OK Guess what I heard on RW talk radio today RE GE 2k4

[xultar]

I hear moderate wingnuts breathing fire about GWB. They don't like the fact that he is considering a DOMA, nor do they like how far the FCC is taking the whole Decency thing.

But, when the wingnut host said what are you going to do about it in the Election. They said nothing because they don't see an alternative in the Democratic Candidates we have up for President.

Wesley Clark would have pulled these guys in at least to vote. Now I feel like we lost the best guy who could have pulled the swing vote.

How do you feel?

[slinkerwink]

1. I feel the same way too about Dean....

[vi5]

2. No offense to either one of you.....

But what possible evidence could their be that Clark or Dean would win guys like that over?

I'm not saying Kerry will or Edwards will. My point is guys like the original post described will b*tch and moan all day long about the repub in office but in the end they are not going to vote for a dem.

This whole notion that Kerry or Edwards WON'T be able to pull those guys but Clark or Dean WOULD is just sill to me. There's no evidence anywhere to back that up.

[lancdem]

4. Is there such a thing as a moderate wingnut?

These don't sound like people who would ever vote for a Dem, period. Our best hope is that they stay home in November.

[vi5]

6. Exactly....

None of our guys stood or stand a chance of winning those guys over. To play monday morning quarterback over people who are clearly never going to vote for a dem is wasted time spent.

[Capn Sunshine]

14. In my case, a lot of republicans, greens and registered independents

all of whom we re-registered as dems to vote in the primary.Thousands in CA alone.
Same with Clarks people.
Now, those folks have gone back to the wilderness of "no candidate moves me" and won't be voting in the general.

What kind of evidence were you looking for?

[vi5]

18. Just something more than anecdotal.....

...Personally almost everyone I know are independents or republicans. Most of my friends and family aren't even dems. And not one of them were moved by Clark or Dean. In fact Dean really scared them. And they all like Kerry.

I fully realize that this is however, anecdotal evidence. Just my personal experience. It really doesn't serve as proof that nationwide any one of the candidates would be more equipped than others to go up against bush.

[ewagner]

Being a Clark supporter

I would tend to agree, but there are still 8 months to go before the GE and I would hope that our nominee would distinguish/differentiate himself from bush* in a big way!

I'm disappointed that Clark won't be our nominee but I agree wholeheartedly with the General that we've got to do everything we can to support our nominee to rid the country of this radical right wing regime.

[AntiCoup2K4]

3. How do I feel?

I feel that a Dean/Clark third party run could pull enough votes from the left, right, and center to bury both corporatist parties.

That's how I feel. Unfortunately, the Doctor & the General don't appear to feel that way, so instead we'll end up with TweedlePNACdee or TweedlePNACdumbass. :(

[BL_Zebub]

9. A Most Unholy analysis of the situation, AC2K!

the Devil couldn't agree more :evilgrin:

[WilliamPitt]

5. In Wisconsin

a lot of Republicans and Independents voted for Edwards, either because they liked him or to skew the results. If they liked him, it stands to reason that Clark wasn't the only guy who could pull in GOP voters.

[hughee99]

7. I don't Clark would have brought them in.

I think many of them vote republican, for the same reason Kerry has gained so much support. Not because they agree with him on most of the issues, but because they think their canidate has the best chance to win. I don't think the country will turn around until people start to actually vote for the guy they agree with the most, not the person who they dislike the least, but think can win.

DK in '04!!!!!

[newyawker99]

20. Hi hughee99!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[angryinoville]

8. If Clark were on the ticket...

with Kerry, do you think it would make a difference?

[xultar]

10. I don't think so, when you vote you are voting for the President,

the Veep isn't on the ballot. How different things would be if the Veep were on the ballot.

hummmm......

[stldemocrat]

11. Military Record

I think that once people get to know Kerry's military record, all will be well.

:headbang:

[R3dD0g]

12. I don't believe there was any way that Dean or Clark

would ever win those folks to the Dem ticket.

They might be unhappy with some of * policies, but they're not unhappy enough to commit the heresy of voting Dem.

Those folks have been conditioned for 30 years that Dems are just another word for communists, and they still haven't recognized that the cold war is over and we won - look at the support for Star Wars.

[mikehiggins]

15. Ah! But don't forget Clark is a Republican!

Seriously, if there was anyone in the Democratic field that a GOPer could vote for without holding his nose it was Clark. Do you want statistics? Can't give 'em to ya.

Same with the independents.

Just know how many people I knew from my sordid past that were interested in Clark's candidacy. (Hint: they weren't/aren't dems)

[R3dD0g]

13. The best we can hope for from those folks

is that they stay away from the polls until they die.

[John_H]

16. Yet another reason why Dems should demand a vote on DOMA now!

[Bake]

17. The wingnuts are not going to decide the election

It will be the "undecideds" in the middle. I believe we have a good chance of getting those votes - with EITHER Kerry or Edwards - simply because Smirk has been SOOOOOOOO extreme right. I don't think average people are angry about gay marriage, or Janet Jackson's boob, or any of the culture wars that the wingnuts are trying to provoke. I think they ARE upset that Smirk lied us into a war. I think they ARE upset about jobs lost--maybe theirs! I think they ARE upset about the crass corporate cronyism, of which Halliburton/Cheney is the poster case.

I feel very good about our chances.

Bake

[in_cog_ni_to]

19. I agree.

Wes Clark was, without a doubt, our best hope for swing voters...being a Republican and all.....:eyes: