Obama has voted for $300 billion in war funding since 2005. Its his war as much...

[IndianaJones]

as it is Clinton's or Edwards'.

Kucinich stands alone as the anti-war candidate. Obama supporters attempts to paint him as being in the same arena as Dennis on Iraq is laughable.

[ccpup]

1. Obama pushed the wrong button

besides, he meant to be campaigning or down with the stomach flu those days anyway :evilgrin:

[IndianaJones]

3. when running for his Senate seat he said he would vote against Bush request for 87 billion...

then when he's elected, he proceeds to vote for funding.

[redqueen]

16. What? Are you serious?

[IndianaJones]

19. it was a big part of his Senate campaign. nt

[redqueen]

23. *sigh*

See... but you have that lady going around saying he's "100% honest"... this kind of crap is just... ARGH!

[ccpup]

29. as was his promise to serve a Full Term

before running for President.

Can't blame pressing the wrong button on THAT broken promise, can you?

[ursi]

26. How much has Hillary voted for?

[William769]

4. Once again!

Would it help if we color coat them for him?

[MNDemNY]

2. Yes, he is in it as deep as the others.

I hope they keep fighting. Onward to a brokered convention.gobam, go hillary.

[rodeodance]

5. Its a Bush/Repug war--they own it.

[MNDemNY]

7. Then why are "Democrats" paying for it?

[I work for workers]

28. Don't kid yourself.

This war was approved of by Democrats, funded by Democrats, and is now being perpetuated by Democrats to protect our chances in 08.

[rodeodance]

34. We need to keep the onus on the Repugs.

[TwilightGardener]

6. Bullshit. Senators who don't want to fall into the defunding trap don't "own" the war--

the GOP does. I don't agree with defunding.

[IndianaJones]

8. So when he said he would not have voted for funding while running for the Senate he was lying? nt.

[TwilightGardener]

11. Maybe he changed his mind? I don't know. Defunding is drastic, and

understandably, many don't want to go there--unintended consequences and all. I do know he opposed the war, which is good enough judgment for me. Getting in is easy. Getting us out is proving very difficult.

[MoonRiver]

9. Well, and succinctly said!

:kick: & :thumbsup: for truth!

[patrice]

10. Actually, it belongs to all of us, even to folks like me, who went into the streets

in the Summer of 2002, to fight it . . . too late!!!

Situations such as what we are in are the result of millions of "little" mistakes and crimes that, in this case, put GW in the WH and placed the WRONG people in Congress.

So pointing fingers is BULLSHIT!

The real questions are what have we learned and what are we going to do about what we've learned.

[Fabio]

17. Right.

[patrice]

33. And the crazy thing about that is . . .

There's no way of knowing that the "little" things that I did or didn't do are/were any less significant than the "bigger" things that others did or didn't do.

In the great scheme of things that add up to Change, if something is "little" and easily done, or not done, how does that compare to the "larger", much harder, things that other people are called to do or not do, sometimes in very destructive situations?

[HeraldSquare212]

12. "My candidate made a mess but your candidate didn't clean it up so it's all his fault"

Who do you expect will clean up Hillary's messes if she wins the presidency?

[cali]

13. Actually... NOT.

Not anymore than it's Kennedy's war or Byrd's or Pat Leahy's or others who were passionately against the war.

[indimuse]

32. Last I checked..

They aren't running for President Of The US...on a theme as THE ANTI WAR Candidate...with all his little followers repeating that HE was the ONLY one who didn't vote for the war....well..DUH! He was Not a US Senator at the time...Though since being in the Senate he has voted YES to ALL WAR FUNDING which would give ANYONE FAIR MINDED reason to believe ...IF he were in the US Senate at the time of vote he would have voted the same way Hillary did...Unless of course he just decided to go vacation like he did in Chicago! Obama has VOTED YES FOR THE IRAQU WAR!! The resolution was one thing ..but to give more money TO HALIBURTON knowingly is ANOTHER!

[Benhurst]

14. Shh! Isn't it bad enough we've stopped

believing in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy, and now you want to take away our Hope, as well as our belief in in Change and the New Politics?

Jeez! Times are tough. We need some feel-good rhetoric, not someone peeing on our parade with ugly realities.

[IndianaJones]

15. haven't you heard...voting for more funding IS opposing the war. Duh. nt.

[izzybeans]

18. This is Bush's war. Let's remember that.

Some were too naive to call Bush on his bluff on the original resolution. The rest of the anti-war candidates didn't want our troops to be held hostage by the Chimperor, Obama and Clinton, included. Clinton just didn't have the clear judgement to begin with to understand that she was being lied to or even worse she was pandering to the blood thirsty for political support.

You are right about Kucinich though. He's the only one that has done this correct the whole way through.

Still doesn't change that this is Bush's war.

[abburdlen]

24. Can't argue with that nt

[Pawel K]

20. Oh please, you can't be serious.

I'm hardly a Obama supporter but you are delusional if you are going to try and sit here and tell us, with a streight face, that Obama has as much responsibility for this war as Clinton.

Obama was against this war from the start. This was an unpopular but correct position at the time. You should be praising him for that, not pulling this bullshit. Was he wrong for voting for all that funding? Sure. As Clinton was wrong. And as Edwards was wrong. And as most of the demcrats in congress were wrong. But at least he was right when he was against this war from the start, unlike Clinton or Edwards.

Seriously, I used to think this kind of dishonesty was reserved for the right wing. You should be ashamed of yourself.

[itsrobert]

21. Didn't Obama campaign for Senate on not going to fund the war?

I heard his website was scrubbed to remove that particular "campaign promise">

[IndianaJones]

25. he did. said he would not have voted for funding. nt.

[itsrobert]

27. So it's not the first time a Candidate has promise something and not delivered

I can understand not delivering on getting a bill through after putting up a good fight. But all he had to do is vote no on this and he couldn't even keep that promise.

[MethuenProgressive]

31. Yes, But that was just to get elected. So it was OK to lie, according to Obama.

:eyes:

[dkf]

22. Clinton voted for the war period. $2 Trillion.

[MethuenProgressive]

30. The media has created a Fairy Tale about Obama's "anti-Iraq War" claims.

And ObamaNation's too besotted to see.

[jackson_dem]

35. Yup

[Pawel K]

40. I guess the more you repeat a lie the more it sitcks

There was no fairytale, he was against this war from the start. You're doing a great job speading these lies. No matter how many times your people are proved wrong you keep repeating the same lies and eventually it starts sticking. You and everyone else doing this bullshit should be proud.

[robbedvoter]

36. He wasn't aware he didn't vote "no"...That, or it's the Clenis' fault

[AtomicKitten]

37. Really? I could have sworn the IWR was the blank check Congress issued Junior

that Junior cashed. Hillary and Edwards both voted YES on the IWR while Obama was speaking out against the impending war at an anti-war rally in 2002.

Funding was a responsibility thrust upon Obama as a direct result of Hillary and Edwards giving Junior the green light.

Obama was right on the war in excruciating detail from the beginning, Hillary and Edwards dead wrong. And this is where judgment trumps so-called experience.

[IndianaJones]

38. so he funded the war because he was against it? nt.

[AtomicKitten]

39. he funded the war having assumed that responsibility from those that started the war

And that distinction resonates large regardless of the Clinton camp's nonstop campaign, and they thank you for your efforts at subterfuge here at DU, of mis/disinformation. And in that regard, carry on.

[Pawel K]

41. Those people are fucking sick

no better than the right wing we have all fought so hard against. They spread these lies knowingly with no regrets.

[LittleClarkie]

42. Not any more he doesn't

DK is out.

I don't care how much war funding either of them voted for. I want to know what they will do once they're in office.