Zogby Poll: On Wednesday polling Edwards up to 27% in SC--moves into second place

[book_worm]

For the second day in a roll after Monday's debate John Edwards is posting dramatic gains in South Carolina according to Zogby tracking poll.

The results 1/20-22:
Obama: 43%
Clinton: 25%
Edwards: 15%

The newest results 1/21-23:
Obama: 39%
Clinton: 24%
Edwards: 19%

***But,according to Zogby, on polling on 1/23 (Wed) Edwards jumped to 27% and moved into second place ahead of Hillary.

With Hillary abandoning South Carolina and Edwards rallying could JE come in a solid second (or better) by Saturday?

Go Johnny Go!

www.zogby.com
(click on link on story)

[Renew Deal]

1. Hillary might have set herself up for catastrophe

We'll see.

[jasmine621]

3. Sorry, but it won't be a castrophe is HC loses SC nt

[book_worm]

4. not a catastrophe but a bit of a setback I would think

nobody was thinking that she might come in third. This would be her second third place showing of the race (IA and SC if it happens).

[avaistheone1]

6. Good point.

[Renew Deal]

5. It will be if she comes in third

[Alter Ego]

51. Exactly. It'll prove that she can bring in CA and NY and traditional

Dem states, but when it comes to making inroads into Repub territory she's still hilariously inept.

More proof that an Obama/Edwards coalition could easily take her down.

[Le Taz Hot]

59. She can bring in CA ONLY because

she's got Torres' backing and that is because her husband made inroads beginning in '92 and laid the groundwork FOR her. She's not "winning" anything here, she's enjoying a rigged system.

[krkaufman]

74. Yes, catastrophe might be a bit too strong... but it *would* be significant ...

... if she finishes 3rd in SC. (Though it all remains to be seen. Hell, she could still win.)

Zogby's comments in the polling report...

“Edwards, meanwhile, has had his second good day since the Monday night CNN debate, in which he delivered a strong performance. He hit 19% support on Tuesday alone and then 27% support on Wednesday alone. And, on Wednesday alone, he pulled ahead of Clinton overall. He has pulled ahead among whites. Could he pull ahead of Clinton and finish in second place? Even with a strong showing here, where does he go next to take advantage of the momentum?

“Clinton has slipped slightly, and is at a point where you could wonder what implications a third place showing here could have for her heading into the Super Tuesday primaries on Feb. 5. She has left the state to campaign elsewhere, leaving her husband behind to keep up appearances in South Carolina.

[Skwmom]

63. The Clintons want Johnny boy to move up so that he'll get more of the

anti-Hillary votes on Super Tuesday. The spin about Edwards dropping out hurting Obama is just that spin.

[burythehatchet]

65. You're right. No matter what the results it will good for Sen. Clinton

[Essene]

103. The Clintons are expecting to write-off SC as "a black thing" which will propel them to a win

That's the entire point of these smears and nasty politics.

1. race bait successful
2. Bill becomes lightning rod
3. use obama's win against him

[Triana]

2. Reuters cites same poll and says the same thing:

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN2418608720080124?pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=0

GO John Baby - GO!

[More Than A Feeling]

7. Momentum at last!

It's about damn time!

[book_worm]

8. he deserves it.

[melody]

9. Alright, John!!! Fantastic news n/t

[Hawkeye-X]

10. I'll guarant-damn-tee you this

Edwards will upset Obama in SC and takes the total delegates and use his BIG MO to force Clinton to drop out after failing to finish anything better than 3rd for the rest of her ride through Feb 5th, concedes her uselessness and releases her delegates, then 3/4 will go to Edwards, 1/4 will go to Obama, ensuring a Edwards and MAYBE Edwards/Clinton or Edwards/Obama unification ticket and a guara-damn-teed landslide over any Rethuglicans.

Both Democratic Congress and Democratic President can reverse many of the damages that the disaster has occurred. Filibuster will be useless, as there will be a true Democratic sweep throughout the US, ensuring the extinction of the current Rethuglican party.

And one other thing - neither Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid will retain their position for '09 - they'll elect someone more progressive-minded and help fix everything - Kucinich comes to mind, with -maybe- Diana DeGette as a majority whip. They will get things accomplished that we have dreamt about.

Feingold, Leahy and Reid goes to battle for the Majority seat - but the surprise winner will be...

Stay tuned next year, same bat time, same bat channel.

Hawkeye-X

[book_worm]

13. for the race he has run he deserves to win in SC

[Kucinich4America]

18. I like your scenario.... with a couple of revisions

Edwards takes the nomination. Definitely no Hillary on the ticket. Obama....maybe. But it might be better overall to go with a non-Senator in the VP slot. A governor would be a solid choice. Richardson? or (in a surprising twist) the good Doctor himself??


Now there's a solid ticket.

Kucinich for Speaker of the House, definitely.

And for Senate Majority Leader, Chris Dodd. He's earned a shot.

[Kahuna]

36. I'm an Obama supporter but also ABC. If "they" win, I don't think I

could force myself to vote for them. Why? I'm black. I'll be damned if I reward a Dem for running "southern strategy." I would encourage all blacks to sit this one out to send a message that it will not be tolerated.

[joshcryer]

44. You're part of the Obama people who "Clinton won't get."

Congrats, you are fed into the stereotype. And the country will be worse off for it.

[JackORoses]

69. I'm one of the Obama people Clinton won't get.

I am a white male Progressive Democrat. What does that do to your bigoted stereotype?

[Lochloosa]

47. "they"

I guess racism is still rampant in the US.

[DangerDave921]

90. "They"

I thought the "they" referred to the Clintons. Am I missing something?

[hiaasenrocks]

84. What an awful racist post. Disgusting.

[Essene]

104. No, your misunderstanding is sad & highlights the real disgrace

He's saying that blacks were exploited in this campaign by the Clintons.

They pushed race into this contest knowing it would work against Obama. Not only did they do it, but they then pretended Obama was "playing the race card" and have lied about his campaign. It's a huge risk on their part.

Why was it a risk?

Because they risked a massive backlash among black voters who know this kind of nonsense for what it is.

So, what's going to happen is that blacks are abandoning the Clintons IN DISGUST for being exploited (you call this "racism"). This will show itself in SC as expected, and the media will emphasize how it's "a black thing."

This will cause PEOPLE LIKE YOU to freak out.

People who think this is "racism" from blacks, when all they are doing is rejecting a candidate who uses race to divide, smear and cause fear. There will be a huge backlash among scared whites going into Feb 5th.

Black voter turn-out will drop down to almost nothing, having been alienated once again... by politics.

Many blacks will NOT vote for Clinton in Nov, even if that means not voting at all. When minorities get stomped on and exploited so openly and nobody cares, they often just tune out in depression and won't vote. That's sad, but that's what is going to happen when they see the Clintons getting away with it... and seeing folks like you attacking THEM for being "racist" just because they take offense.

They wont speak out PRECISELY because of people like you calling them racist.

Congrats.

You're part of the problem in america.



And... i am not an Obama supporter.

[joshcryer]

38. If this happens, I'm happy.

[ChiciB1]

87. Man I Love THIS Optimism... I REALLY Meant... I Do Honestly Believe

that Edwards HAS FINALLY been able to get attention and his message out and people are responding. I believe he is rising, but I don't believe polls too much. I so wish this to be true, and maybe it will!

This is THE MAN!!! White or Not, this WHITE FEMALE (a BOOMER) wants THIS WHITE MAN TO WIN!!

Go, Johnny, GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!

NGU!! So many here at DU SUPPORT you with a FERVENT LOYALTY!!

[pamela]

11. I love this quote from Zogby..."There's something happening here"

Pollster John Zogby:
“The Democratic race in South Carolina is reminding me now of the beginning of the old Buffalo Springfield song: “There’s something happening here/What it is ain’t exactly clear.”
-snip-

“Edwards, meanwhile, has had his second good day since the Monday night CNN debate, in which he delivered a strong performance. He hit 19% support on Tuesday alone and then 27% support on Wednesday alone. And, on Wednesday alone, he pulled ahead of Clinton overall."

[book_worm]

17. thanks for including that snippit from Zogby.

[bdamomma]

50. oh whew baby, John is coming up!!!!

are people waking up???

[ChiciB1]

88. I REMEMBER That Song! Great Analogy!! Many Of Us Commented On

this thing last night!! Go, Johnny, GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[jazzjunkysue]

92. I could really stand to look at that photo for the next 8 years.....

And those dimples! AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!1

[begin_within]

12. Finally people are coming to their senses!

[BluegrassDem]

14. If she comes in 3rd, she and Bill will get lambasted by the media

That'll be 2 contests where Hillary came in 3rd place. The bad part about S.C. is that the media will spin it as a defeat for BOTH Clintons.

Also, if JE came in 2nd, it would kill Hillary's spin that she only lost cause black people voted for a black guy. She would have no excuse to explain why JE beat her in the end.

[book_worm]

16. I think you're correct in that analysis.

[Konza]

26. Bwahaaa, yep. It'll be hard to spin and say all those votes

came from black voters supporting a fellow African-American: John Edwards.

Not saying someone won't say it, just saying it'd be a pretty hard sell ;)

[Kahuna]

34. Yep!!! And they won't be able to spin it as Obama won because he's black..

:applause:

Oops! On edit. They (billary) will say, "Obama is black and John is a native son...THAT'S why Hillary lost. :puke:

[krkaufman]

75. Don't underestimate the Clintons ability to spin a loss into a victory.

Just look how Hillary's narrow 3% edge in NH votes was somehow a major victory, even though she'd enjoyed double-digit leads in NH for more than a year.

[stickernation]

98. not to mention potential vote fraud

why would kucinich have had to bring that up ? it is because it might be true.

diebold might have elected the winner many moons ago.

[Nailzberg]

15. Good for him. He's campaigned hard and deserves it.

And a third place finish would definitely hurt the Hillmentum.

And with Obama expected to win, the media would have a great story with John Edwards pulling the upset over Hillary, and I'd like to see John get the press he deserves.

[andyrowe]

19. You go John.

I hope you get second.

[book_worm]

20. another interesting tidbit per Zogby--Clinton only gets 14% of younger voters

compared to 25% for Edwards and 42% for Obama. In this campaign she has not shown that she can reach younger voters to motivate them to turn out.

[Blue State Bandit]

23. From another perspective...

maybe she is turning out younger voters;

unfortunately, there just going to the other two candidates.

[joshcryer]

43. Hillary's voters are mostly women. But who are the undecideds?

[Blue State Bandit]

21. A tip 'o the hat to John!

From a Omama backer.

:toast:

And a Recomended chaser!

[book_worm]

22. tomorrow (Fridays) Zogby poll will be interesting

if Edward's momentum has continued he could be second overall.

[2hip]

24. 19% to 27% overnight

Was this a Letterman bump? Can he edge up another 8% between now and Saturday? If so, Obama's lead may be in jeopardy. Will Edwards FINALLY get some decent media attention if he comes in 1st? The thick plottens.




              Edwards '08 tees!

[book_worm]

25. Letterman may be a factor but I think the biggest factor is his debate performance

people have had a couple of days to digest it and I think they liked what they saw compared to the other two fighting.

[Hart2008]

27. mudslinging doesn't always work in a multi-way race. People want a positve message.

In a two way race, going negative frequently works.

In a multiway race it can backfire, and that appears to be the case here.

The proof here is in the pudding, which will be the S.C. primary results.

[bdamomma]

53. that debate on Monday showed people that Edwards

is focused on the issues, and that's what people want to hear, not all this bickering back and forth with Obama and the Clintons (plural). Edwards will come up from behind, hopefully more people will wake up. Hasn't this country been through enough BS?

[0007]

28. Groovy!

[MrSlayer]

29. It would be great if Edwards could pull a strong second.

I just suspect that the story would be about Hillary's loss and Obama's win and Edwards would be a sidenote.

[Kahuna]

35. I think so. Boy would Billary have egg on their faces. nt

:bounce:

[Skwmom]

64. Billary wants to build up Edwards. It will split the anti-Hillary vote.

[adabfree]

30. GREAT

I would love to see Hillary come in 3rd...it would be
beautiful...

GO EDWARDS

[jackson_dem]

31. Edwards now leads among whites and went from 0% to 5% with black voters overnight

His message of change is resonating since the debate! :bounce:

[Kahuna]

32. Tsk tsk tsk..

:applause:

[Inspired]

33. The polls have been wrong but please let this be true.

Edwards deserves some good news.

[joshcryer]

37. "there are a lot of undecideds for this late stage in the contest"

Does this remind anyone of another state where someone made a huge win that shocked everyone?

[Perry Logan]

39. Another upset win for Hillary comin'. Break out the barf bags.

[joshcryer]

41. If she wins DU will explode. Those "lots of undecideds" are interesting, though.

[gorekerrydreamticket]

71. Yep, she still has time to cry before Saturday....n/m

[Clark2008]

40. Why are Edwards folks excited about his coming in second in SC?

I think it speaks volumes that he's not coming in head and shoulders above ALL the candidates, considering he was born there and was senator next door.

Maybe they know something you should know about him (I know it, which is why I don't support him).

[joshcryer]

42. He closed 8%, if he does it again tomorrow, and again on election day...

...then he's in contention!

[robbedvoter]

45. I know - like Rudy gloating about a # 2 in NY! But with GOP-ers voting in dem

primaries - any outcome is possible. And I mean "any" - because Zogby (nor others) didn't factor in how many women might show up - they have women in SC too!
hence my prediction: SC is open!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4180669&mesg_id=4180669

[joshcryer]

46. I don't think you or the other poster get it. The trend isn't 2nd place, it's a potential *win*.

[saltpoint]

56. You're pure as the driven snow, Clark2008. Smart, too. Anyone who targets

and slams Dems on these boards with the consistency that you target and slam them must be virtually perfect.

[JNelson6563]

60. Succinctly put

:-)

[stickernation]

99. c'mon out with it !

spill the beans clark2008 !

[Unsane]

48. WOW

[bdamomma]

49. maybe with all this stupid bickering between Clinton and Obama

Edwards could sneak in, all this in fighting between Obama and Clinton is doing alot of damage to the Democratic Party, and it will be used by the repigs against us.

[bigtree]

52. I am really surprised. I thought there would be movement, but not this dramatic

we need to frickin pour it on. Donations, phone bank help . . .

[pdxmom]

54. Since the debate, I've seen Edwards everywhere in the national media. He's

been on Letterman, KO, CNN, etc., with live interviews. Clinton and Obama, from what I've seen, are sending their representatives to speak for them. Edwards is smart to go out there and do these interviews himself. He's finally getting some media attention and putting his own face on it, instead of relying on his representatives to make the case for him.

[saltpoint]

55. Zogby -- bless his erratic heart -- is like a bohemian lover who

appears in the garden some nights with pinot noir and blood roses but on other nights is nowhere to be found far downriver boozing it up with the rabble.

One never knows what to expect next from the man.

But if he has this one right, this voter would be very encouraged.

[iris5426]

91. LOL - This voter would be very encouraged as well...love the imagery!

:rofl:

[saltpoint]

95. Hiya, iris5426! I'm hoping for a good turnout of Democrats, a strong

finish for Senator Edwards, and a tighter, more issues-driven race after Tuesday night.

Good to see you on DU!

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

57. If Edwards wins South Carolina AND turns water into wine...

CNN will lead with a story about a cat stuck in a tree.

[saltpoint]

58. ...yes, a cat stuck in a tree, and Bill Frist circling the trunk, eyes blinking

wildly...

[book_worm]

66. you are probably correct!

[krkaufman]

76. chuckle. I think you've a good grasp on how it's working. n/t

[bigtree]

61. kick

[balantz]

62. Most excellent news!

[BlackVelvet04]

67. I think the best way we can help

John Edwards is to keep emailing the media. Demand attention for Edwards and then thank the networks when he gets it.

Edwards is up against two rock star candidates with deep pockets and his power is in his message and his followers.

[suston96]

68. Good idea? Keep SC demographics in mind.....

Total registered voters in SC: 2,246,242

Total voted in Repub primary: 442,789

That leaves: 1,803,453

Of that # non-white voters: 629,000


That leaves total white voters 1,174,353.......(Hispanic: 151,247)

Non-white voters in SC have shown up by some 20% more than white voters.

The demographics in the exit polling on Saturday will tell all about how the two groups voted.

http://www.state.sc.us/cgi-bin/scsec/96vr?countykey=ALL&D1=RACE

[suston96]

70. Here is that link as Zogby tries to cover his omnidirectional butt....

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1433

Interesting read....."...something is happening..." says Zogby. LOL.

[lisainmilo]

72. Nice!

:)

[krkaufman]

73. Yeah, but don't get your hopes up that it will matter.

I'm sure the media will ignore it, just as they did in Iowa.

[Medusa]

77. i think Hillary will come in third

and boy is it going to be fun watching the spin cycle in motion when she does.

[suston96]

82. Uh, she came in third in Iowa - how far behind Edwards?

And how come she got one more delegate than Edwards in Iowa?

Remember - it's the delegates !

[AtomicKitten]

78. IMO it is realizing she's looking at another 3rd place finish that has them in a tizzy.

Edwards is slowly but surely nudging his way into second!

[CorpGovActivist]

79. KNPnta

[Edgewater_Joe]

80. Obama/Edwards, Edwards/Obama ...

... they both work for me!

[book_worm]

81. I think that either would be a strong ticket.

[Drunken Irishman]

83. GO EDWARDS AND GO OBAMA!

[librarycard]

85. I voted for Edwards and gave money

I'd like nothing better than to have a tight three way race (wish it were four-way) with intelligent people, the best way to blow the "throwbacks to the 17th C" rethug candidates off the ballot.

[book_worm]

86. me too! I mean gave money (haven't had pleasure to vote since I'm in WI)

[librarycard]

89. I'm CA, absentee

I'd like to see Edwards do well in SC and then start cashing in w/the big states.

[book_worm]

93. I'll support him in the WI primary.

[liberalla]

94. ...and then start cashing in w/the big states

Yes - I hope this is just the beginning!

Onwards, Upwards, Edwards. 2008

[Maat]

97. Love you "bumpersticker."

It's the truth.

Dennis K. was my #1 choice, and John E. was my second. John just moved up to No. 1.

[stickernation]

100. mind if i print some of these on stickers ?

that is an awesome slogan !!!!!

-s

[liberalla]

102. Sure!

I don't 'own' it. I saw something similar to it, and liked it.

[allisonthegreat]

101. This I knw..They are running a real strong Phone campaign here

I hear from them every other day...

[Infinite Hope]

96. I predicted there was a strong chance of this happening. If Hillary takes 3rd, it's bad. n/t