Bill Clinton praises Karl Rove

[Blarch]

Do we need to know more ?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/14/AR2007081401722.html

It's amazing to me that DUers would support a candidate that would praise Karl Rove..,.It just blows my fucking mind.

[K Gardner]

1. Why would he not praise him? He's using Karl's playbook.

[Blarch]

3. And they are not ashamed of it...

Clinton's campaign manager, Patti Solis Doyle, seems to agree with that assessment, having effectively vowed to run her operation much as Rove did his two successful national campaigns. "She expresses admiration for the way George W. Bush's campaign team controlled its message, and, given her druthers, would run this race no differently," Michelle Cottle writes this month in New York magazine. " 'We are a very disciplined group, and I am very proud of it,' she says with a defiant edge."

They are proud to run their campaign like Rove would. Praise of Rove doesn't belong on the DU

[rinsd]

11. OMG running an on-message disciplined campaign! the horrors!

:rofl:

[Seen the light]

15. Is that really what you think Karl Rove did?

Come on...

[rinsd]

17. Is that not what Patty said?

:shrug:

[Seen the light]

21. She said more than that

"vowed to run her operation much as Rove did his two successful national campaigns."

"would run this race no differently"

That's troubling. And after what we've been seeing happen in SC, it's apparent that the campaign strategy is a mud-slinging Rove type one anyway.

[rinsd]

24. Sure that's what it means...

:eyes:

At least that's what Nicolle Wallace thinks. The former Bush White House communications director, who worked closely with Rove, said that Clinton "has almost operationalized the whole idea of turning your weakness into strength, message discipline that is almost pathological -- she does not get off message for any reason -- and never skipping an opportunity to exploit her opponent's weaknesses."

Clinton's campaign manager, Patti Solis Doyle, seems to agree with that assessment, having effectively vowed to run her operation much as Rove did his two successful national campaigns. "She expresses admiration for the way George W. Bush's campaign team controlled its message, and, given her druthers, would run this race no differently," Michelle Cottle writes this month in New York magazine. " 'We are a very disciplined group, and I am very proud of it,' she says with a defiant edge."

Message discipline. Never missing an opportunity to take a shot.

That is how the Clintons have run their respective campaigns.

[Alexander]

45. So you're praising Rove too. Got it.

All this time I mistook you for a real Democrat.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

23. Clintonrovebushclintonrovebush

see it all adds up

[Radical Activist]

2. This other qoute is much more troubling.

Maybe this was our glimpse into the future/now present...

Clinton's campaign manager, Patti Solis Doyle, seems to agree with that assessment, having effectively vowed to run her operation much as Rove did his two successful national campaigns. "She expresses admiration for the way George W. Bush's campaign team controlled its message, and, given her druthers, would run this race no differently," Michelle Cottle writes this month in New York magazine. " 'We are a very disciplined group, and I am very proud of it,' she says with a defiant edge."

[JackORoses]

4. Heavens to Murgatroyd!

"Just days after the November 2004 election, Bill Clinton pulled Rove aside at the dedication of the William J. Clinton Presidential Library in Arkansas. "Hey, you did a marvelous job, it was just marvelous what you did," Clinton told Rove, according to the book "The Way to Win: Taking the White House in 2008," by John F. Harris and Mark Halperin. "I want to get you down to the library. I want to talk politics with you. You just did an incredible job, and I'd like to really get together with you and I think we could have a great conversation.""

[Cant trust em]

5. The shoe is now on the other foot

I really hope that a lot of the people who gave Obama flack for the "republicans were the party of ideas" statement look hard in the mirror after reading this.

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[Pryderi]

10. So true! Obama never praised republican ideas, but Bill can applaud

Rove and it's ok?

[OneGrassRoot]

12. I agree...

I'm hesitant to full-on blast it since they were all secondary quotes, not direct quotes (I only scanned...didn't see direct quotes).

But, if there are direct quotes from ANYONE'S campaign manager praising Rove...damn...that would be just pitiful.

I'll say what I said about the Obama-Reagan flap: I'd rather our candidates not say anything about "those" people if they aren't going to diss them. Admiration coupled with any of those names - grudging or not - is a HUGE turn-off for me.

[City Lights]

30. I agree, but I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you. eom

[Tempest]

6. Clinton's right

Rove's campaign work for Bush, despite how negative it was, was brilliant.

[tekisui]

19. It was dishonest, exploitative and illegal at best.

[Tempest]

34. You left one out

Effective.

[bvar22]

58. What is the benefit if you gain the World,

but lose your soul?

The END does not justify the MEANS.

This educated LIBERAL votes NO to these campaign tactics, and to anyone who wants to legitimize them.
It is on the same level with the NeoCons and their idiot supporters who justified the mass murder of innocent Iraqis....
"Well, Saddam did it too!"

No Thanks!
No Sale!

See ya.
Wouldn't want to be ya!
:hi:

[D23MIURG23]

59. So was Stalinism. n/t

[David Zephyr]

7. And the Clintons lunch and are chummy with Rupert Murdoch.

And all of them supported the war in Iraq.

[rinsd]

8. Wow a whole month here and you're lecturing candidate supporters.

[JackORoses]

35. time on this board has no bearing on what a person can contribute

of course the Hillary-Uber-Innies think this is some sort of Lord of the Flies Pecking Order

pay no mind,
post your mind

;)

[rinsd]

36. So sayeth a cicada

[JackORoses]

39. Crickets and Cicadas sing a rare and different tune, Terrapin Station!

;)

[Barack_America]

13. Well done, Blarch... Tsk tsk Mr. Clinton.

Hoping this wouldn't surface before Super Tuesday, weren't you?

[HughMoran]

14. Bill Clinton is running again!?

:woohoo:

[Barack_America]

18. You usually have more clever comebacks. Shame.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

27. Yes. nt

[oasis]

16. So your mind is blown. Case closed. (eom)

[kimmerspixelated]

20. Maybe Bill is saying he endorses, "the math".

If so, in effect, even if HRC is sliding in the polls, it wouldn't matter, because the Clintons might employ the kind of folks that like to do "the math". You talk about truly disgusting!!! It does not make me feel better to introduce that thought, but anytime someone says they admire Rove, they are saying that they are for stolen elections cuz that's what Rove orchestrated!

[Blarch]

22. And look at this...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/12/18/bill-clinton-bush-sr-wil_n_77243.html

"Well, the first thing she intends to do, because you can do this without passing a bill, the first thing she intends to do is to send me and former President Bush and a number of other people around the world to tell them that America is open for business and cooperation again," Clinton said in response to a question from a supporter about what his wife's "number one priority" would be as president.


Do we really want this in the WH ?

Fuck, Hillary won't even promise to keep lobbyist out of her administration.

[Blarch]

25. Lets all remember the goal of the Rove tactics..

a permanent majority for the republicans.

So how are those tactics working out ? ...Do we want the Dems to use the same play book ?

[Stephanie]

28. The playbook reads: By Any Means Necessary.

That means lie, cheat and steal, it's all good.

[Indenturedebtor]

33. Machiavelli

You can see it in certain politicians' eyes, hear it in their voice, watch them brutalize their opponents on the campaign trail, listen to them speak without saying anything... from before she began her presidential run it's been obvious that she only cares about winning.

She's cold and calculating... no matter how many times she throws out that fake laugh, or talks about how much she loves shoes and chocolate I don't trust her. Something very primitive in me screams "snake liar" when I see her. Always has. I got the same feeling with our current corporatist pig in chief.

I don't trust her and neither does about 50% of the country. Hell neither does at least 50% of the dem party. The only reason she's doing well in the primaries is because the people that can't stand her are split up between the other candidates. No one elicits anywhere near as much fear and dislike as HRC.

Bring on the flames but I trust my gut on detecting shadiness. Doesn't always detect it but when I smell danger I listen to my feeling.

[Andromeda]

50. You know something?

You sound like you're about 12. Am I right? That's what my gut is telling me. I don't feel danger yet but the night is young.

[William769]

26. You posted in this thread and you felt the need to post it again?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4184603&mesg_id=4184603

[11 Bravo]

42. Grab a copy of DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) ...

and look up "pathological obsession". You probably will be unsurprised at who's picture you find.

[usregimechange]

29. Ha! Hillary style attack!

[City Lights]

31. Well, I guess we know what the "R" in "HRC" stands for.

:puke:

[ProSense]

32. Hillary on Reagan: "He played the balance and the music beautifully"

Hillary on Reagan: "He played the balance and the music beautifully"

[Blarch]

37. LOL

Praising Reagan, Praising Rove, Using Bush Sr. as a diplomat

I can see why the repubs would support her, but why in hell would a Dem support this BS ?

[LittleClarkie]

38. One problem with your OP. Bill isn't running.

But the article is disturbing.

[JackORoses]

40. oh, Bill is running, he just won't be the one taking the oath...

that would be Obama!

[Blarch]

43. Hillary is running

take a look at how her campaign is being run, the story is in the article

[Barack_America]

53. Then why is "Hillary's" campaign running radio ads talking about Bill's "achievements"? n/t

[JackORoses]

41. Bill was really excited that John Kerry was robbed, wasn't he?

He who lies with dogs gets fleas.

[Blarch]

44. Kickin for the Rove lovers

[RoveRage]

46. The guy's a piece of crap.

[Blarch]

47. You are insulting crap.

[RoveRage]

48. True, I apologize to crap the world over.

[TeamJordan23]

49. The 2008 race has showed us that the Clintons are no different than Karl Rove. nm

[cmkramer]

51. More nonsense from Obama supporters

What Bill said is no different than a coach telling a coach from the opposing team that he's gotta give it up to him in terms of how he managed to win when their team had the better players and the better strategy. He's not saying he's glad Bush won.

[Blarch]

52. The direct quotes are nonsense ?

[Cha]

54. THey don't give a shit what the bilarys do..

if they start praising the war and george bush again.. the bilarys would say.."If that's what it takes then we're all for it." Lockstep, of course.

[IndianaGreen]

55. Dick Morris was Bill Clinton's pimp for several months

They are all sleaze bags!

[angie_love]

56. well said

kick!

[OneBlueSky]

57. the more I hear from (and about) the Clinton's, the less I like them both . . .

I may vote for Hillary if she is the nominee . . . then again, I may not . . . imo, her policies would be closer to BushCo's than to FDR's, and that's exactly what this country does NOT need . . .

[D23MIURG23]

60. He hangs out with Bush 41 too.

This is why I won't support Hillary. Im against the neo-con corporatists regardless of the party they happen to be body-snatching.

:puke: