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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:13 PM
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Billary trying to avoid a disasterous 3rd place SC finish, returning to state earlier than intended
per a Joe Erwin memo:

Thu Jan 24 2008 11:22:05 ET
CAMPAIGN MEMO: Hillary Clinton going all out to win in South Carolina
To: Interested Parties
Fr: Joe Erwin, Obama supporter, Former South Carolina Democratic Party Chair

There’s an old South Carolina saying that goes like this – some people would rather climb a tree to tell a fib than stand on the ground and tell the truth. The truth is Hillary Clinton’s campaign is pulling out all the stops to win in South Carolina. And it includes saying and doing just about anything to win.

Judge the Clinton campaign on their actions rather than their spin:

· On Monday, Clinton’s own state chairman, Don Fowler, publicly stated that despite negative ratings in the 40s, Hillary Clinton would win South Carolina. The day before, Fowler said “I’m confident with the kind of campaign we’re running, next week we’re going to win.”

· The Clinton campaign has made a long-term investment in South Carolina starting 7 months ago, opening offices across the state and hiring over 100 staff, in addition to importing scores of staff from Iowa and Nevada.

· Just before Christmas, the Clinton campaign brought in Steve Bouchard, nationally renowned political and field expert, to take over the South Carolina operation.

· The Clinton campaign has spent well over $135,000 on consultants like State Senator Darrell Jackson specifically to compete for votes in South Carolina’s African-American community.

· Hillary Clinton has the support of former Governor Richard Riley, former Congressman Butler Derrick and dozens of state legislators and local officials. They are pulling out all the stops to win.

· In the last week, the Clinton campaign nearly doubled their TV buy, expanding from spending about $236,000 on a mostly cable TV buy to more than $414,000 on wall-to-wall broadcast TV in every major market in the state.

· On Wednesday, the Clinton campaign launched a dishonest statewide radio ad falsely attacking Barack Obama. It’s the first negative ad aired by any Democratic presidential campaign in South Carolina this year.

· South Carolina women are getting calls from the National Organization for Women (NOW) deliberately distorting Barack Obama’s record on women’s issues, just as the Clinton campaign and their allies did in Iowa, New Hampshire and Nevada.

· At stop after stop, Bill Clinton repeated attacks on the Obama health care plan, remarks on Ronald Reagan and record of opposing the war in Iraq that experts like Robert Reich and media outlets like factcheck.org and the Washington Post have shown to be false.

· Despite the fact that 59% of the expected turnout in the January 26 Democratic primary will be women, the Clinton campaign somehow argues that Hillary Clinton cannot win in South Carolina because of her gender.

· Public polling just a few weeks ago showed Hillary Clinton with a strong lead in South Carolina. (Clinton led Obama 45-31% in AP/Pew Research poll, November 7-25; Led 45-21% in ARG poll November 26-29; and led 42-34% in a CNN poll, December 9-12.) Now that her lead has evaporated, the Clinton campaign claims she can’t win here.

· Now, the Clinton campaign will bring Hillary herself back to the state earlier than they previously planned, with a major economic policy address scheduled today in Greenville and a massive rally planned for Friday night in Charleston with both Bill and Hillary Clinton.
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:16 PM
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1. Today's Thursday
I thought Hillary had planned to go to SC on Thursday since at least last week.

We should differentiate between the candidates, but I just posted in another thread that I think we should try not to be inflammatory because I think all 3 of our candidates would make a good president. I don't think any of the Repub candidates would be a good president.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:17 PM
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5. I thought it was Friday she had planned to return.
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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:15 PM
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38. yup
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:16 PM
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2. I was wondering if she would be back earlier because it's one thing to come in second but
a real setback to come in third.
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:17 PM
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3. Er no


I knew the night of the debate she was leaving the next day and would be back Thursday, so stop lying.

It was always the plan.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:17 PM
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4. that's wild
considering, I think, she left S.C. because she figured Obama would win. It almost has to be she's feeling Edwards closing in on her second place standing in the polls.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:20 PM
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10. oh boy, I hope Edwards can trump over her.
it would certainly make the race more interesting.
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:21 PM
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12. It's about the delegates, as you people keep saying. Hillary is ahead 3 states to 1.....
But that's not what counts. It's the delegates. Eh?
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:18 PM
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6. Hillary and troops prepare to return to South Carolina
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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:19 PM
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7. lol
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:21 PM
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11. Please avoid the inflammatory pix and comments
for our Dem candidates.

I will support your candidate in the general. I may even vote for your candidate in the primary. So, please don't make me so angry that I go to one of the other excellent candidates in the primary.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:23 PM
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15. it's just a joke
I'll be voting Hillary if she's the nominee.
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:47 PM
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31. Thanks for your response, Magic Rat
Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 01:48 PM by Frances
I appreciate it.

Edited to add Magic Rat's name
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DallasCowboy Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:23 PM
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14. Clinton's friendship with the Bushes doesn't get criticized as much as Obama mentioning Reagan
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:39 PM
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28. Texas bull.........
Clinton's "friendship" with the Bushes had to do with buddying up with Bush 41 and raising money for tsunami relief - and very successfully.

Quit demeaning such a noble effort with pathetic political poo-poo.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:20 PM
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8. You MISSED THE MEMO--it was Monday or tuesday C. campaign said she
would be back in sc friday--or maybe thrus. Edwards made a boo boo also
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:20 PM
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9. BIG QUESTION: Which one of The Illustrious Clintonian Duo will play "EVITA" this time?
;)
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:22 PM
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13. The Clinton campaign of subterfuge:
Give the impression you are conceding the SC primary and then have your cadre of winged monkeys turning SC upside down to win and win dirty.

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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:24 PM
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16. Winged monkeys?!?
Sent out by the Wicked Witch, right? Ugh.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:27 PM
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17. self delete
Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 01:30 PM by rinsd
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:28 PM
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18. Barack Hussein Obama is expected to win in SC...it won't be a surprise if he does...
Do you have a link for your "memo"?
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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:32 PM
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20. Like typing his middle name huh?
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:42 PM
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29. You typed "Billary"...it's just par for the course...
Besides, Hussein is his middle name. I'm just keepin it real.:evilgrin:
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:29 PM
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19. Obama's campaign creative math where 1 1/2 to 2 1/2 months = a few weeks
Public polling just a few weeks ago showed Hillary Clinton with a strong lead in South Carolina. (Clinton led Obama 45-31% in AP/Pew Research poll, November 7-25; Led 45-21% in ARG poll November 26-29; and led 42-34% in a CNN poll, December 9-12.) Now that her lead has evaporated, the Clinton campaign claims she can’t win here.

I guess that explains why they think 2 1/2 years in the Senate = experience.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:34 PM
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21. This is nothing but more B.S.
Any one of us involved in her campaign knew that Thursday she was planning to be back in SC, she did NOT return earlier than planned.

I saw last night in NJ and she was received very enthusiastically. I got to shake her hand a couple of times and she was warm and charming to everybody. BTW, she's even prettier up close than on TV.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:35 PM
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23. EXACTLY. but the smear monkeys will continue unabated. nt
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:51 PM
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34. We were pissed we couldn't make the gig
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:35 PM
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22. This is classic. She leaves SC when it's of no use to her but
comes back earlier in order to avoid personal political embarassment.

She is shameless and does not deserve to be the nominee.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:37 PM
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27. Oh no, she is shamelessly running a campaign to win.
How dare she?
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jkshaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:48 PM
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32. What's the average age of the posters
on this board? 11? 12? Winged monkeys? Smear Monkeys?

And Sunonmars, unsane wasn't "lying," he posted a memo written by someone else.
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Pathwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:36 PM
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24. Splitting couple's names is what teenage girls do.
Anyone else doing it is more than creepy. You lost me at the first word.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:36 PM
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25. "Billary", I have never heard that spoken by a progressive, just freepers
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:52 PM
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35. Me either -- shocking how many posters are using it on here
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Magleetis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:36 PM
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26. You must really hate
HRC to call her that right wing slur.
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:42 PM
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30. It is over for her.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:50 PM
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33. Ah, "Billary" -- memories of the RW memes of the 90's
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:53 PM
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36. "Billary" Do you think that makes you look smart?
I would tell you what it makes you look like, but it is against DU Rules.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:54 PM
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37. who's Billary? Joe Momma? nt.
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