saracat]

11. Losing Ugly??? What about "Ugly Posting" ?

[saltpoint]

12. The writing in your post, such as it is, is... is... well --

substandard.

If you consult a good writing coach -- even a language-lab-type person at any college or university -- he or she could probably work with you on sentence construction, including variety in parts of speech and phonetic resonance.

As for content, that could be a lost cause.

[Binka]

50. This Gas Bag Is Just Waiting For A Pizza

Spam poster with no intelligence or charm.

[saltpoint]

52. Hi, Binka. I read her post and thought to myself, "Sheesh -- this is not

a very good way to make friends."

I hate to read into things, but didn't the tone of the OP strike you as a bit, you know, irritable?

[Binka]

57. Manic not irritable

There is a large growth in this one's bum.

Hi to you bub, been working my ass for JE in No Cal. We will prevail. We will.

[saltpoint]

59. Binka, thanks for the hard work, for the sleeves-rolled-up work, for the

heart and mind work, too.

Go, Johnny, go!

[Binka]

65. Pey and I are at it tomorrow

We are walking and talking John until he becomes President. As a former advertising sales rep I never take NO for an answer. We are barking for John. Our lives and all depend on this.

[saltpoint]

66. You're livin' at the foot of the Cross! Thank you.

[Binka]

68. Just Doing What We Gotta Do

John is our man and I am teaching Peyton how to advocate. This is two girls, one old and long ago beautiful, one young and beautiful, trying to save this country.

[grasswire]

13. someone's awfully afraid of John Edwards

Is it because he might spoil the press's telling of a horse race?

Is it because he might actually be elected and start re-regulating?

What?

But Krauthammer is having one spectacular hissy fit about a bright-eyed politician.

Maybe he's just jealous of Edwards' vigor and appeal.

[Jim Sagle]

14. An Obamabozo with 86 posts quotes a 4-star Republican pundit in his effort to knock Edwards.

How perfectly Republican of you. But then, your CANDIDATE is a Republican as well.

[avaistheone1]

67. If John Edwards was the status quo, the corporations would not fear him so.

[judaspriestess]

15. L-A-M-E

:boring:

[Mythsaje]

16. I have only one comment:

:puke:

[saracat]

23. Mythsaje, this may be your most eloquent post ever! Well said!

:toast:

[AX10]

17. Oh look, another Obaminista trashing another Dem who is not Barack.

:puke:

The cult that has come out for Obama is sickening. :puke:

[Kucinich4America]

30. You really think this one's an Obama supporter?

For some reason, I have my doubts

[liberalla]

76. I'm suspicious also.

Me thinks there's another agenda at work...

Kucinich always 4 America. Peace.

[Dogmudgeon]

48. It's not a cult. It's a *peer group*.

--p!

[Quantess]

62. Check out the OP's avatar

and see if you still think that's an Obama fan.

[Irishonly]

90. The OP

said in another thread Obama was our only hope. He's an Obama supporter. LOL

[Stand and Fight]

21. Your post should piss off...

That fact that you're quoting a right-wing Fox News pundit idiotic jack-off is enough to completely eliminate any sort of legitimacy to your position. Now go under a bridge somewhere.

[JeffR]

22. Wow.

Thanks for that timely heads-up. And to think I could have voted for this... this... this... guy who has actually watched everything go straight to hell and had the nerve to change his mind about a lot of issues that have mutated and worsened immensely in the last four years. What a bastard, huh? Thank God you set me straight.

[Blue_In_AK]

I love this thread -- all my favorite people are here!

JeffR, Old Crusoe, Saracat, Mythsaje .... how much better could it get?

ed. And even Seattle Girl. This rocks.

[saltpoint]

31. We comprise DU's "Big-Up" machine. But seal your lips -- it's a SECRET!

Hiya, Blue_In_AK!

Nice to see you as always.

[Nutmegger]

38. Hey!

:rofl:

Good to see you here tonight Blue_In_AK. :hi:

[Blue_In_AK]

41. Nutmegger! Woo-hoo!

:hi:

[Lucinda]

36. You wuz save-eded jest in time!

Hallielooyer!

[Webster Green]

25. Ah yes, Krauthammer....one of my favorites...

NOT!

:eyes:

[Triana]

26. So...you Obama people are just as assinine online as IRL

I wondered. Now I know...thanks for confirming that for me.

Makes me want to - vote for EDWARDS that much more.

Have a Nice Day...

[goldcanyonaz]

29. Oh, puke!

:puke:

[SaveOurDemocracy]

32. Obama supporters linking Noonan and Krauthammer ???

Is that desperation, or simply no scruples about how low they will go to attack the other Dem candidates?

:puke:

[SeattleGirl]

34. All right. Who is recommending this thread???

Jeebus, folks, have you no ethics?

:puke:

[Blue_In_AK]

39. It's a party, SG

We've got to get EVERYBODY here. (I didn't recommend, though.)

[SeattleGirl]

42. Well then,where's my damn pizza?

I'm hungry!

:)

[Blue_In_AK]

44. I have some leftover homemade Indian food from dinner...

Ya want some? It's dee-lishus.

[SeattleGirl]

46. Oooh, I'd love some!

:9

[melody]

70. It's a pack of sedulous apes masquerading as humans on DU

Even if individually they're nice people, when they gang up together, all they know is protecting their Alpha. :eyes:

[OHdem10]

35. Obama needs some white people votes. WaPo has decided

to do what they can to help. The problem is there is
no guarantee Edwards votes would go to Obama. Just might
help Hilary.

TV Types have been pushing the idea that John hurts Obama.

The Media are bored so they need a change in the race.

There is a lot of sick politics going on at the establishmet
level. Do not be surprised if Bloomberg comes to the rescue
of the country. I do not necessarily think he is the answer
but some do.

This financial crisis is serious.

[Indenturedebtor]

54. Edwards does hurt Obama

But as far as I know, though I would rather Obama than Clinton.... I can see now more than ever why the media and the other enemy are more for them than John. As far as I know he doesn't have any horribly putrescent scandals that they can exploit for victory.

[balantz]

37. That SourKrautHammer must have gotten a big bonus from the corporate nazis

to write that little piece of shit paper. Easy money for piss-poor journalism. They are desperately afraid of Edwards.

[DemDogs]

43. As opposed to your guy who like Bush

never made a mistake. I guess he never voted for funding for the war he is so proud he gave a speech about. He describes the speech as brave even though he had the protection of Durbin and he was in a contested Democratic primary at the time where he needed do something about the total lack of interest in his campaign.

[BarackBucks]

53. You sound jealous

[TheWatcher]

82. You sound uninformed.

[Midlodemocrat]

86. Or just plain stupid.

[incapsulated]

45. Oh, snap, this is one great slam

Yes, my name is incapsulated, I hate Edwards and I endorse the rest of this OP:

Breathtaking. People can change their minds about something. But everything? The man served one term in the Senate. He left not a single substantial piece of legislation to his name, only an endless string of votes on trade, education, civil liberties, energy, bankruptcy and, of course, war that now he not only renounces but inveighs against.

Today he plays the avenging angel, engaged in an "epic struggle" against the great economic malefactors that "have literally," he assures us, "taken over the government." He is angry, embodying the familiar zeal of the convert, ready to immolate anyone who benightedly holds to any revelation other than the zealot's very latest.

Nothing new about a convert. Nothing new about a zealous convert. What is different about Edwards is his endlessly repeated claim that the raging populist of today is what he has always been. That this has been the "cause of my life," the very core of his being, ingrained in him on his father's knee or at the mill or wherever, depending on the anecdote he's telling. You must understand: This is not politics for him. "This fight is deeply personal to me. I've been engaged in it my whole life."

Except for his years as senator, the only public office he's ever held. The audacity of the all-my-life trope is staggering. By his own endlessly self-confessed record, his current pose is a coat of paint newly acquired. His claim that it is an expression of his inner soul is a farce.

A cynical farce that is particularly galling to authentic and principled left-liberals. "The one that is the most problematic is Edwards," Sen. Russ Feingold told the Post-Crescent in Appleton, Wis., "who voted for the Patriot Act, campaigns against it. Voted for No Child Left Behind, campaigns against it. Voted for the China trade deal, campaigns against it. Voted for the Iraq war. . . . He uses my voting record exactly as his platform, even though he had the opposite voting record."

It profits a man nothing to sell his soul for the whole world. But for 4 percent of the Nevada caucuses?

[Metric System]

47. Well I had my popcorn...

and it looks like this thread is turning into a vomitorium. So I guess I'll join in and show my disgust for Obamaniacs constantly linking to RW pundits in order to attack Hillary and Edwards:

:puke::puke: :puke::puke:

[readmoreoften]

49. Oh great. A paid troll.

Hope your getting your "bucks" worth.

[Bluebear]

51. With another "HOPEFUL" message to "CHANGE THE TONE"!

:silly:

[Binka]

60. Ah Shit BB You Know Where This Concern Troll Came From

Ya wanna laugh at this pathetic shit. Not even troll worthy.

[LaPera]

56. It will be, President Edwards! No doubt!

[Two Americas]

61. very odd

So odd. That is all I can think of to say.

Very, very odd.

[saltpoint]

63. Agreed. I was torn between "very, very odd" and "damned odd."

But odd, either way.

[lisainmilo]

64. PRESENT! one big exception

[melody]

69. ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!! Ooooh, they're dragging out the mud now ... he must be in the running

I won't even bother trying to respond to this. It's all been said before.

[JDPriestly]

71. Edwards doesn't just talk about change. He is willing to change.

The definition of insanity is said to be continuing to do something over and over although it does not work. If that is true, then changing course is a sign of sanity.

The Yucca Mountain bill enabled "the Department of Energy to submit a license application to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC)." When the Commission received and reviewed the application and learned the truth, the application was rejected. 15 Democrats voted for the bill including Edwards. New information indicating that nuclear waste could not be safely stored at that site explains Edwards' change of opinion.
http://www.aip.org/fyi/2002/081.html

The bankruptcy bill did not pass. Enough said. What senator hasn't regretted a single vote?

The Patriot Act was passed 98 -1 Nay (Feingold) and 1 abstention (Landrieu) in the frenzy of 9/11 by a huge majority of Congress.
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/patriotact20012006senatevote.shtml
Clinton also voted yeah. http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=55463

No less a liberal than Ted Kennedy helped get No Child Left Behind through Congress. http://www.amconmag.com/2005_08_01/article.htmlIt was a daring proposal to solve a tough problem.
It passed 87 to 10 with 3 abstentions, however, the program failed miserably. http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=1&vote=00371
Clinton also voted yeah. http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=55463

Clinton proposed the China Trade Bill, and Edwards, as a loyal Democrat, voted for it. This time the vote was 83 yeah, 15 nay and 2 abstentions.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=106&session=2&vote=00251

Bush lied to Congress to get the Iraq War Authorization Bill passed. 77 yeahs and 23 nays on this one.
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=2&vote=00237
Clinton also voted for that bill. Obama never faced the dilemma of voting yea or no on it. Edwards is honest enough to admit he was wrong. Hillary is not, as far as I know.

Edwards was a child in the segregated South. He lived through major social change in which people had to admit that they were wrong about something they and generations before them had believed was right. When you make a mistake, you admit your mistake honestly and you change and try to right your wrong. Changing your mind can be a good thing.

Stubbornly insisting on staying a failed course as President Bush has done is a sign of insanity.

[FormerDittoHead]

83. Thank for for your post. I, too, am tired of the "flip-flop" moniker to describe CHANGE...

...and I ALSO don't appreciate it being used by someone who, when talking about change, makes up a FAIRY TALE about his "prescience" about Iraq when he flipped and flopped all over the place to finally say he was "always" against it...

[Raster]

74. Be Gone! You have no power here!

[kiteinthewind]

75. Gee, ya joined last week just to stir up shit? Perhaps a campaign operative planting more seeds of

turmoil? Oh, and welcome to DU. Bye, now.:thumbsdown:

[David__77]

77. As an Obama supporter, I don't approve of this post's contents.

I don't think there's anything wrong with Edwards staying in the race at all, and he'd certainly be my second choice. I do not think it's clear who his departure would "benefit" at this point.

[ToeBot]

78. Welcome to the pile. nt

[cali]

79. Ugh. Krauthammer? I mean really, Krauthammer?

Your posts are shameful. You do Obama no good whatsoever with this shit.

[Coexist]

95. that was my first thought - Krauthammer??! Who links to that junk?

[physioex]

81. Heh...

I am voting for Edwards. Your post isn't going to change my mind. Don't get too delusional about Obama who doesn't have a voting record either.

[robbedvoter]

84. As I've been saying...SC is wide open

[NikolaC]

87. Odd

That reads just like an "article" on Salon today about Edwards. They ignored him for most the campaign, except for the big dust up about the two bloggers who left his campaign. They did the same thing to Kucinich (except for a snarky and dismissive piece) and Gravel. Today they wrote a post mortem on Edwards' candidacy. They have been very MSM about this presidential race for a long time now. I am not an Edwards supporter, but it seems odd that someone who is running on a progressive platform keeps getting dismissed by a so-called "progressive" online publication.

[OwnedByFerrets]

88. This post should be zapped, considering who wrote this crap.

[UpInArms]

89. I just added another rightwing infiltrator to my ignore list

:hi:

[bullwinkle428]

91. Beautiful...now you've got other Obama supporters turning on you!!

:applause: :applause: :applause:

Well played, sir!!

[Binka]

92. Why It Is Still Here Tells Me The Mods Must Overwhelmed n/t

[LostinVA]

94. Do you like Tombstone Pizza

Troll.

[LTR]

97. Eat the granite cookie

[racaulk]

99. GOODBYE TROLL!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=213167

:rofl:

[Binka]

100. Finally what a shitdustbag.