Harpootlian and Obama, and the Atwater lie they are trying to spread

[Maribelle]

Bill Clinton was asked by CNN about this. And he responded objectively. So MSM shows clips all night conveniently omitting the Obama Campaign filth.


Dick Harpootlian, an Obama supporter and prominent South Carolina Democrat, told CNN that the former president is exploiting race. Harpootlian went so far as to compare Clinton to Lee Atwater, the South Carolina native who mastered negative politics for Republicans, including the Willie Horton ad campaign that helped George H. W. Bush beat Michael Dukakis in 1988.

[elleng]

1. Reference/link

available?

[Maribelle]

3. It is showing up in many places. Here is a link to the Boston Globe.

I wonder what Kerry and Kennedy think of this?


Sixth paragraph down here:

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/01/24/some_think_ex_president_stooping_on_campaign_trail/?page=2

[gaiilonfong]

7. What Kerry thinks?

He just sent out a bulk email to his list talking about swiftboating, and HOW Obma is being swiftboated with a under the surface caveat that it is being done by the Clintons....so he knows they are pulling Atwater/Rove crap.

[Maribelle]

12. Swiftboating was not Atwater. Atwater was Willie Horton. (n/t)

[gaiilonfong]

13. Atwater was Roves TRAINER and Guru n/t

[Maribelle]

15. You've got that totally backwards.

Would you care to pretend again?

[gaiilonfong]

18. Oh Really Rover was Atwaters protege'

THIS IS A FACT

[Maribelle]

21. Rove was in Texas dirtying things up for the Bushies before there was Atwater.

That is a fact.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/campaigns/wh2000/stories/rove072399.htm

[GalleryGod]

35. Southwest Florida has any Democrats?

Speaking of pretending...

[Maribelle]

36. lol One or two.

In 2004 I worked on the get-out-the-vote campaign down here for Kerry and Edwards. My team was targeting registered democrats in Hispanic neighborhoods. They were quite receptive.

[Marrah_G]

38. Lots of retired New Englanders down there now.

My folks are in Bonita Spring and they say there are LOTS of people from here living in their area now.

[elleng]

31. Right.

Atwater was DEAD, for swiftcrapping.

He and Rover had 'talents,' and they found eachother. All of those talents belong to Reps. Bill C is smart, now sleazy, imo.

We shouldn't magnify what someone said into a great big deal, as has been done so much lately. Reps just LOVE that Dems do such, and eat 'their' own.

[elleng]

34. Meant Bill C

smart, NOT sleazy. Sorry for typo.

[1corona4u]

40. So, Kerry's bucking for VP...

Makes sense to me...

[karynnj]

41. There is no under the surface anything that it is being done by the Clintons

The email speaks of the email that is circulating. The closest that gets to the Clintons is that three of their staffers or volunteers circulated it. We know this because they were kicked out because they did it.

There is an under the surface connection to the Clintons only if you believe they are doing these things.

[flordehinojos]

2. the obama derriere is obviously lauded by the press ... and the press is doing to the clinton's a

number eight (which in the hispanic parlance means they are not playing fair with the clintons).
norah o'donnell loves to beat up on the clintons.
wolf blitzer loves to beat up on the clintons.
tweety matthews loves to beat up on the clintons.
seems like rachel maddow and keith olberman too, don't miss a beat, about beating up on the clintons.

my God ... with so much outright spin ... it is a wonder anyone of us can keep with our own sanity!

[LandOLincoln]

10. Yep, ain't in wonderful how the MSM is showering all this love

on a real Democrat all of a sudden? That'll show those dirty, corporatist Clintons, won't it?

As for me, I'm feeling downright inspired now the media's on our side at long last.

No, really.... :eyes:

[cali]

4. No sale.

It's clear to me that the Clintons are using a slightly watered down version of the Southern Strategy. And it's not just Hartpootlian who's verbalizing it.

[H2O Man]

5. A significant number

of democrats -- and not just Obama supporters -- believe that Bill Clinton is using ugly, divisive tactics.

[Maribelle]

8. Please objectively name even one.

divisive "trick"

[H2O Man]

24. Well, I will be

happy to, but first I'd like you to explain your use of the word "objectively"? How would you make the distinction between my naming "even one" in the context of "objective" versus "subjective"? I am sure that you appreciate that words do have meanings, and that some of the confusion that takes place on DU is due to people using words in an improper manner. There are times when people attempt to use a word in such a way that it is apparent that are merely bluffing, in an attempt to cover up the fact that they have little of substance to say.

[Maribelle]

26. lol I would make the distinction between objectively and subjectively.

not objective versus subjective

[H2O Man]

27. Yet you wrote

"objectively" in post #8. I'll even "cut and paste" it:

8. Please objectively name even one.

Your turn.

[H2O Man]

29. Still waiting ....

8. Please objectively name even one.

24. Well, I will be happy to, but first I'd like you to explain your use of the word "objectively"?

[Maribelle]

6. So you support the Atwater slam? So you support the Obama campaign implying a Willy Horton trick?

Obama and his supporters should be absolutely ashamed. But with Okie Doke Obama, up is down and down is up.

[gaiilonfong]

11. the amount of below the surface racism on this site

IS FRIGHTENING

[Maribelle]

14. Oh, so now it is BELOW the surface racism.

Can you give an example?

[gaiilonfong]

17. fiqure it out yourself

there are plenty of examples of the kind of words that are used to describe certain candidates.
You don't want to believe it DON'T....but I see it and I am calling it out.

[Maribelle]

19. I do not agree with your "below the surface" pomp.

You're totally missing my point. Sorry.

[LandOLincoln]

20. So a man who uses a RW talking point as a sig line

now claims to be "frightened" by all the "below the surface racisim" on a Democratic site?

So sorry--some of us are not the least bit fooled by the Obama campaign's Rovian tactics. Nice try, though.

[gaiilonfong]

22. NO SALE

Bill Clinton DID SAY exactly that...that is NOT a RW talking point, so spin it all you want...It is my sig until Billy stops his lies....
Get used to it

[LandOLincoln]

39. It's a RW talking point because only a RW pervert would consider what

Bill did with Monica to be sexual relations. Those of us who know what real sex is, know Bill & Monica's frolic is more properly termed "fooling around" or, at best, "foreplay."

But you just keep on diddlin' your falafels, Mr. Orally. Whatever floats yer boat... :rofl:

[karynnj]

42. Actually many perfectly good Democrats did

In fact, you would not be so sensitive to Clinton's most famous words if you did not. I would bet that HRC did.

[LandOLincoln]

45. Many perfectly good Democrats lack anything resembling a sense of

humor, too.

Just sayin' ;-)

[karynnj]

48. Ok, I take this to mean your comment was in jest and that

you actually do realize that in the words likely to go down in history as Bill Clinton's most remembered words - he is shamelessly lying?

This has been a Clinton ploy - any thing negative ever said about them is simply a right wing talking point. Many are. Not all are completely untrue.

[gaiilonfong]

43. bwaaahahahahahahaha n/t

[gaiilonfong]

9. Cali you nailed it n/t

[Maribelle]

16. Sorry - Hartpootlian did not mention that anything was watered down.

You're making that up.

[cali]

23. I said it, genius.

Get a fucking clue: I never said Hartpootlian said it. That's MY opinion, and I have every right to it, even if YOU don't like it.

[Maribelle]

25. You said: And it's not just Hartpootlian who's verbalizing it

I know you're so busy smearing Hillary you're having a hard time keeping up with your own posts, you poor thing.

[cali]

28. oh, ducky

Can you read with any comprehension at all? Yes, other dems and observers have come to the same conclusion about the Clintons using the Southern Strategy. Do a google seach, cupcake. I'm the one who said I think it's watered down. Really not that hard to figure out, dumpling.

And I don't smear Hillary or Bill. I've defended her so often I was regularly called a "hillbot" around these parts. YOU on the other hand, are a busy little bopper with your "predictions" about Obama and other slime, honeybunch.

[Skidmore]

30. Absolutely.

Shades of Nixon Reduxe. And a sorry place for the Democratic Party to be brought to in the 21st century. Anyone who supports the restoration of the Dixiecrat mentality is hellbent on destroying the gains in civil rights during the Sixties.

[indimuse]

32. It's time for Obama to step down and ..

retract ALL accusations regarding race to the Clintons..He is HIGHLY dangerous to America and the Dem party! Worse than Bush ...he is the Ultimate divider...and F*cking shameless! What he is doing to President Clinton is worse than RW attacks during his Presidency ...I will NOT, nor my entire family...Vote for Obama EVER.. now! I fact we are now uniting to expose his fraud! From CA...NY...Tenn...NC..Ohio...VA...FLORIDA! Game over BHO!

[GalleryGod]

33. Going to the debate tonight in Boca? Local GOP mail you tickets?

:shrug: "Uniting" ? Course language...hyperbolic post.

















TROLL? :wtf:

[jefferson_dem]

37. Awww...

Poor wittle Bill...



Put your *concern* back in your pocket.

[izzybeans]

46. .

:rofl:

[babylonsister]

47. In your dreams. It's time for him to stand up for himself, and he is.

We're not all bozos on this bus, dear.

[Skwmom]

44. Clinton is exploiting race. His last tirade is to say to the white voters

"you know those blacks,always playing the race card." That's why he blamed the Obama campaign for playing the race card which anyone with an ounce of sense would know that a black candidate never would (and anyone following the campaign would know is LIE). And the disgusting jerk laughs while doing it (and this is from someone who stood up in front of a class and defended that despicable louse).

[flordehinojos]

49. when and where did bill clinton say, as you say he did, "you those blakcs, always playing the race

card." link please. and, tell me that obama isn't playing the race card. you know he is!