Clinton opponents should bring up the Rich pardon

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

One of the most reprehensible decisons from the Clionton White House.

By freeing plankton like Rich, it was like one last middle finger to the progressive base they sold out time and time again. It sums up their time in power perfectly.

I'd love to see Bill and Hill spin their way out of that one. They've yet to ever explain what the hell that was about. It's indefensible.

And yes, it's fair game. She's running on her experience as a supposedly integral part of the administration, so she we can blame her for taking part in the bad as much as she takes credit for the good.

[gateley]

1. You just did. nt

[Auntie Bush]

7. Beat me to it!

[journalist3072]

2. Hillary Clinton is the one running for President. What does the Marc Richard pardon, a decision her

HUSBAND made, have to do with her?

She didn't make that decision. He did.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

3. but she was her 35 years of experience then, wasn't she?

It's amazing how when you bring this up, suddenly we're told she had no input on WH decisons.

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[indimuse]

10. more lame crap from BHO's supporters!

IF you did care about her 35 years of service and dedication..you would'nt make blatantly idiotic statements.

[babylonsister]

5. Sure, Hillary knew nothing, NOTHING! - - >

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4169802#4170199

[journalist3072]

8. If you have evidence that she was involved in deciding to pardon Marc Rich, post it. Otherwise,

STFU already!

[Auntie Bush]

15. In case you are confused or don't remember or don't want to or have had more than your share of

Kool-Aid.... Bill was president! He made the decisions! Hillary didn't!

Hillary was totally involved in every decision that was made for 8 years! That makes her very knowledgeable and well informed and experienced. (Obama wasn't even into politics and up to snuff about what was going on in those years) BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN EVERYTHING HE VOTED FOR OR DID WAS APPROVED BY HILLARY! Do you think she approved of that BJ (now I'm getting in the gutter with you) and is to blame for that decision too? No, only when it's convenient for your chance to bad mouth Hillary.

By the way...do you approve of everything your spouse thinks or says?
Would you like to be held responsible if he committed a crime etc? I think not. They are two very commonly involved people...but two DIFFERENT people. Hillary has always been more liberal than Bill. You wait and see. Be patient!

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

19. Well, lt's hear her opinion of it then

Let's bring it up.
And what about Rich's ties to the Rodham family?

[babylonsister]

21. Hon, you can't have it both ways. He made all the decisions, but she

was totally involved in every decision, yet she knew nothing about Rich's pardon. Uh huh. Who's drinking the kool aid? :eyes: Did I touch a nerve, BTW?

[Submariner]

4. Hillary in the WH will ALWAYS remind everyone of Bill's philandering

so on that alone she will be hammered by the right and she should just stay in the Senate. I'm not in the mood for 4 to 8 more years of late-night Clenis jokes, and more Clinton-based hate-radio garbage. It sux thinking about it.

Edwards/Obama 2008

[papau]

9. ? - a tax calculation case over a method used by all in the industry with only Rich hit

with criminal charges - because he was a Dem.

I agree - we all should bring up the Rich case - it fits the pattern of the DA firings under W.

Rich should have had to pay a massive fine - the way the others were required to pay.

But Rich had not been cleared for the favorable accounting attempt by the CIA - he was an outsider in the oil industry.

Ya - this should be brought up.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

17. Rich is scum. This was hardly the first of his wrongdoing, either.

Look up sometime how he fucked over steelworkers in my home state of WVa in a little town called Ravenswood.

Of all the people Bill could have pardoned, this guy was deserving?

And then there's the matter of Hillary's family being tied to the guy.

Sure...she had nothing to do with any of this.
Why hasn't she ever commented on it?

[papau]

23. Scum" doesn't send you to jail - there was no reason for jail beyond being a Democrat - and

Since when is the scenario a new one

Kaiser had sold the facility to a privately held company, the Ravenswood Aluminum Corporation at a price that assumed the buyer would demanded wholesale changes to the labor contract, insisting upon lower labor costs, fewer seniority rights, and more labor flexibility.

Rich owning RAC actually helped the Steelworkers as they could embarrass customers and get them to stop buying product much more easily by pointing to Rich's evil tax evasion and his selling of oil to embargoed by the US countries via a subsidiary (again something all the oil companies were doing). It is great the Steelworkers won (I am a lapsed steel worker for US Steel's American Wire Works subsidiary and am strongly pro-union - but this is not about being pro or anti union).

Rich was sleaze - and it hurts to defend a sleazy billionaire - but if one is into fair treatment meaning same treatment for all, Rich got screwed.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

11. Bush made Clinton pardon Rich

Rich is a crook

[Dr Fate]

13. Maybe Bush "fooled" them into doing it. Yeah- thats it. n/t

n/t

[Dr Fate]

12. We will hear all about this and every other Clinton scandal, real and imagined soon enough...

...if we are stupid enough to give her the nomination.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

18. better to bring them up now

The left is justified in being outraged. It will be faux shock from the right, who behave like the Clibntons on these matters ... but since they own the media, it will get played nonstop til November

[Dr Fate]

29. It's not just "the left"- the moderates are having doubts too.

The non-DEM moderates, centrists, swing-voters and Bush fatigued Republicans are not going to put Hillary over the top in the general. Her perceived baggage is only one of the problems.

The perception, right or wrong of her being "corrupt" and invloved in various scandals is too easy for the GOP to play on- and the media will gleefully oblige.

[intheozone]

14. Can we talk about the Scooter nonparden parden while we are at it? nt

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

16. The one Hillary's righthand man, James Carville pushed for?

Sounds like a good topic

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

20. and incidentally, Libby was Rich's attorney

some great people these Clintons hang out with

A vote for Hillary is a nomination for four more years of Matalin/Carville clients

[CorpGovActivist]

22. KNPnta

[emilyg]

24. dumbdumbdumb.

[CyberPieHole]

25. Obama and Edwards should do just that at the next debate...Senator Clinton will kick their butts...

SHE'S the one running...regardless of what that mealy~mouthed slacker Obama may say...NOT BILL CLINTON. The candidate who runs against Bill Clinton's Presidency will be stamped as a fool and a whine~y ass worm. Obama's already whimpering about how the big mean man Clinton has been to him, let's see how well that plays. Just imagine what they would do to Obama if he made it to the primary. McCain would wipe the floor with him.

[hayu_lol]

26. While some of you have decided to bring up the matter of a pardon issued by a ...

former president, why have you not brought up the pardons issued by Daddy Bush for the criminals--real criminals by the way--of Iran Contra?

Any of you mudsuckers have an answer?

[AntiFascist]

27. then, while they're at it, bring up the Bush-Clinton connections in Iran-Contra n/t

[Dr Fate]

28. Actually, I hear about Bill Clinton giving Bush Sr. a pass on all those things all the time.

But in any event, why does bringing up what a Bush Sr. did have any relavance concerning the primaries or the general?

We attack Bush and talk about the crimes of the Bush family all the time. In fact, we want him impeached.

In case any of the "mudsuckers" on this thread didnt know it, "Bush did it too" isnt exactly the best defense.