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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 10:38 AM Original message |
Bill Clinton is not a racist and has no need to play the "race card". |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
1. The whole 'Bill Clinton is a racist' crap just doesn't fly. nt |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 10:44 AM Response to Reply #1 |
10. a campaign can subtly evoke racist emotions in the voters' subconscious without overtly |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 11:13 PM Response to Reply #10 |
65. how can using racist tactics in a campaign not be racist? |
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GodlessBiker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 10:47 AM Response to Reply #1 |
14. Clinton will use race to divide and conquer. That's what is despicable. |
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Bullet1987 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
2. I don't think he's a racist...but you have to be looking at two versions |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 12:14 PM Response to Reply #2 |
50. I think both campaigns have done some stupid sh*t. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 12:32 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Yes. I like them both and I wish they'd stop it. Right now. nt |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 12:37 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. It's troubling as the groups that may end up divided are essential for us |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
3. Has no need? Hillary's flagging campaign numbers suggest otherwise. |
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KennedyGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 10:40 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. the only race card in this campaign has been played by Obama |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 10:45 AM Response to Reply #4 |
11. Obama has not ever played the race card. The only release out of the Obama campaign regarding race |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 12:34 PM Response to Reply #4 |
52. great for edwards |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 10:43 AM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Hillary's "flagging campaign numbers" suggest... |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 10:47 AM Response to Reply #8 |
12. That's an overly-simplistic view of political strategy. |
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1corona4u (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 11:06 AM Response to Reply #12 |
29. They tried to paint him as a 'black candidate'? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 11:20 AM Response to Reply #29 |
38. Yes, he's black--but his campaign has presented itself as post-racial, not black-aligned. |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 11:22 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. At least until he got to South Carolina... |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 11:23 AM Response to Reply #39 |
41. At which point Clinton decided racial politics would be the best form of damage control. |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 11:25 AM Response to Reply #41 |
44. No doubt, they both want the black vote in SC... |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 11:28 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. And once the Clinton campaign saw that Obama was walking away with it, she decided to spin it |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 12:36 PM Response to Reply #45 |
53. Spinning it racially was how Obama managed to start walking away with SC |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 10:59 PM Response to Reply #53 |
64. Tom you ave spoken the truth on this issue. It will all become clear in two weeks |
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indimuse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 11:35 AM Response to Reply #12 |
48. Michelle Obama and the Slumbering Black Masses..black America will "wake up and get it" and support |
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1corona4u (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 10:41 AM Response to Original message |
5. Oh come on now... |
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HeraldSquare212 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
6. But he'll act like one if that's what it takes to win. nt |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
7. Then he should stop bringing it up. People are |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
9. Bill Clinton is a consummate politician |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 10:47 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. No doubt, he feels that he and Hillary deserve the black vote... |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 11:25 AM Response to Reply #13 |
43. Clinton is attempting to |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 10:47 AM Response to Reply #9 |
15. Perfect |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 12:41 PM Response to Reply #9 |
55. And the Obama camp knows quite well how to tap into |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
16. Clinton used racism in 1992 in South Carolina with the "Sister Souljah" tactic |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 10:55 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Frankly, Sister Souljah deserved everything she got. Her words were atrocious. |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 11:05 AM Response to Reply #19 |
27. Thanks for the perspective. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 11:08 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. The full context of her remarks, if anyone's interested. |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 11:09 AM Response to Reply #19 |
31. What was odd was that he brought the issue up when going into South Carolina |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 11:17 AM Response to Reply #31 |
35. More trash from her. |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 02:24 PM Response to Reply #19 |
60. yes, I do recall some of that speech. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 10:42 PM Response to Reply #19 |
62. Exactly. She spouted incendiary crap. nt |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
17. It was just like using MCclurkin in S.C. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 10:58 AM Response to Reply #17 |
20. But only in the sense that, technically, |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
18. he's not a racist. he is using the Souther Strategy |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 10:58 AM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Why are so many blacks supporting Obama? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 10:59 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. They're frankly disgusted with the racial politics of the Clintons. |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 11:01 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. That's rather simplistic.. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 11:03 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Simplistic questions get simplistic answers. A fuller answer: |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 11:04 AM Response to Reply #21 |
25. What has Obama done? He spent years working to improve |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 11:15 AM Response to Reply #25 |
34. But the income disparities were more equalized under Clinton... |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 11:18 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Because they prefer Barack Obama to Hillary Clinton, much as Iowans did. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 11:37 AM Response to Reply #34 |
49. Someone started that silly meme. Was it Maya Angelou? |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 02:16 PM Response to Reply #21 |
57. Unlike women, black voters do vote as a bloc, not necessarily based on the race... |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
26. Thank you for the perspective. It was needed. |
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izzybeans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
28. He's not a racist he's a political opportunist. |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
32. Obama is not a racist and has no need to play the "race card". n/t |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 10:44 PM Response to Reply #32 |
63. He does - to survive SC. If he loses it, he's out. The race isue upfront rallied the troops |
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Arkansas Granny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 11:11 AM Response to Original message |
33. From what I've seen, it seems to be the media who is playing the |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 11:18 AM Response to Reply #33 |
36. You may be onto something there. |
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Arkansas Granny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 11:33 AM Response to Reply #36 |
47. IMO, someone who votes for Hillary just because she is a woman |
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indimuse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
40. It's very simple.. |
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DemCam (911 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
42. He isn't...but am sick, sick, SICK of this distraction |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 11:29 AM Response to Original message |
46. So why are we talking about Bill Clinton? I thought this was |
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MethuenProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
56. Obama is trying to Swiftboat Clinton on Race |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 02:21 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Correct! |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 02:26 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. yes, I believe you are right. |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
59. Thanks for the post |
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