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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:41 PM
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The Clintons are in a free fall in SC
Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 05:47 PM by Perky
:woohoo:

48 HRS TO SC DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY -- Obama Flat, Clinton Down, Edwards Up: Two days till the South Carolina Democratic Primary, SurveyUSA finds Barack Obama at 45%, unchanged from a week ago; Hillary Clinton at 29%, down 7 from a week ago, and John Edwards at 22%, up 7 from a week ago. Research conducted for WSPA-TV Greenville and WCSC-TV Charleston. All interviews conducted after results of the Nevada Caucus were known. Among white voters today, Clinton and Edwards are effectively tied, 37% Clinton (down 13 points from last week) to 34% Edwards (up 8 points from last week). Upstate, all 3 candidates are within 8 points of each other. In the Midlands, Obama is 2:1 atop Clinton. In the Low County, Obama and Clinton are down, Edwards is up, but Obama still leads by 15 points. More than a third of Democrats are focused on the Economy as the most important issue for the next president. Of those, Obama is backed by 48%, Clinton by 29%, Edwards by 20%. Among black voters, Obama leads 73% to 18%. Among voters under 50, Obama leads by 24. Among voters age 50+, Obama leads by 8. South Carolina is one of very few, and possibly the only Democratic primary state, where Obama leads among female voters. In most other states, Clinton has a stranglehold on women. Here in SC, Clinton led Obama by 33 points among females in November, but today, Obama is 12 atop Clinton among women.

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=b85d0bd9-8207-4256-a67c-9a31b002b0b0
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:42 PM
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1. Hillary blew the debate.
She deserves to be in free fall.
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BringBigDogBack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:13 PM
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29. have to agree
kick for the good news
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:43 PM
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2. good news? any numbers?
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:44 PM
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5. JD has the link.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:47 PM
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10. lots of threads about various polls showing Edwards gaining and coming close to overtaking
Hillary in SC for second place. Zogby is one of them.
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:50 PM
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14. Never underestimate Bill Clinton
Remember N.H. and the college counties, when he pulled enough votes for Hillary to winn
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:56 PM
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21. It is a much larger state. and there is so little time.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:44 PM
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3. Lets hope this trend catches on in the rest of the states. Well-deserved.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:46 PM
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8. no kidding. let's hope they both fall on
their affluent deceitful asses from here on in.

not likely, as The Machine is on their side, but one can dream.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:44 PM
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4. Based on???
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dempartisan23 Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:45 PM
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6. will obama get 50%
lets hope so
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:48 PM
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12. No poll has shown him at 50%
so why should he?
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dempartisan23 Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 06:04 PM
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25. he is gaining support
50% is very possible.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:49 PM
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I think he is going to wind up with about 45%
If AA Voters come out in droves and this data is correct about women.....he might do it.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:49 PM
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13. I think he is going to wind up with about 45%
If AA Voters come out in droves and this data is correct about women.....he might do it.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:47 PM
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9. here you go.
Poll Date Sample Obama Clinton Edwards Spread
RCP Average 01/14 - 01/23 - 39.2 27.2 16.8 Obama +12.0
SurveyUSA 01/22 - 01/23 685 LV 45 29 22 Obama +16.0
Reuters/CSpan/Zogby 01/21 - 01/23 811 LV 39 24 19 Obama +15.0
Clemson 01/15 - 01/23 LV 27 20 17 Obama +7.0
Rasmussen 01/21 - 01/21 624 LV 43 28 17 Obama +15.0
Mason-Dixon 01/14 - 01/16 400 LV 40 31 13 Obama +9.0
Insider Advantage 01/14 - 01/15 400 LV 41 31 13 Obama +10.0


and this
48 HRS TO SC DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY -- Obama Flat, Clinton Down, Edwards Up: Two days till the South Carolina Democratic Primary, SurveyUSA finds Barack Obama at 45%, unchanged from a week ago; Hillary Clinton at 29%, down 7 from a week ago, and John Edwards at 22%, up 7 from a week ago. Research conducted for WSPA-TV Greenville and WCSC-TV Charleston. All interviews conducted after results of the Nevada Caucus were known. Among white voters today, Clinton and Edwards are effectively tied, 37% Clinton (down 13 points from last week) to 34% Edwards (up 8 points from last week). Upstate, all 3 candidates are within 8 points of each other. In the Midlands, Obama is 2:1 atop Clinton. In the Low County, Obama and Clinton are down, Edwards is up, but Obama still leads by 15 points. More than a third of Democrats are focused on the Economy as the most important issue for the next president. Of those, Obama is backed by 48%, Clinton by 29%, Edwards by 20%. Among black voters, Obama leads 73% to 18%. Among voters under 50, Obama leads by 24. Among voters age 50+, Obama leads by 8. South Carolina is one of very few, and possibly the only Democratic primary state, where Obama leads among female voters. In most other states, Clinton has a stranglehold on women. Here in SC, Clinton led Obama by 33 points among females in November, but today, Obama is 12 atop Clinton among women.

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=b85d0bd9-8207-4256-a67c-9a31b002b0b0
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:51 PM
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15. Thanks! :)
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:46 PM
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7. I think California will be a nice cushion.
:-)
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Uben Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:48 PM
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11. Along with Ohio
Those two biggies will be hard for all the others to overcome, and Clinton has them both wrapped up.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:51 PM
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17. Ohio won't vote until March 4th.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:53 PM
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19. I saw polling on here today saying that it was down to about 5%
difference in California. I think more likely it is around 10% Bit I am not sure she does not lose some support to Edwards if Edwards finishes a strong second.


I think Hillary will win CA...but it will be close..... and at a point it is really about delegates and she might come out with 0 more than anyone else. Hardly a huge victory. But as I try to remind folks. Every last delegat is importand because this thing is going to a second ballot in Denver.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:18 PM
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30. you are forgetting the lesson of Nevada
Even though Hillary won the major population center,
Obama won more delegates because his support was widespread and it included many Independents.

He can do the same in California. The Primary is Open and the Delegates are awarded proportionally.

Hillary did not plan on an opponent who could do this.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:23 PM
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32. That certainly could happen. I keep saying Obama still has a good chance to win it.
:-)
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:51 PM
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16. The Sun News of Myrtle Beach endorsed Hillary today.
Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 05:51 PM by Maribelle
N.Y. senator best suited to argue Democrats' case


http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/opinion/story/325218.html
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:52 PM
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18. Undecided at 1%? BS, surveyusa must be pushinbg leaners.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:55 PM
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20. We agree on little...But we agree on that.
There is always 10% undecided. But my sense is that they will probably break for Edwards.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:58 PM
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22. I think Edwards is going to do well in SC
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:59 PM
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23. Obama did win woman in Iowa.
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:11 PM
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28. Just one?
:shrug:
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:17 PM
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31. Well they do vote in mass
just kidding.
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 06:00 PM
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24. Thats great.....because when hrc goes west you will see a
different type of campaigning from both clintons.....they accomplished what they needed to in sc.....they kept obama there all week while hrc went across the country picking up endorsements and having big rallys all teh while bill was in sc getting under the skin of obama.....
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liskddksil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 06:04 PM
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26. That strategy presumes that she finished second
However, polling especialy the Zogby poll has Edwards leading her by 8 points with just yesterdays sample.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:07 PM
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27. kick
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